Don't forget the liberals created the USA

[JackDan]

probably the worst thread of all time.

You can't even compare the liberals from 200 years ago to today, to do so is idiocy.

 

[manifold]

probably the worst thread of all time.

Fail.

This isn't even close to my own worst, let alone the rabble at large.

But whatcha gonna do?

 

[whitehall]

Nice manifold but bad sense of history. JFK was a liberal but he would be considered a right wing conservative based on today's standards. The word Liberal in the political sense has evolved to such a degree that even liberals are afraid to use it. Founding Fathers not withstanding, today's meaning of the word liberal is synonymous with anti-American and socialist.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They would have called Tea Drinker "Pinkie Raisers" and petitioned the Brits to raise taxes on tea because the top 2% of the Pinkie Raisers consumed 14.3% of the best teas

 

[WillowTree]

But you agree the 2 items I listed aren't liberal principles, correct?

I do not.

nobody wants high taxes.

Bullshit.

 

[del]

I do not.

nobody wants high taxes.

Bullshit.

how eloquent

 

[manifold]

They would have called Tea Drinker "Pinkie Raisers" and petitioned the Brits to raise taxes on tea because the top 2% of the Pinkie Raisers consumed 14.3% of the best teas

At least according to 94% of all scientists anyway.

 

[Dr.Drock]

I just wanna say thanx for the profile pic.

 

[Bern80]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

And they are nothing like the liberals of today. How fucking dishonest can you possibly be?

 

[manifold]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

And they are nothing like the liberals of today. How fucking dishonest can you possibly be?

I posted a statement of fact.

Nothing dishonest about that skippy.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

They were classical liberals. Neither party is worthy of their presence today.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

Perhaps they were.... but if they were alive today, they'd be runnning today's liberals out of town on a rail.

 

[Contumacious]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

Firstly, I love your avatar.

Secondly, It is true that they were liberals in the classical sense. They can not be compared to those who presently call themselves liberals. The classical liberal distrusted government and supported individual rights.

The present liberal advocates government supremacy and is against individual rights.

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[logical4u]

Definition of a liberal;

A liberal (also leftist) is someone who rejects logical and biblical standards, often for self-centered reasons. There are no coherent liberal standards; often a liberal is merely someone who craves attention, and who uses many words to say nothing. Liberalism began as a movement for individual liberties, but today is increasingly statist and, as in Europe, socialistic. Liberalism has changed over the years and degenerated into corruption. For example, FDR, one of the few great democratic Presidents, firmly believed in private sector unions, but vehemently opposed and condemned public sector unions, stating that the idea of collective bargaining can't be transferred to the public sector, as that would result in the government being unable to carry out its duties. Yet today, decades later, democrats and liberals are almost in bed with public sector unions, as they "donate" money to the re-election campaign in exchange for more taxpayer money in their wallets and fluffed up pensions.

According to current dictionaries and their own beliefs, a liberal is "a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties" or "a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets". or "open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc." or "favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties". In practice, however, liberals are often the most intolerant of people, and frequently are on the side of disorder, chaos, anarchy, and lawbreaking. According to Webster's Unabridged Dictionary - and matched by current observation - liberals are "unchecked by a sense of the decorous, the fitting, or the polite...lacking significant moral restraints" or "...an emancipation from convention, tradition, or dogma that extends from a belief in altering institutions to fit altering conditions to a preference for lawlessness" Polling data over several decades has consistently shown more Americans identify themselves as conservative than liberal, by a ratio of 2-1.

Our Founding Father's were not libeal.
They were very religious, very logical and certainly were not self centered.

It is what they (lefties) do; they take something that is honorable and admirable and hijack it to decieve the willfully ignorant.

 

[xsited1]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

Yes, they were! Until, of course, the marxist wackos co-opted the word 'liberal' for their own nefarious use back in the 1930s.

 

[Dot Com]

normally I hate manifold w/ the power of a 100 supernova's because he's a donkey but I tend to agree w/ him here. "Loyalists" were "conservatives". Ben Franklin & his son didn't get along because his son was a Loyalist. Conservatives abhor change especially when it adversely effects white-folks .

 

[manifold]

normally I hate manifold.

I still like you.

But whatcha gonna do?

 

[BlindBoo]

They were certainly considered liberal in their day.

 

[manifold]

They were certainly considered liberal in their day.

Even radical and *gasp* progressive!

 

[Flopper]

When the US was founded, the terms liberal and conservative had a far different meaning than today. A conservative embraced the status quo while the liberal favored change. Applying today's definition to people that lived over two hundred years ago doesn't make much sense. Times are different and values are different.

Goldwater, Reagan and their followers really defined conservatism in American. While conservatism is defined by ideology, liberalism is defined by issues.