Don't be blind

[ProudTwoofer]

no, you have proven that he is a nutter and not worthy of support well done you did more to harm him than i ever could

He's not a nutter. Nobody who's familiar with the overwhelming evidence would say anything like that.

 

[DiveCon]

no, you have proven that he is a nutter and not worthy of support well done you did more to harm him than i ever could

He's not a nutter. Nobody who's familiar with the overwhelming evidence would say anything like that.

i am very familiar with the evidence and you are a fucking MORON

 

[ProudTwoofer]

i am very familiar with the evidence and you are a fucking MORON

Really. You're familiar with the evidence. All the non subjective evidence that piles up so that the only conclusion is that there is something very, very wrong?

You go by the premise that the official story of 9/11 given to us by the Bush administration is just as pristine as the planted red bandanna found in Shanksville is the only possible explanation of the attack and anybody who dares question it is an unpatriotic nutcase. Although the Bush admin lied about everything from election fraud to weapons of mass destruction to wiretapping to torture, SURELY they didn't lie about 9/11.

Let's start simple, shall we?

The definition of a false flag attack:

False flag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An example would be the Gulf Of Tonkin. Even Geraldo admits it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-XjX00UHkk]YouTube - Alex Jones exposes attempt to demonize 9/11 Truth on Geraldo following Pentagon incident[/ame]

Or the first attack on the WTC

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1Y6cGRXEs]YouTube - Rare TV NEWS report about WTC bombing FBI Foreknowledge[/ame]

Proposed false flags
The Terrorist Attacks Planned by the American Joint Chief of Staff against its Population [Voltaire]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0EhVRa4g90]YouTube - Operation Northwoods... Coincidence??[/ame]

BUT THEY NEVER WENT THROUGH WITH THEM!
Perhaps not, but they did go through with the Gulf Of Tonkin and original attack on the WTC.

Now let's take a look at what others have to say about what happened at Ground Zero from those that were there.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3uFvOiTNz4]YouTube - Explosions before planes hit WTC 911 9/11[/ame]

Interview with John Schroeder
A firefighter who was one of the first to enter the towers. 16:58-1944
Leaves very little room for "subjective interpretations" don't ya think?

Fire Fighters For 9-11 Truth FF 911 Truth
Many other firefighters and first responders besides John Schroeder claim the towers were brought down by explosives. Even going as far to say they saw flashes right before the towers fell.

From the site:

Look at the facts of the WTC, specifically Tower 7, collapses:
1) Terrorists used explosives on WTC 1 in 1993.
2) Over 118 first responders reported hearing explosions before all 3 collapses, many said it sounded like the “bang-bang-bang” you hear during a demolition.
3) We have video, photographic and audio evidence of explosions after the impact and before collapse.
4) Live news was reporting multiple explosions, and the possibility terrorists also planted explosives.
5) Barry Jennings, the Emergency Coordinator for the NY Housing Authority reported explosions in Tower 7. He also reported being knocked down by explosions prior to the collapse of the tower.
6) Molten steel AND concrete were found at Ground Zero “remember, hydrocarbon fires do not burn hot enough to melt steel or concrete.”N.F.P.A. 921- 19.2.4 Exotic Accelerants states that molten steel and concrete could indicate the use of exotic accelerants, specifically Thermite.
7) WTC 7 was the first concrete and steel high rise to collapse during a fire that had not been struck by an aircraft. It was determined not to be significantly damaged by the falling debris, and diesel fuel tanks DID NOT contribute significantly to the fire (according to NIST final report 200.

So, with all these indicators, would you test for exotic accelerants/explosive residue/Thermite? How could you confirm or rule out the possibility terrorists planted explosives in addition to the aircraft hits?

Why does N.I.S.T. REFUSE to this day to test for exotic accelerants in the most heinous crime in U.S. history? With the first high rise building collapses in history, why would N.I.S.T. NOT test for accelerants? Especially, with so many indicators, one in which we have lost so many lives, so many Brothers, so many Freedoms, and our Economy. I have not found a single fire investigator who can give a reason other than they didn’t want to find exotic accelerants or they were incompetent! Well, if it was incompetence, we can go back and still test. These scientists have tested…read their results!!
Steven E. Jones (p.h.d) - Nano Thermite
If you can’t answer why, then please take the time to investigate. Browse our website, and please sign the petition. Our communities trust us. If we let them know this is not how professionals investigate, or how we treat our Brothers and Sisters who gave so much, they will listen. Also, please visit FealGood Foundation and learn how to help our Brothers and Sisters in need.

Many of our Brothers and Sisters are sick and dying from their exposures at Ground Zero, our Country is crumbling. I am asking you to do something much more difficult than fighting a fire. I am asking you to be as professional as you would be on any emergency call. I am asking you to review the evidence surrounding 9-11. I am asking you to join us in demanding an investigation that follows National Standards, and passage of the 9/11 Health and Compensation Act to take care of the sick Ground Zero workers. I am asking you to stand with us to help SAVE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS AND OUR COUNTRY!
Respectfully,
Erik Lawyer

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8XBxw7k8rk]YouTube - Proof Explosives Witness Reports 9/11 U can Hear the BOMBS![/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkcxVdDSAY4]YouTube - Richard Gage on KMPH Fox 26 in Fresno CA - Nano-Thermite Explosive Used on 9/11[/ame]

How the hell did cave dwellers get their hands on nano thermite?

NIST likes to ignore facts:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36bkCB8sTY]YouTube - 9/11 Truth: NIST engineer denies molten steel at Ground Zero[/ame]

A particular favorite of mine, William Rodriguez, who makes the very clear assertion that prior to the first plane hitting WTC1 there was an explosions that pushed him in the air. However, ABC thought it would be cute to take him out of context. Now what purpose does that serve?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U45WYZqOWU]YouTube - Rosie O'Donnell and 9/11 Hero William Rodriguez[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQgEAEb4YKQ]YouTube - William Rodriguez on the news on 9-11-06[/ame]

The account of Barry Jennings:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI]YouTube - World Exclusive: WTC7 Survivor Barry Jennings Account[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NrASZxGu_o]YouTube - 9/11 In Perspective[/ame]

Well, that's enough of the collapses.

Let's move onto the victim's families. We already know the opinions of a few of the survivors, but what about the families themselves? Are the truthers disrespecting them?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqQHHYaBsGg]YouTube - NIGHTLINE[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzC3QI8JenU]YouTube - Vote for Answers[/ame]

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Well, they're just "bitter", so we don't have to listen to them.

How about the fact countless of people with decades of experience under their belts call BS on the official story? In addition to Patriots Question 9/11 and Firefighters For 9/11 Truth-

Pilots For 9/11 Truth

AE911Truth

People with decades of experience have no credibility though. The only ones who DO have any such credibility are the ones who work directly for the government or companies that depend directly on government contracts because they would have absolutely NO political agenda or ulterior motives, amirite?

Approximately 8600 gallons of fuel would have been ignited on the 757 that hit the pentagon. Look at the post attack footage and ask yourself, is the damage consistent with that amount of fuel being ignited? The amount of fuel left in the aircraft that hit the pentagon would have reduced that section to rubble and it would have burned for days. And 8600 gallons of fuel had a BTU rate of 86000000. The fuel spill of 8600 gallons would consist of a very large soil removal project since the contaminated soil would be considered hazardous waste under Title 40 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

How about planted evidence?
U.S.D.C. Eastern District of Virginia

The red bandanna I mentioned that not only escaped the plane, but was found in pristine condition.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc]YouTube - 9/11 Flight 93 Rare Footage[/ame]

Also, what about Atta's luggage that by coincidence and/or luck happened to have his will. If you were about to fly a plane into a building, would you bring along your will?

How about the history of eugenics and America?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVhE3Muh3co]YouTube - Population Control: The Eugenics Connection - Part 1[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaH0Ws8RtSc]YouTube - War on the Weak: Eugenics in America[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh37r3alzzs]YouTube - Operation Paperclip: The Hunt for Nazi Scientists[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkojpgNZD9I]YouTube - History of the Bush Family[/ame]

Obama and how he fits into it all:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViPMXcWTCf8]YouTube - Barack Obama Caught Lying About The CFR & North American Union[/ame]
4:31-5:40, not a coincidence.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8]YouTube - Rep. Brad Sherman Martial Law[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBA65i26lv8]YouTube - Parents of Indoctrinated Children in New Jersey Outraged over Barack Obama Worship Song[/ame]
8thRRFS puts it nicely.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuASoVK8f9c]YouTube - Obama Warns Not To Challenge Official 9/11 Story[/ame]
I get deja vu watching that.

If people can't think in terms that 9/11 was a conspiracy regardless of who carried the attacks out, and use "conspiracy theorist" as an insult, there's no way in hell that the sheep would even entertain the thought I've actually done research. Yes, I once believed the official story. As did most, if not all truthers. I actually fell upon the facts that most overlook.

"FACTS? Pfft. Looking over those tiresome details? Melting point of steel. Standard procedures. Testimony of first hand accounts of first responders(who by the way, any of them that claim anything different when comparing their claims to the OFFICIAL report aren't credible). Time lines. Office building fires. We know anything that contradicts the official story is false. The assumption the Bush administration would kill civilians is false." Despite the fact, as I said, the government lied about the air quality at Ground Zero. And years later the first responders who since then have become gravely ill, asking Bush for help, his response was "NO". Another assumption is of course "IT'S TOO BIG TO BE KEPT SECRET". TRUMAN didn't even know about the Manhattan Project as the vice president until he became president. In 1957 the government provoked and actively participated in a civil war in Indonesia that resulted in 40000 deaths. This illegal war was kept secret from the American people until 1995.
The covert war in Indonesia, 1957-58 Mark Curtis

Secrets can damn well be kept, especially when exposing such secrets. Firing, jail time, and of course another well known mean.

Of course, people stupidly believe they should rely on official and semi-official reports. They're all neutral organizations who have put out scientific studies. That's the popular assumption at least.

NIST is an agency of the commerce department. And therefor an agency of the president's administration. 11000 scientists, including 52 Nobel Peace Prize winners have endorsed a statement accusing the Bush administration of engaging in distortion of scientific knowledge for political agenda. So Bush become notorious for distorting science for political purposes.

Scientists Accuse White House of Distorting Facts - NYTimes.com

Phillip Zellikow ran the 9/11 commission who was virtually a member of the Bush administration. He was even brought in by his former co-author Condoleezza Rice to write the 2002 edition of the national security strategy of the US which used 9/11 as a basis for developing a new doctrine of preemptive warfare. Was Zellikow likely to reveal any evidence 9/11 was a self inflicted wound?

Popular Mechanics was endorsed by Condoleezza Rice's state department stating it provided excellent material debunking those whackjob conspiracy theories. Popular Mechanics themselves said they were ideally equipped for the job they were presented with since they have over 100 years experience with science and technology. Yet just before they began working on their little project, the president of Hearst magazine, Cathleen Black, who is married to a former employee of the CIA and Department Of Defense, replaced much of the staff including long time editor in chief and creative director. Benjamin Chertoff, one of the new members of the staff who described himself as the senior researcher for the 2005 article, a cousin of the Head Of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff. You people remind me of Elaine and another character from a certain episode of Seinfeld. This character claimed a coincidence is a coincidence while Elaine rebuked said claim by saying there are DEGREES of coincidences. When coincidences just pile on one after another, they're no longer coincidences.

Oh. And the whole FBI saying "there's no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks".

 

[DiveCon]

ah, another fucking moron with youtube videos

 

[ProudTwoofer]

ah, another fucking moron with youtube videos

That's right. YouTube videos. Nothing on YouTube is credible. Obama promised transparency. That video is FAAAAKE. William Rodriguez never worked at WTC1 achieving hero status and Bush giving him a medal. That's FAAAAKE. And nobody took him out of context because there was nothing to take him out of context about. And Obama isn't related to 6 other presidents including the Bush family. FAAAAKE. Erik Lawyer never questioned the attacks because if he did he was never really a firefighter anyway. FAAAAKE. And nothing called Operation Northwoods was ever "declassified" even though it's on ABC's website. FAAAAKE. Brad Sherman is a liar so FAAAAKE.

 

[DiveCon]

ah, another fucking moron with youtube videos

That's right. YouTube videos. Nothing on YouTube is credible. Obama promised transparency. That video is FAAAAKE. William Rodriguez never worked at WTC1 achieving hero status and Bush giving him a medal. That's FAAAAKE. And nobody took him out of context because there was nothing to take him out of context about. And Obama isn't related to 6 other presidents including the Bush family. FAAAAKE. Erik Lawyer never questioned the attacks because if he did he was never really a firefighter anyway. FAAAAKE. And nothing called Operation Northwoods was ever "declassified" even though it's on ABC's website. FAAAAKE. Brad Sherman is a liar so FAAAAKE.

never said that nothing ir reliable, just that you are another fucking moron with youtube videos
fuck off dipshit
no one is going to believe a word you post
except for the already known moronic troofer assholes
and you will have 911rimjob all over your ass applauding nearly everything you say even when he has posted things that contradict what you say
it never fails

 

[ProudTwoofer]

never said that nothing ir reliable, just that you are another fucking moron with youtube videos
fuck off dipshit
no one is going to believe a word you post
except for the already known moronic troofer assholes
and you will have 911rimjob all over your ass applauding nearly everything you say even when he has posted things that contradict what you say
it never fails

Speaking of contradictions, you can't contradict the credible people, you can't contradict the fact those who ran the Omission Report were obviously biased, you can't contradict the fact Nobel Peace Prize winners said Bush wasn't to be trusted, so you resort to insults. Dick Cheney thanks you for your loyal service.

Cookie for anybody who gets the reference.

 

[DiveCon]

never said that nothing ir reliable, just that you are another fucking moron with youtube videos
fuck off dipshit
no one is going to believe a word you post
except for the already known moronic troofer assholes
and you will have 911rimjob all over your ass applauding nearly everything you say even when he has posted things that contradict what you say
it never fails

Speaking of contradictions, you can't contradict the credible people, you can't contradict the fact those who ran the Omission Report were obviously biased, you can't contradict the fact Nobel Peace Prize winners said Bush wasn't to be trusted, so you resort to insults. Dick Cheney thanks you for your loyal service.

Cookie for anybody who gets the reference.

ROFLMAO

i dont need to refute youtr bullshit
wait, it isnt even YOUR bullshit
you post OTHER peoples bullshit and try to claim it as your own

 

[DiveCon]

hint for you
troofers are despised all over the internet

 

[ProudTwoofer]

i dont need to refute youtr bullshit
wait, it isnt even YOUR bullshit
you post OTHER peoples bullshit and try to claim it as your own

I'd be surprised if you could debunk ONE. You CAN'T however debunk this...

11000 scientists, including 52 Nobel Peace Prize winners have endorsed a statement accusing the Bush administration of engaging in distortion of scientific knowledge for political agenda. So Bush become notorious for distorting science for political purposes.

Scientists Accuse White House of Distorting Facts - NYTimes.com

this...

Let's move onto the victim's families. We already know the opinions of a few of the survivors, but what about the families themselves? Are the truthers disrespecting them?

YouTube - NIGHTLINE

YouTube - Vote for Answers

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Well, they're just "bitter", so we don't have to listen to them.

and this...

Oh. And the whole FBI saying "there's no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks".

hint for you
troofers are despised all over the internet

That's right, because we've been conditioned by the mainstream media to demonize anybody who dares question the government. Even though the most popular and widely accepted conspiracy theory is the JFK assassination, but that's "cool".

 

[DiveCon]

i dont need to refute youtr bullshit
wait, it isnt even YOUR bullshit
you post OTHER peoples bullshit and try to claim it as your own

I'd be surprised if you could debunk ONE. You CAN'T however debunk this...

11000 scientists, including 52 Nobel Peace Prize winners have endorsed a statement accusing the Bush administration of engaging in distortion of scientific knowledge for political agenda. So Bush become notorious for distorting science for political purposes.

Scientists Accuse White House of Distorting Facts - NYTimes.com

this...



and this...

Oh. And the whole FBI saying "there's no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks".

hint for you
troofers are despised all over the internet

That's right, because we've been conditioned by the mainstream media to demonize anybody who dares question the government. Even though the most popular and widely accepted conspiracy theory is the JFK assassination, but that's "cool".

yeah, sure
LOL
dipshits like you are a dime a dozen
you are here to be ridiculed

 

[ProudTwoofer]

yeah, sure
LOL
dipshits like you are a dime a dozen
you are here to be ridiculed

In other words, you got nothing.

 

[DiveCon]

yeah, sure
LOL
dipshits like you are a dime a dozen
you are here to be ridiculed

In other words, you got nothing.

i dont really need anything
you prove you are a dipshit with every post

 

[86DuDE]

Proud Troother you need to work on your delivery. You say that one world government is coming but you don't offer any substance.

 

[ProudTwoofer]

Proud Troother you need to work on your delivery. You say that one world government is coming but you don't offer any substance.

You've got to put 2 and 2 together. The history of eugenics with the US, Prescott Bush financing Hitler, school kids singing praises to Obama with echoes of Hiter youth, Brad Sherman threatened with Martial law, false flag terrorism, propaganda demonizing anybody who questions the government, trillions of dollars unaccounted for and pricks refusing to say where they went, oh, and this, forgot to add it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuWVHT1WUY]YouTube - Rachel Maddow: Indefinite detention? Shame on you... President Obama[/ame]

Can't get much more clear cut, can you?

 

[DiveCon]

wait, you're using the "controlled media"
i thought that was against the standards of the troofers

careful, they will kick you out of the clubhouse

 

[ProudTwoofer]

wait, your using the "controled media"
i thought that was against the standards of the troofers

careful, they will kick you out of the clubhouse

If you don't have anything beneficial to add to this thread don't bother posting.

I'm very much against the mainstream media. Do you they sell propaganda? Yes. Do they take people of of context? Yes. I don't trust Alex Jones either but for the most part what he says is true. Same with the mainstream media. Sure there's propaganda, omissions, and outright lies, but there's truth as well.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSXQLUIc1Ak]YouTube - Ron Paul Gets Home Run on CFR-NAU Question[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgGEv-cdoms]YouTube - CNN-Lou Dobbs- Obama Backing North American Union Agenda[/ame]

 

[ProudTwoofer]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UrI2uV_PYw]YouTube - Lou Dobbs calls for a new investigation of 9/11![/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tasAu_gkmDQ[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgGEv-cdoms[/ame]

And in regards to Lou Dobbs, he spoke out against the New World Order but the straw the broke the camel's back was Lou questioning Obama's eligibility and thus he was fired. Like Rosie.

 

[DiveCon]

wait, your using the "controled media"
i thought that was against the standards of the troofers

careful, they will kick you out of the clubhouse

If you don't have anything beneficial to add to this thread don't bother posting.

I'm very much against the mainstream media. Do you they sell propaganda? Yes. Do they take people of of context? Yes. I don't trust Alex Jones either but for the most part what he says is true. Same with the mainstream media. Sure there's propaganda, omissions, and outright lies, but there's truth as well.

i'll post when and where i please, as long as i don't violate the few rules here
you don't like it, tough shit

 

[elvis]

wait, your using the "controled media"
i thought that was against the standards of the troofers

careful, they will kick you out of the clubhouse

If you don't have anything beneficial to add to this thread don't bother posting.

I'm very much against the mainstream media. Do you they sell propaganda? Yes. Do they take people of of context? Yes. I don't trust Alex Jones either but for the most part what he says is true. Same with the mainstream media. Sure there's propaganda, omissions, and outright lies, but there's truth as well.

That whore named irony keeps showing her face.