doing the carbon tax correctly

[Old Rocks]

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Despite these benefits, many predicted the B.C. Liberals would pay a price for this new tax -- including the NDP, who tried to make it a major election issue. However, the Liberals were re-elected with a larger majority in 2009. While one can't say the carbon tax helped them, it certainly didn't hurt.

And the initiative is drawing global praise. Harvard business professor Michael Porter -- a world-renowned competitiveness guru -- recently stated: "The right policy regime is a carbon tax, and the province of British Columbia has pretty much got it right." The director of the U.K.'s Green Fiscal Commission, Dr. Paul Ekins, went even further, calling B.C.'s policy "a model for the world."

The early results of B.C.'s carbon tax experiment are in, and they look positive. At a time when political leadership on climate change is sorely lacking, B.C. has stuck its neck out and done what most experts say is the right thing. Let's hope other governments -- in Ottawa, Washington and around the world -- are watching.

 

[IanC]

Even 1.18 a litre for gas hasn't got t us out of our cars. But it has produced lots of tax revenue.

 

[Liberty]

doing the carbon tax correctly: don't do the carbon tax.

carbon gives life and food. plus, we are carbon based lifeforms. the more carbon the better.

 

[Mr. H.]

So far it's just a tax. We'll see what the '09 emissions figures look like when they're relased.

 

[Old Rocks]

doing the carbon tax correctly: don't do the carbon tax.

carbon gives life and food. plus, we are carbon based lifeforms. the more carbon the better.

Salt is absolutely essential to life. So why don't you just up and eat a quart of it? I mean, after all, it is essential to life, therefore it cannot harm you.

 

[Liberty]

doing the carbon tax correctly: don't do the carbon tax.

carbon gives life and food. plus, we are carbon based lifeforms. the more carbon the better.

Salt is absolutely essential to life. So why don't you just up and eat a quart of it? I mean, after all, it is essential to life, therefore it cannot harm you.

In this thread:

Old Rocks explains that sodium chloride is exactly the same as carbon dioxide. Well played, sir.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Cap and tax is bullshit and is not needed.

What is needed is for science to get to work and Government to govern, instead of penalize and direct.

 

[westwall]

What is needed is for the money being pissed down the rathole of GW "research" be dirrected to something useful that will actually accomplish something beneficial to man.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The best way to institute a carbon tax is to surgically attach carbon meters to the mouths and noses of every person and draft a dime out of their checking accounts every time they exhale.

While we're at it we can attach a heart monitor and assess a per heartbeat fee because after all cradle to grave government care has to be paid for somehow.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

B.C.'s carbon tax has two parts. First, it puts a price on emissions of carbon -- the main greenhouse gas, which comes from burning oil, gas or coal. That cost is now $20/tonne (it rises by $5 annually). Second, the revenues are all plowed back into tax cuts for individuals and business.

What effects has this policy had so far? Although it is impossible to precisely identify the impacts of the tax shift in an economy with thousands of changing variables, initial results allay concerns that it would harm the economy.

In fact, B.C.'s economic growth in 2009 -- the first full year the tax was in effect -- was higher than Canada's as a whole. Unemployment, although high because of wider economic events, is below the national average and does not appear to have jumped when the tax shift came in.

Perhaps even more significantly, for the average taxpayer, the carbon tax shift has been an economic boon. During 2008 and 2009, the tax raised $846 million. However, the province tied the carbon tax to reductions in personal and corporate income taxes, as well as tax credits to offset impacts on low-income individuals. The total value of these offsetting cuts was nearly $1.1 billion over those two years, meaning a net tax reduction for B.C. taxpayers of about $230 million. [...]

The carbon tax has obvious moral appeal. By tying the pollution tax to reduced income taxes, B.C. has shifted from taxing "goods," like working and entrepreneurship, to taxing "bads," like pollution.

Oh those crafty Canadians, they really get their shit right sometimes.

For the record, using less fossil fuel is a positive thing regardless of climate change. It's a finite resource that's rapidly diminishing and getting more expensive and damaging to produce, the vast majority of countries don't have it or don't have enough and have to spend billions/trillions every year to get it (Forrrnnn Oil!!), and it leads to all sorts of nasty little things like what we witnessed this summer down in the Gulf and are continuing to witness in many other 'Gulfs' around the world. Being the crude commodity it is, any random rapid increase in prices like what happened back a couple of summers ago fucks both importing countries and exporting countries (their people, anyways) and as an extension to that, it props up all sorts of unsavory characters in the Middle East and elsewhere and then gives excuses to people in power of sending other people's children to die to protect their share under false pretenses, but that's a discussion for another time.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

doing the carbon tax correctly: don't do the carbon tax.

carbon gives life and food. plus, we are carbon based lifeforms. the more carbon the better.

Salt is absolutely essential to life. So why don't you just up and eat a quart of it? I mean, after all, it is essential to life, therefore it cannot harm you.

This sounds like how you do your global warming experiments.

You say, "a 200ppm increase in CO2 will melt the glaciers, cause Cat 5 hurricanes and end all life on Earth".

But when I ask you to show me in a laboratory setting how that's possible you put it 980,000PPM of CO2 and replicate Venus, not Earth

None dare call that science. Oh wait, sorry, you do think that's science, right?

 

[Old Rocks]

doing the carbon tax correctly: don't do the carbon tax.

carbon gives life and food. plus, we are carbon based lifeforms. the more carbon the better.

Salt is absolutely essential to life. So why don't you just up and eat a quart of it? I mean, after all, it is essential to life, therefore it cannot harm you.

In this thread:

Old Rocks explains that sodium chloride is exactly the same as carbon dioxide. Well played, sir.

You are foolish enough to state that the massive increase in CO2 that we are seeing is all to the good because CO2 is neccessary to life. The analogy that I used was just as accurate as your statement.

CO2 is neccessary to life. Too little in the atmosphere, and you get a snowball earth. It has happened in the geological past. However, too much, and particularly, too much too rapidly, and you get an extinction event. That too has happened several times in the geological past. The physics of the atmosphere does not care whether the rapid rise is from Trapp Volcanics, or a certain naked ape burning fossil fuels.

 

[Liberty]

Salt is absolutely essential to life. So why don't you just up and eat a quart of it? I mean, after all, it is essential to life, therefore it cannot harm you.

In this thread:

Old Rocks explains that sodium chloride is exactly the same as carbon dioxide. Well played, sir.

You are foolish enough to state that the massive increase in CO2 that we are seeing is all to the good because CO2 is neccessary to life. The analogy that I used was just as accurate as your statement.

CO2 is neccessary to life. Too little in the atmosphere, and you get a snowball earth. It has happened in the geological past. However, too much, and particularly, too much too rapidly, and you get an extinction event. That too has happened several times in the geological past. The physics of the atmosphere does not care whether the rapid rise is from Trapp Volcanics, or a certain naked ape burning fossil fuels.

In this thread:

Old Rocks explains that the meteor that killed the dinosaurs was caused by CO2.

 

[Old Rocks]

In this thread:

Old Rocks explains that sodium chloride is exactly the same as carbon dioxide. Well played, sir.

You are foolish enough to state that the massive increase in CO2 that we are seeing is all to the good because CO2 is neccessary to life. The analogy that I used was just as accurate as your statement.

CO2 is neccessary to life. Too little in the atmosphere, and you get a snowball earth. It has happened in the geological past. However, too much, and particularly, too much too rapidly, and you get an extinction event. That too has happened several times in the geological past. The physics of the atmosphere does not care whether the rapid rise is from Trapp Volcanics, or a certain naked ape burning fossil fuels.

In this thread:

Old Rocks explains that the meteor that killed the dinosaurs was caused by CO2.

Oh my, we have a real dumb ass here. There are five known major extinction events. One of them has been shown to be the result of an impact. And even that one may have been aided and abetted by the Trapp Volcanism in India at that time.

Methane catastrophe