Don’t Kid Yourself, We’re All Subsidizing The Abortion Industry

[koshergrl]

However, failing to pay for something is not the same as preventing someone else from paying for it.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Come on now. I'm not raging against abortions, but be truthful. Most are done simply because someone couldn't be bothered to take birth control.

Could the "someone" be a member of either sex or are you strictly speaking of women?

If Texas, North Carolina, Kansas and a few other states have their way, women won't even be able to GET birth control much less take it, thanks to the stupid, illiterate and unforgiving ignorance of the far right.

Please provide verification that those states seek to prevent women from obtaining birth control.

Pssst...choosing not to pay for it, and actually PREVENTING them from getting it are two different things.

Look it up yourself, I have already posted about these states creating artificial and unnecessary "surgical standards" so abortion clinics will have to close. Pssst.....These clinics provided birth control, not just abortions.

And you're paying for these whether you like it or not, and as Lud said, since Roe v. Wade.

So your choices are to continue on or put up the tax money now to raise unwanted children to the age of 18.

Those aren't REALLY the only two options. They are merely the only two options YOU want to consider.

List the other options then, for a couple or a single woman who cannot afford to be a parent.
She/they will have to go on welfare in order to support the child if:
a) Family or friends won't pay
2) Robbing banks is not an option

It comes down to money, genius. And someone has to cough it up.

LOL are you serious here?

Let's see,what options are there besides abortion for a woman who can't afford to get pregnant?

Option 1. Use birth control
Option 2. DON'T HAVE SEX

I can't believe you even said that.

 

[koshergrl]

It's the organic disconnect that statists have.

They don't understand the difference between being FORCED to do something, and just being exposed to differing opinions...

And they don't understand the difference between being PREVENTED from having something, and just not being given it.

 

[koshergrl]

They think if you won't give them something, then you're preventing them from having that thing ever.

 

[Iceweasel]

The only good news is that liberals disproportionately abort their offspring.

 

[koshergrl]

Well, the positive of that is destroyed by the fact that they also pay their more poor voters to get pregnant and then abort as many times as they possibly can in one lifetime...so we still don't see a reduction in the moron class. Any time you pay for voters, your power is limitless, if you're functioning in a republic such as ours.

 

[Valerie]

speaking of not kidding yourself...




WHO HAS ABORTIONS?

• Eighteen percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are teenagers; those aged 15–17 obtain 6% of all abortions, 18–19-year-olds obtain 11%, and teens younger than 15 obtain 0.4%.[3]

• Women in their 20s account for more than half of all abortions: Women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and women aged 25–29 obtain 24%.[3]

• Non-Hispanic white women account for 36% of abortions, non-Hispanic black women for 30%, Hispanic women for 25% and women of other races for 9%.[3]

• Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% identify as Catholic.[3]

• Women who have never married and are not cohabiting account for 45% of all abortions. [3]

• About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children. [3]

• Forty-two percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level ($10,830 for a single woman with no children).[3]

• Twenty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes between 100–199% of the federal poverty level. * [3]

• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[6]

• Fifty-one percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method in the month they got pregnant, most commonly condoms (27%) or a hormonal method (17%).[7]


Induced Abortion in the United States

 

[Valerie]

personal privacy from government intrusion is supposed to be a conservative ideal...

if only the fundamentalist finger waggers could stop with the self righteous emotionalism already...




In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Harry Blackmun (who was chosen because of his prior experience as counsel to the Mayo Clinic), the Court ruled that the Texas statute violated Jane Roe's constitutional right to privacy. The Court argued that the Constitution's First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's "zone of privacy" against state laws...

The Supreme Court . Expanding Civil Rights . Landmark Cases . Roe v. Wade 1973 PBS

 

[Iceweasel]

personal privacy from government intrusion is supposed to be a conservative ideal...

if only the fundamentalist finger waggers could stop with the self righteous emotionalism already...[/QUOTE]Liberals are incapable of understanding such complex matters. Conservatives oppose any public funding of it and want some restrictions, like waiting periods and education, since many are too dumbed down to realize the baby has arms, legs, ears, etc. Some want it outlawed totally but those are the vast minority and it does involve another human life, not just the mother. I know you can't grasp all that but it's why you believe what you do.

 

[Dana7360]

personal privacy from government intrusion is supposed to be a conservative ideal...

if only the fundamentalist finger waggers could stop with the self righteous emotionalism already...[/QUOTE]Liberals are incapable of understanding such complex matters. Conservatives oppose any public funding of it and want some restrictions, like waiting periods and education, since many are too dumbed down to realize the baby has arms, legs, ears, etc. Some want it outlawed totally but those are the vast minority and it does involve another human life, not just the mother. I know you can't grasp all that but it's why you believe what you do.

Please tell all of us what life exists in an ectopic pregnancy.

 

[boedicca]

personal privacy from government intrusion is supposed to be a conservative ideal...

if only the fundamentalist finger waggers could stop with the self righteous emotionalism already...




In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Harry Blackmun (who was chosen because of his prior experience as counsel to the Mayo Clinic), the Court ruled that the Texas statute violated Jane Roe's constitutional right to privacy. The Court argued that the Constitution's First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's "zone of privacy" against state laws...

The Supreme Court . Expanding Civil Rights . Landmark Cases . Roe v. Wade 1973 PBS

Here's the problem: when the government pays for it, Private Lives become Public Policy.

I'd prefer to see the government stay Out of Our Wallets as wells Our Bedrooms and Doctors' Offices & Hopspitals.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

personal privacy from government intrusion is supposed to be a conservative ideal...

if only the fundamentalist finger waggers could stop with the self righteous emotionalism already...




In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Harry Blackmun (who was chosen because of his prior experience as counsel to the Mayo Clinic), the Court ruled that the Texas statute violated Jane Roe's constitutional right to privacy. The Court argued that the Constitution's First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's "zone of privacy" against state laws...

The Supreme Court . Expanding Civil Rights . Landmark Cases . Roe v. Wade 1973 PBS

It's not personal when someone else is paying for it.

 

[Valerie]

personal privacy from government intrusion is supposed to be a conservative ideal...

if only the fundamentalist finger waggers could stop with the self righteous emotionalism already...




In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Harry Blackmun (who was chosen because of his prior experience as counsel to the Mayo Clinic), the Court ruled that the Texas statute violated Jane Roe's constitutional right to privacy. The Court argued that the Constitution's First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's "zone of privacy" against state laws...

The Supreme Court . Expanding Civil Rights . Landmark Cases . Roe v. Wade 1973 PBS

Here's the problem: when the government pays for it, Private Lives become Public Policy.

I'd prefer to see the government stay Out of Our Wallets as wells Our Bedrooms and Doctors' Offices & Hopspitals.

looks like yogi wants to be your fwiend.





given that health insurance is currently available to citizens under those circumstances, my point is that coverage standards of private medical procedures ought to be based on standard medical protocols and not public opinion of private choices.

for slippery slope example, why do we have to 'pay for' people who drink too much or smoke too much or eat too much or who don't vaccinate or etcetera etcetera etcetera

 

[Plasmaball]

hey an allie abortion thread. We are about due for the nazi comments.

 

[jasonnfree]

personal privacy from government intrusion is supposed to be a conservative ideal...

if only the fundamentalist finger waggers could stop with the self righteous emotionalism already...




In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Harry Blackmun (who was chosen because of his prior experience as counsel to the Mayo Clinic), the Court ruled that the Texas statute violated Jane Roe's constitutional right to privacy. The Court argued that the Constitution's First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's "zone of privacy" against state laws...

The Supreme Court . Expanding Civil Rights . Landmark Cases . Roe v. Wade 1973 PBS

Here's the problem: when the government pays for it, Private Lives become Public Policy.

I'd prefer to see the government stay Out of Our Wallets as wells Our Bedrooms and Doctors' Offices & Hopspitals.

With you republicans, it's never about the child or fetus, it's what it may cost you. Money is the god republicans worship.

 

[Dana7360]

personal privacy from government intrusion is supposed to be a conservative ideal...

if only the fundamentalist finger waggers could stop with the self righteous emotionalism already...




In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Harry Blackmun (who was chosen because of his prior experience as counsel to the Mayo Clinic), the Court ruled that the Texas statute violated Jane Roe's constitutional right to privacy. The Court argued that the Constitution's First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's "zone of privacy" against state laws...

The Supreme Court . Expanding Civil Rights . Landmark Cases . Roe v. Wade 1973 PBS

It's not personal when someone else is paying for it.

So then no medical procedure is personal? Someone else is paying for all medical procedures when insurance, medicaid or medicare is involved.

However, we have laws guaranteeing medical privacy. There's no exceptions to the laws. Plus we have a constitution that guarantees everyone privacy. There are no exceptions. In fact the supreme court ruled just that in Roe V. Wade.

So you're incorrect. It's personal information and no one but the doctor and the patient has any right to know about it. No matter who is paying for it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The whole "we need abortion because otherwise there will be more unwanted children" doesn't fly, it never has. There are more children burdening the system now than there EVER were before abortion became legal.

Then what's you plan to end the practice that conforms with privacy rights jurisprudence.


In addition to being un-Constitutional, 'banning' abortion is no 'solution', it's naïve and inane to believe otherwise.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The social right is keen on propagating their lies and myths such as 'the abortion industry' and similar nonsense, with no intent of seeking to actually end the problem, engaging in only pointless demagoguery and hyperbole.

 

[Bush92]

Just another lie from liberals about Obamacare. Guess we should of read the bill.

 

[JoeB131]

The whole "we need abortion because otherwise there will be more unwanted children" doesn't fly, it never has. There are more children burdening the system now than there EVER were before abortion became legal.

No one is really making that argument.

There's only one argument.

Her body. Her Choice. Period.