Don't get sick, and if you do, die quickly...

Emma, Medicare is something like 74 trillion dollars in debt at this point. The public option healthcare will be far worse...even though we don't have a perfect healthcare system, we just can't afford to sustain this kind of debt. It WILL ruin our economy.
No, it's not.

The primary reason why Medicare runs in the red is the majority of those covered by medicare subsidized by payroll taxes aren't paying premiums. Only $2.9 billion of its income of nearly $231 billion comes from its client base --- which are statistically the sickest demographic.

Trustees Report Summary

Excuse the fuck out of me. But I paid into Medicare/Social Security my entire adult life, and when i was forced to go on medicare (That happens when you become disabled) I am still paying about $200 a month in premiums. Now understand that I am retired from the US Army And when I was a young dumb private i was promised free health and dental coverage for life if i only served 20 years. Well I did 22 years and where is that coverage? Sure as hell isn't Medicare.

No, you are on tricare, not medicare....by the way, I did 20 years myself.
 
Emma, Medicare is something like 74 trillion dollars in debt at this point. The public option healthcare will be far worse...even though we don't have a perfect healthcare system, we just can't afford to sustain this kind of debt. It WILL ruin our economy.
No, it's not.

The primary reason why Medicare runs in the red is the majority of those covered by medicare subsidized by payroll taxes aren't paying premiums. Only $2.9 billion of its income of nearly $231 billion comes from its client base --- which are statistically the sickest demographic.

Trustees Report Summary

Excuse the fuck out of me. But I paid into Medicare/Social Security my entire adult life, and when i was forced to go on medicare (That happens when you become disabled) I am still paying about $200 a month in premiums. Now understand that I am retired from the US Army And when I was a young dumb private i was promised free health and dental coverage for life if i only served 20 years. Well I did 22 years and where is that coverage? Sure as hell isn't Medicare.

Medicare premiums and coinsurance rates for 2009

I'm not sure what your point is here; I never said no one pays premiums, but the fact remains only $2.9 billion of part A (HI) income of nearly $231 billion comes from premiums collected from Medicare recipients.
 
Emma, Medicare is something like 74 trillion dollars in debt at this point. The public option healthcare will be far worse...even though we don't have a perfect healthcare system, we just can't afford to sustain this kind of debt. It WILL ruin our economy.
No, it's not.

The primary reason why Medicare runs in the red is the majority of those covered by medicare subsidized by payroll taxes aren't paying premiums. Only $2.9 billion of its income of nearly $231 billion comes from its client base --- which are statistically the sickest demographic.

Trustees Report Summary

Excuse the fuck out of me. But I paid into Medicare/Social Security my entire adult life, and when i was forced to go on medicare (That happens when you become disabled) I am still paying about $200 a month in premiums. Now understand that I am retired from the US Army And when I was a young dumb private i was promised free health and dental coverage for life if i only served 20 years. Well I did 22 years and where is that coverage? Sure as hell isn't Medicare.

This is precisely the reason that the Democratic Congress and Senate passed the New GI Bill, and President Obama signed it into law. Bush stated that it was not neccessary and that he would veto it if it landed on his desk.
 
Perhaps, a safety net from the government for those that are uninsurable?

Like, maybe, a public option?
For only those that are uninsurable, Old Rocks....and they pay for it....not me. It would not equate to public option in the sense that your talking.

They pay for it? Imagine that woman in the news report seeking that insurance. How much should she pay for it? We know she will cost 250k. Should we charge her for the 250k?
 
Yes, it's easy to buy insurance when you have cancer.

Perhaps, a safety net from the government for those that are uninsurable?

Like, maybe, a public option?

Oh you mean socialized single payer healthcare?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk]YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance[/ame]

or did you mean the public option that those implimenting want so they can create a socialized universal health care system like those in europe?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndStT6c93rc]YouTube - Proof Positive the Public Option Will Lead to Single Payer[/ame]

???
 
Like, maybe, a public option?
For only those that are uninsurable, Old Rocks....and they pay for it....not me. It would not equate to public option in the sense that your talking.

They pay for it? Imagine that woman in the news report seeking that insurance. How much should she pay for it? We know she will cost 250k. Should we charge her for the 250k?

Let me be a bit more clear for you. She buys the insurance through the government, along with all the other unisurables. What I'm trying to say is that there are a lot of people that can buy insurance and don't...Like Chris on this board. Let them buy their own insurance without a government option.
 
Excuse the fuck out of me. But I paid into Medicare/Social Security my entire adult life, and when i was forced to go on medicare (That happens when you become disabled) I am still paying about $200 a month in premiums. Now understand that I am retired from the US Army And when I was a young dumb private i was promised free health and dental coverage for life if i only served 20 years. Well I did 22 years and where is that coverage? Sure as hell isn't Medicare.
This is precisely why we cannot trust the federal government to run "medical insurance"
As soon as they decide the cost is politically unsustainable they will change the rules.
The people dependent on them will suffer.
Our current malaise; paying twice what other countries do is partly the fault of our half and half system. Half free market, half socialist.
Go back 50 years to a time when it was almost pure free market. It worked far better then, better even than the current socialist systems in other major countries.
Put the issue down at the state level and let the local voters decide how much socialism they want. Of course the socialist states may find that, Like New York, they have an exodus of workers fleeing for states with lower taxes, but such is the price of socialism; working people don't really care for the costs, and given any realistic option leave the socialists who don't like working to their own devices.
 
Excuse the fuck out of me. But I paid into Medicare/Social Security my entire adult life, and when i was forced to go on medicare (That happens when you become disabled) I am still paying about $200 a month in premiums. Now understand that I am retired from the US Army And when I was a young dumb private i was promised free health and dental coverage for life if i only served 20 years. Well I did 22 years and where is that coverage? Sure as hell isn't Medicare.
This is precisely why we cannot trust the federal government to run "medical insurance"
As soon as they decide the cost is politically unsustainable they will change the rules.
The people dependent on them will suffer.
Our current malaise; paying twice what other countries do is partly the fault of our half and half system. Half free market, half socialist.
Go back 50 years to a time when it was almost pure free market. It worked far better then, better even than the current socialist systems in other major countries.
Put the issue down at the state level and let the local voters decide how much socialism they want. Of course the socialist states may find that, Like New York, they have an exodus of workers fleeing for states with lower taxes, but such is the price of socialism; working people don't really care for the costs, and given any realistic option leave the socialists who don't like working to their own devices.

Well said!

Regarding those over-priced socialist states, the beauty of the free market system is that if people start leaving the state because the taxes are too high, then the state has to sell itself and either lower taxes or find a way to make the people want to live there. That is a bit simplistic, but it is generally, how things work.

Immie
 
Almost all the federal laws and programs should be a state level thing, with a few exceptions due to relocation of the beneficiaries (Medicare, Social Security, Vet benefits, etc.).
 
For only those that are uninsurable, Old Rocks....and they pay for it....not me. It would not equate to public option in the sense that your talking.

They pay for it? Imagine that woman in the news report seeking that insurance. How much should she pay for it? We know she will cost 250k. Should we charge her for the 250k?

Let me be a bit more clear for you. She buys the insurance through the government, along with all the other unisurables. What I'm trying to say is that there are a lot of people that can buy insurance and don't...Like Chris on this board. Let them buy their own insurance without a government option.

Hopefully there will be a mandate to have insurance and Chris won't have a choice :).
 

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