Donald Trump is right: the sale of the US embassy was a bad deal.

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The anti-Trump forces have been having a field day on Twitter with the hashtag #ICancelledMyTriptoLondon – poking fun at Donald Trump’s claim why he called off his trip to London to open the new £880 million US embassy.

The President claims he can’t bear to cut the ribbon because the Obama administration got itself a bum deal by selling the old US embassy in Grosvenor Square for ‘peanuts’ and moving to a secondary location south of the river. The real reason, we’re led to believe, is that Trump is scared of the street mob.

I doubt if either explanation is quite right. More likely is that Trump thinks he wouldn’t receive the public adulation in London he thinks he deserves. He certainly won’t be frightened – and would almost certainly enjoy – a few protests.

But then he isn’t wrong about the deal to sell the Grosvenor Square Embassy, either. It almost certainly was a bum deal. Trump might struggle when it comes to foreign affairs and many other things besides, but it is a bit rash to challenge his knowledge on property values, which has been his obsession throughout his working life.

Trump has an advantage over the rest of us – he will have access to the classified information of exactly what the US sold it for to the Qatari Sovereign Wealth fund in 2009. The price is rumoured to have been £500 million. But it is plain that it must have been a lot less than it is worth now.

The beginning of 2009 marked the bottom of the property slump, when heavily-indebted investors unable to roll over their debts were forced to dispose of property at knock-down prices. The US government is itself heavily-indebted, of course, but also has rather better access to credit than your average developer or property investor. There is no reason why it should have been forced to sell its embassy at the bottom of the market.

Finance for the building of the new embassy could surely have been found from elsewhere and the US government have waited for better times to sell off the Grosvenor Square building. That is surely what would have happened had it had a property mogul as President in 2009.

Moreover, would a Trump-led government have chosen Nine Elms? It is doubtful. Whatever his other faults, I suspect that Trump would insisted on the embassy remained in a Central location and would have spotted that Nine Elms – where flats have been shamelessly marketed at Far Eastern investors likely to buy, but not live in them – was a bubble waiting to burst. According to property information company LonRes, prices per square foot in Nine Elms tumbled 6 per cent in the year to last June as those investors lost interest in London.

Trump’s critics are quite right to point out, by the way, that the decision to move the London embassy from Grosvenor Square to Nine Elms was made in 2008 – ie, under George W Bush. But the sale of the old embassy went through in Obama’s time, so he is not entirely wrong to address his ‘peanuts’ comment to his immediate predecessor.

Donald Trump is right: the sale of the US embassy was a bad deal | Coffee House
 
The anti-Trump forces have been having a field day on Twitter with the hashtag #ICancelledMyTriptoLondon – poking fun at Donald Trump’s claim why he called off his trip to London to open the new £880 million US embassy.

The President claims he can’t bear to cut the ribbon because the Obama administration got itself a bum deal by selling the old US embassy in Grosvenor Square for ‘peanuts’ and moving to a secondary location south of the river. The real reason, we’re led to believe, is that Trump is scared of the street mob.

I doubt if either explanation is quite right. More likely is that Trump thinks he wouldn’t receive the public adulation in London he thinks he deserves. He certainly won’t be frightened – and would almost certainly enjoy – a few protests.

But then he isn’t wrong about the deal to sell the Grosvenor Square Embassy, either. It almost certainly was a bum deal. Trump might struggle when it comes to foreign affairs and many other things besides, but it is a bit rash to challenge his knowledge on property values, which has been his obsession throughout his working life.

Trump has an advantage over the rest of us – he will have access to the classified information of exactly what the US sold it for to the Qatari Sovereign Wealth fund in 2009. The price is rumoured to have been £500 million. But it is plain that it must have been a lot less than it is worth now.

The beginning of 2009 marked the bottom of the property slump, when heavily-indebted investors unable to roll over their debts were forced to dispose of property at knock-down prices. The US government is itself heavily-indebted, of course, but also has rather better access to credit than your average developer or property investor. There is no reason why it should have been forced to sell its embassy at the bottom of the market.

Finance for the building of the new embassy could surely have been found from elsewhere and the US government have waited for better times to sell off the Grosvenor Square building. That is surely what would have happened had it had a property mogul as President in 2009.

Moreover, would a Trump-led government have chosen Nine Elms? It is doubtful. Whatever his other faults, I suspect that Trump would insisted on the embassy remained in a Central location and would have spotted that Nine Elms – where flats have been shamelessly marketed at Far Eastern investors likely to buy, but not live in them – was a bubble waiting to burst. According to property information company LonRes, prices per square foot in Nine Elms tumbled 6 per cent in the year to last June as those investors lost interest in London.

Trump’s critics are quite right to point out, by the way, that the decision to move the London embassy from Grosvenor Square to Nine Elms was made in 2008 – ie, under George W Bush. But the sale of the old embassy went through in Obama’s time, so he is not entirely wrong to address his ‘peanuts’ comment to his immediate predecessor.

Donald Trump is right: the sale of the US embassy was a bad deal | Coffee House
If your predecessor, (Bush) makes agreements to sell a property and move to another location, especially when your the US government don't you think reneging because the time is bad brings loss of face? Do you know if there wasn't an agreement before Obama took office? And even if there wasn't, the President Of The United States claiming to not want to open an embassy in the country of its closest historical ally is both foolish and not a little bit petty.
 
It doesn't matter where the embassy is. Trump wasn't going to London in the first place because he's a snowflake who wouldn't be able to handle the protesting. Record protest were planned for President Bone Spur arrival in the UK.

The embassy is just a lame ass excuse for not showing his fat ass in London.
 
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It doesn't matter where the embassy is. Trump wasn't going to London in the first place because he's a snowflake who wouldn't be able yo handle the protesting. Record protest were planned for President Bone Spur arrival in the UK.

The embassy is just a lame ass excuse for not showing his fat ass in London.

Sooner or later, he will go there. He'll have to.
 
It doesn't matter where the embassy is. Trump wasn't going to London in the first place because he's a snowflake who wouldn't be able yo handle the protesting. Record protest were planned for President Bone Spur arrival in the UK.

The embassy is just a lame ass excuse for not showing his fat ass in London.

Sooner or later, he will go there. He'll have to.

I'll be sitting there with popcorn watching all the protesters. The British are actually quite brilliant with their protest chants. So it'll be interesting to see what Trump chants they come up with.
 
Maybe he is just being considerate. With the level of Islamist wacko activity in London, it would take half the British armed forces to provide the necessary security for a Trump state visit. Christ, the MAYOR is an Islamist wacko!

Trump considering the inconvenience and expense of others? Nah, that couldn't be.
 
Trump is a wuss, a draft dodger whose only strength is twitter. America elected a weak man because he spoke tough, words came to control media with nonsense that gave the resentful white male hope that he was on their side but as always they were played for fools.

"Bad behavior is rarely a sign of mental illness, and the mentally ill behave badly only rarely. Psychiatric name-calling is a misguided way of countering Mr. Trump’s attack on democracy. He can, and should, be appropriately denounced for his ignorance, incompetence, impulsivity and pursuit of dictatorial powers....His psychological motivations are too obvious to be interesting, and analyzing them will not halt his headlong power grab. The antidote to a dystopic Trumpean dark age is political, not psychological." Allen Frances, Coronado, Calif.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels
 
Maybe he is just being considerate. With the level of Islamist wacko activity in London, it would take half the British armed forces to provide the necessary security for a Trump state visit. Christ, the MAYOR is an Islamist wacko!

Trump considering the inconvenience and expense of others? Nah, that couldn't be.

The last time I saw it in Mayfair, it was surrounded by concrete blocks.
 
Trump is a wuss, a draft dodger whose only strength is twitter. America elected a weak man because he spoke tough, words came to control media with nonsense that gave the resentful white male hope that he was on their side but as always they were played for fools.

"Bad behavior is rarely a sign of mental illness, and the mentally ill behave badly only rarely. Psychiatric name-calling is a misguided way of countering Mr. Trump’s attack on democracy. He can, and should, be appropriately denounced for his ignorance, incompetence, impulsivity and pursuit of dictatorial powers....His psychological motivations are too obvious to be interesting, and analyzing them will not halt his headlong power grab. The antidote to a dystopic Trumpean dark age is political, not psychological." Allen Frances, Coronado, Calif.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels


What do you mean, bad behaviour? The press pounces in the slightest thing he says.
 
Maybe he is just being considerate. With the level of Islamist wacko activity in London, it would take half the British armed forces to provide the necessary security for a Trump state visit. Christ, the MAYOR is an Islamist wacko!

Trump considering the inconvenience and expense of others? Nah, that couldn't be.
He never gave a shit before about it why now?
 
The anti-Trump forces have been having a field day on Twitter with the hashtag #ICancelledMyTriptoLondon – poking fun at Donald Trump’s claim why he called off his trip to London to open the new £880 million US embassy.

The President claims he can’t bear to cut the ribbon because the Obama administration got itself a bum deal by selling the old US embassy in Grosvenor Square for ‘peanuts’ and moving to a secondary location south of the river. The real reason, we’re led to believe, is that Trump is scared of the street mob.

I doubt if either explanation is quite right. More likely is that Trump thinks he wouldn’t receive the public adulation in London he thinks he deserves. He certainly won’t be frightened – and would almost certainly enjoy – a few protests.

But then he isn’t wrong about the deal to sell the Grosvenor Square Embassy, either. It almost certainly was a bum deal. Trump might struggle when it comes to foreign affairs and many other things besides, but it is a bit rash to challenge his knowledge on property values, which has been his obsession throughout his working life.

Trump has an advantage over the rest of us – he will have access to the classified information of exactly what the US sold it for to the Qatari Sovereign Wealth fund in 2009. The price is rumoured to have been £500 million. But it is plain that it must have been a lot less than it is worth now.

The beginning of 2009 marked the bottom of the property slump, when heavily-indebted investors unable to roll over their debts were forced to dispose of property at knock-down prices. The US government is itself heavily-indebted, of course, but also has rather better access to credit than your average developer or property investor. There is no reason why it should have been forced to sell its embassy at the bottom of the market.

Finance for the building of the new embassy could surely have been found from elsewhere and the US government have waited for better times to sell off the Grosvenor Square building. That is surely what would have happened had it had a property mogul as President in 2009.

Moreover, would a Trump-led government have chosen Nine Elms? It is doubtful. Whatever his other faults, I suspect that Trump would insisted on the embassy remained in a Central location and would have spotted that Nine Elms – where flats have been shamelessly marketed at Far Eastern investors likely to buy, but not live in them – was a bubble waiting to burst. According to property information company LonRes, prices per square foot in Nine Elms tumbled 6 per cent in the year to last June as those investors lost interest in London.

Trump’s critics are quite right to point out, by the way, that the decision to move the London embassy from Grosvenor Square to Nine Elms was made in 2008 – ie, under George W Bush. But the sale of the old embassy went through in Obama’s time, so he is not entirely wrong to address his ‘peanuts’ comment to his immediate predecessor.

Donald Trump is right: the sale of the US embassy was a bad deal | Coffee House
This thread by the OP is suppose to have personal commentary yet it doesn't.....Is the OP speechless over the situation or is it just plain old ignorance of TOS?
 
Trump is a wuss, a draft dodger whose only strength is twitter. America elected a weak man because he spoke tough, words came to control media with nonsense that gave the resentful white male hope that he was on their side but as always they were played for fools.

"Bad behavior is rarely a sign of mental illness, and the mentally ill behave badly only rarely. Psychiatric name-calling is a misguided way of countering Mr. Trump’s attack on democracy. He can, and should, be appropriately denounced for his ignorance, incompetence, impulsivity and pursuit of dictatorial powers....His psychological motivations are too obvious to be interesting, and analyzing them will not halt his headlong power grab. The antidote to a dystopic Trumpean dark age is political, not psychological." Allen Frances, Coronado, Calif.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels


What do you mean, bad behaviour? The press pounces in the slightest thing he says.
And the press did the same to Oblama and every other president, so what's new?
 
Pres. Trump made the correct decision by canceling the trip. I'm sure there were numerous reasons. Worrying about protestors wasn't one of them. .... :cool:
Trump was going to receive a rude welcome wherever he appeared

His fragile ego couldn't take it so a hissy fit over the new embassy needed to be created
 
Pres. Trump made the correct decision by canceling the trip. I'm sure there were numerous reasons. Worrying about protestors wasn't one of them. .... :cool:
Trump was going to receive a rude welcome wherever he appeared

His fragile ego couldn't take it so a hissy fit over the new embassy needed to be created
And he had to sulk while doing what he claimed in a campaign promise that he wouldn't do, play golf all the time...
 
It doesn't matter where the embassy is. Trump wasn't going to London in the first place because he's a snowflake who wouldn't be able yo handle the protesting. Record protest were planned for President Bone Spur arrival in the UK.

The embassy is just a lame ass excuse for not showing his fat ass in London.

Sooner or later, he will go there. He'll have to.
No, he won't. He is not welcome or wanted in most nations in Europe. And there is a problem for him here. He may not be in office long enough to have the opportunity to go to the UK.
 
It doesn't matter where the embassy is. Trump wasn't going to London in the first place because he's a snowflake who wouldn't be able yo handle the protesting. Record protest were planned for President Bone Spur arrival in the UK.

The embassy is just a lame ass excuse for not showing his fat ass in London.

Sooner or later, he will go there. He'll have to.

I'll be sitting there with popcorn watching all the protesters. The British are actually quite brilliant with their protest chants. So it'll be interesting to see what Trump chants they come up with.
Maybe they can line his parade route with Mexican flags.
 

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