Domestic Terrorists

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    All I stated is that they are in fact terrorists.

    They might not be as extreme as Al Qaeda, but they meet the definition of a terrorist organization nonetheless.

    When their "vandal" activities fail to yield their desired results, what will they do next? It's an escalating issue that needs to be stopped.
     
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    Yeah, this phenomenon is interesting. I myself have contemplated similar acts to what some in these "groups" have commited, in the same way that anyone angry or frustrated about something might idly contemplate such a thing. Seeing others actually carry it out, I am impressed by nothing more than the shere ineffectuality of such an approach. I'm not sure if these actions create more critical thought about how our society works, but i tend to think that they do not. If these causes are to gain any ground, it must be done by winning hearts and minds, and I don't think these activities do anything to that end. But like I said, I'm not sure. I can only say that this radicalization SEEMS to be detrimental to their causes.
     
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    Allow me to post their introduction:

    Meet the E.L.F.

    The Earth Liberation Front is an international underground movement consisting of autonomous groups of people who carry out direct action according to the E.L.F. guidelines. Since 1997, E.L.F. cells have carried out dozens of actions resulting in close to $100 million in damages.

    Modeled after the Animal Liberation Front, the E.L.F. is structured in such a way as to to maximize effectiveness. By operating in cells (small groups that consist of one to several people), the security of group members is maintained. Each cell is anonymous not only to the public but also to one another. This decentralized structure helps keep activists out of jail and free to continue conducting actions.

    As the E.L.F. structure is non-hierarchical, individuals involved control their own activities. There is no a centralized organization or leadership tying the anonymous cells together. Likewise, there is no official "membership". Individuals who choose to do actions under the banner of the E.L.F are driven only by their personal conscience or decisions taken by their cell while adhering to the stated guidelines.

    Who are the people carrying out these activities? Because involved individuals are anonymous, they could be anyone from any community. Parents, teachers, church volunteers, your neighbor, or even your partner could be involved. The exploitation and destruction of the environment affects all of us - some people enough to take direct action in defense of the earth.

    Any direct action to halt the destruction of the environment and adhering to the strict nonviolence guidelines, listed below, can be considered an E.L.F. action. Economic sabotage and property destruction fall within these guidelines.

    Earth Liberation Front Guidelines:


    To inflict economic damage on those profitting from the destruction and exploitation of the natural environment.

    To reveal and educate the public on the atrocities committed against the earth and all species that populate it.

    To take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.

    There is no way to contact the E.L.F. in your area. It is up to each committed person to take responsibility for stopping the exploitation of the natural world. No longer can it be assumed that someone else is going to do it. If not you who, if not now when?
     
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    Other than this statement, could you not replace E.L.F with Al queda ?
     
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    Doesn't this just figure :

    ELF domain registered with GANDI Registrar in France, and based out of Vancouver, British Columbia.
     
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    yeah, and in that statement I see a world of difference.

    No doubt their style of organization mimics that of terrorist cells. That does not, to my mind mean that they are identical or should be treated by the same standards. It is mainly comments like jeff's that I have a problem with: "There should be no difference is hunting down members of ELF or al-Qaeda" Does that mean we should go to war? Bombarding? Should ELF suspects be sent to gitmo? Sorry, but the image is a bit funny.
     
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    No, just good old prison will do. No probation, no ACOD, no bullshit. These people are nothing but criminals and need to be dealt with as such.
     
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    and that is exactly how they are treated, (or would be if any of them were actually caught). Arson, I'm sure you know, is a felony.
     
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    You know it is not their cause with which I have a problem, hell I would probably support many of their stances. My problem is when individuals and organizations take matters of justice into their own hands, I condem the police for this as well as these people.
     
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    And I applaud you for your even handed consideration of the facts and the consistency with which you apply your standards. We are in agreement! :D
     

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