Don't forget the liberals created the USA

[grunt11b]

No sorry, the FRENCH REVOLUTION was a liberal/leftist/marxist Revolution.

The Founding Fathers were definitely conservatives.

My evidence? The Constitution and who sides with following it, vs. who wants to do away with the Constitution.

Oh no it was definantly liberal to allow the Slaves to be counted as 3/5ths of a person.

Liberal enough to allow future modifications to the Constitution as the country saw fit.

The Original Constitution was indeed flawed as evidence by the numerous changes we've made in the form of amendments.

Just learned last night that originally, the State were not bound to abide by the Bill of Rights. That flaw was corrected. Many other were too.

I don't believe you understand liberalism, nor slavery.

The constitution is STILL flawed and Amendments XI-XXVII are all flawed.

If they believe it is flawed then they need to change it under the amendment process like the law says they have to do, instead of judicial activist judges just making up their own laws instead. The founders knew it was not a perfect document, that is why they added the amendment process in it so that future generations could tweak it.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Really?
When have you ever seen the tea party protesters tear up and destroy public property. They clean up the areas where they have protested.
It is the left who destroy public property and leave trash everywhere. And are the ones getting arrested for being violent.

Yes really.

What does the Tea Party have to do the definition of liberals and/or liberalism?

You simply cannot take the actions of a few disgruntled (anarchists ) and blame every liberal for their individual act of vandalism or crime.

The definition you posted is propaganda.

I am talking about conservative protesters being peaceful and cleaning up after the protest.
The left protesters are always getting arrested and leaving trash all over the place.
It is not propaganda it is the truth.
It is the left who put up propaganda and won't check out the actual sources.

It cost Wisconsin taxpayers like 8 million bucks to clean up after those nuts who squatted in the Madison capitol building... They wrote propaganda on the floor tiles, walls, the statues outside of the capitol building, the streets...

They're disgusting pigs that do nothing but consume and destroy...

 

[Mr.Nick]

I don't believe you understand liberalism, nor slavery.

The constitution is STILL flawed and Amendments XI-XXVII are all flawed.

If they believe it is flawed then they need to change it under the amendment process like the law says they have to do, instead of judicial activist judges just making up their own laws instead. The founders knew it was not a perfect document, that is why they added the amendment process in it so that future generations could tweak it.

Correct, however the reason behind most of our Amendments after the Bill of Rights is because state constitutions were flawed.

Remember we do have a Tenth Amendment...

 

[Mr.Nick]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think Mr. Nick might have anger issues?

I have issues with tyrants..

BTW, I love it... How mature of you..

"get a clue fuckstick! I'm lampooning your retarded kkk thread you moron."

I would expect nothing less from a libfuck..

 

[JBeukema]

Conservatism is dead.

No, the KKK is still around

 

[JBeukema]

Don't forget the liberals created the USA
Not today's Liberals. The Founders had spines and morals and they took responsibility for their actions.

Also, slaves.

 

[grunt11b]

Conservatism is dead.

No, the KKK is still around

You're right, and most of them have relatives in the Democrat party..."Al Gore.......the late robert Byrd......". Remember, it was southern democrats who founded the KKK.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

They were classical liberals.

Modern liberals have nothing to do with classical liberalism.

modern liberals are statist

 

[JBeukema]

Definition of a liberal;

An adherent of Liberalism.

Oh wait, you're retarded.

A liberal (also leftist)

By today's standards, Liberalism is arguably center-right. You are correct, however, in that it was rather left of the dominant views in the 1700s.

is someone who rejects logical and biblical standards

Biblical, yes. For instance, they spat on the bible and God's law and embraced the concept of Consent of the Governed.

, often for self-centered reasons

Like running a plantation...

Liberalism has changed over the years

No, it hasn't. Retards like you just became less literate.

and degenerated into corruption. For example, FDR, one of the few great democratic Presidents, firmly believed in private sector unions

Then he's a bit left of most forms of Liberalism, don't ya think?

liberals are often the most intolerant of people, and frequently are on the side of disorder, chaos, anarchy, and lawbreaking.

Chaos and anarchy?

You seem to be thinking of libertarians.

Our Founding Father's were not libeal.

The guys practically masturbated to the writings of Locke

They were Liberals by definition: adherents of Liberalism

 

[JBeukema]

it was southern democrats who founded the KKK.

And the Know Nothings were integrated into the GOP.

What's your point?

 

[JBeukema]

Liberal (noun) =/= liberal (adj)

 

[JBeukema]

They weren't totally liberal. After all, many of them owned slaves.

They were bourgeois liberals

 

[grunt11b]

it was southern democrats who founded the KKK.

And the Know Nothings were integrated into the GOP.

What's your point?

Nice side step, but you are wrong, and think we both know that you are.

 

[Dot Com]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think Mr. Nick might have anger issues?

Yeah nicky. What say you?

 

[JBeukema]

No sorry, the FRENCH REVOLUTION was a liberal/leftist/marxist Revolution.

The Founding Fathers were definitely conservatives.

My evidence? The Constitution and who sides with following it, vs. who wants to do away with the Constitution.

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Karl Marx wasn't even born yet...

You may be confusing the French Revolution with Lenins October Revolution/Russian/ Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. Now that certainly WAS inspired by Karl Marx.

Marx didn't recognize the Bolsheviks or many of the others who took his name.

That is what he meant when he said that one of the few things he knew was that he was not a Marxist.

It's like those who hold up the bible while preaching their own philosophies and pursuing their own ends. 'I never knew you'...

 

[JBeukema]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

They were classical liberals.

Modern liberals have nothing to do with classical liberalism.

modern liberals are statist

That's like saying 'Modern snails are birds'

 

[manifold]

They were classical liberals.

Modern liberals have nothing to do with classical liberalism.

modern liberals are statist

That's like saying 'Modern snails are birds'

 

[Mr.Nick]

Definition of a liberal;

An adherent of Liberalism.

Oh wait, you're retarded.

A liberal (also leftist)

By today's standards, Liberalism is arguably center-right. You are correct, however, in that it was rather left of the dominant views in the 1700s.

Biblical, yes. For instance, they spat on the bible and God's law and embraced the concept of Consent of the Governed.


Like running a plantation...



No, it hasn't. Retards like you just became less literate.

Then he's a bit left of most forms of Liberalism, don't ya think?

liberals are often the most intolerant of people, and frequently are on the side of disorder, chaos, anarchy, and lawbreaking.

Chaos and anarchy?

You seem to be thinking of libertarians.

Our Founding Father's were not libeal.

The guys practically masturbated to the writings of Locke

They were Liberals by definition: adherents of Liberalism

You don't know shit about liberalism....

Its quite clear you're all opinion and have never bothered to pick up a book on social philosophy and read it..

"liberal" is a fucking word.

Classical liberalism is the separation from authoritarian ideas....

You progressive liberals are authoritarian... Its almost an oxymoron..

Learn something...

 

[JBeukema]

it was southern democrats who founded the KKK.

And the Know Nothings were integrated into the GOP.

What's your point?

Nice side step, but you are wrong, and think we both know that you are.

Read a history book. When The American Nativist Party, The American Republican Party, and other Know Nothing parties dissolved, their members overwhelmingly joined the Republican Party.

 

[Mr.Nick]

They were classical liberals.

Modern liberals have nothing to do with classical liberalism.

modern liberals are statist

That's like saying 'Modern snails are birds'

Are you trying to imply modern progressives are not collectivist big government loving authoritarian nuts??

Are you trying to say you wouldn't enjoy a nanny state of socialism and an environment where government shoves progressive ideas down peoples throat by force??