Doing Nothing Seems To Be A Winner

[Mr. Shaman]

Hey Sparky...

Thanks for the thanks on my post on the real problems that need addressed to fix the deficit. No one gets the whole Trade Deficit thing. If we don't fix that, we are screwed. I love the fact that our own people complain about a $22B budget to help our poorest and weakest people in this country, but no one wants to address the $500B of annual welfare we give to Communist China ALONE in the form of the trade deficit. Add up the rest of the countries we lose money to every damned year and I'd be willing to bet that it comes close to a Trillion dollars leaving our country EVERY YEAR that doesn't come back.

Hey....C'MON!!!!

You got something against.....

.....CAPITALI$M??!!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

$2.3 trillion missing from the Pentagon and these fakes are talking about pushing granny off the clif.

Maybe you could convince Republicans that the Pentagon SHOULDN'T be....

.....OFF-LIMITS!!!!

 

[Steelplate]

If corporations are "persons" why are they not limited to donations like any other person?

Because the SCOTUS concluded otherwise. You ever see those campaign ads on TV that come from sketchy sounding patriotic names like "citizens united", "Concerned Taxpayers" and the like?

They are generally fronts for Corporations. There is even some suggestion that the Chamber of Commerce collected money from outside the US and tossed it into the Mid term elections.

The Chamber and Foreign Contributions | FactCheck.org

I used the website Factcheck.org to use an unbiased source. Granted, the Chamber assures us that they aren't doing that. But, they won't reveal how they segregate the funds.

The way I see it is this... If Planned Parenthood gets the "taxpayer's money for abortions" blame(even though their records are public and meticulous), then The Chamber of Commerce can take the blame for foreign money supporting the GOP.

 

[mudwhistle]

Nd

That we need to get the arterial bleeding of the national debt into line with reality is unquestionably true.

The question is how do we do that?

End the Fed
Close all foreign military bases and bring all troops home
Cancel Nafta
Stop all foreign aid

For starters.

Ron Paul supporter.

I suggest getting rid of the EPA, the IRS, the Department of Education, and pulling out of Iraq, and Afghanistan.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nd

That we need to get the arterial bleeding of the national debt into line with reality is unquestionably true.

The question is how do we do that?

End the Fed
Close all foreign military bases and bring all troops home
Cancel Nafta
Stop all foreign aid

For starters.

Ron Paul supporter.

I suggest getting rid of the EPA, the IRS, the Department of Education, and pulling out of Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Don't forget the DEA and ATF.

 

[bripat9643]

It's safer to do nothing then do anything about the debt.

Interesting, that’s the GOP mantra as well: either the House is holding inane hearings on ‘scary Muslims’ or killing social programs – neither having anything to do with a sincere effort to address the debt.

What could possibly be more pertinent to resolving the debt issue than scaling back Democrat social spending boondoggles?

 

[bripat9643]

If corporations are "persons" why are they not limited to donations like any other person?

They are.

 

[mudwhistle]

Anyway, you can see now that nothing is getting explained because when they try to every butt-reaming asshole out there with an agenda starts in on them.

So this is the problem as I see it.
Newt saw what happens when you buck the right and the left only believes in one solution, blowing up the economy with huge tax increases.

 

[uscitizen]

'Doin' Nuthin' redefined>

Interesting how that pie chart shows interest on the debt as interest on non military spending.
And yet military spending is 44% of our spending.

 

[bripat9643]

Your pie chart doesn't include Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid.

In other words, it's propaganda. It's pure horseshit.

We can therefore disregard anything you have to say on this subject.

People aren't going to take you seriously when you're such an obvious hosebag.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Your pie chart doesn't include Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid.

In other words, it's propaganda. It's pure horseshit.

We can therefore disregard anything you have to say on this subject.

People aren't going to take you seriously when you're such an obvious hosebag.

Those are not part of the budget. That is why they are not in there.

 

[Jack Fate]

Liberals are not responsible citizens when it comes to spending. They will lie, misrepresent, misdirect,, etc. It's not in them to be fiscally responsible. Fiscal responsibility and liberalism cannot be used in the same sentence. When the bottom falls out, the logical thing for a liberal to do is blame rich white people. In this case, it's the mean nasty Tea Party racist white people. Simple.

 

[mudwhistle]

'Doin' Nuthin' redefined>

Interesting how that pie chart shows interest on the debt as interest on non military spending.
And yet military spending is 44% of our spending.

You're pie-chart is 2 years old. Problem is we don't have a budget so nowone knows how the money is being spent "officially".

 

[Too Tall]

The point is they aren't talking about killing social programs like Medicare.

Guess you fell for the bullshit.

no... they aren't talking about killing it... just privatizing it and handing out vouchers that force our elderly to pay on average $6k more/year on fixed incomes... yeah, they're all heart.

You do have a link to that bullshit!

 

[mudwhistle]

Speaking of doing nothing, Paul Ryan's budget failed pretty much along party lines. 53-44.

Obama's budget got even less losing 97-0.

Not one Democrat voted for ether budget.


Like I said, the Democrats think doing nothing is a winner.

 

[bripat9643]

Your pie chart doesn't include Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid.

In other words, it's propaganda. It's pure horseshit.

We can therefore disregard anything you have to say on this subject.

People aren't going to take you seriously when you're such an obvious hosebag.

Those are not part of the budget. That is why they are not in there.

Yes, they most certainly are part of the budget, dipstick.

Liberals are so stupid and gullible it defies comprehension.

 

[editec]

Your pie chart doesn't include Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid.

In other words, it's propaganda. It's pure horseshit.

We can therefore disregard anything you have to say on this subject.

People aren't going to take you seriously when you're such an obvious hosebag.

Those are not part of the budget. That is why they are not in there.

Yes, they most certainly are part of the budget, dipstick.

Liberals are so stupid and gullible it defies comprehension.

I believe what the chart represents are those items which BY CURRENT LAW, actaully can be cut.


Did you note the other expense that are not on that pie chart, BiPat?

The interest on the debt/

I think that paying the interest on the debt is about 25% of the current cost of our government, and that cost isn't there either.

That's because that debt must be paid....by law and cannot be cut back

Likewise Social Security must be paid because it too is a DEBT owed (remember the SS system owns $2.7 trillion dollars worth our governments T Bills?)

So nobody is a liar, but the chart didn't clearly explain what it represented.

Those are the line items that CAN be cut.

 

[mudwhistle]

Your pie chart doesn't include Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid.

In other words, it's propaganda. It's pure horseshit.

We can therefore disregard anything you have to say on this subject.

People aren't going to take you seriously when you're such an obvious hosebag.

Those are not part of the budget. That is why they are not in there.

Yes, they most certainly are part of the budget, dipstick.

Liberals are so stupid and gullible it defies comprehension.

You would think it was, but they have a separate fund for Social Security and Medicare.

So it doesn't fall into the budget.

Problem is Congress has been borrowing from the fund for decades running up the debt in the process. About half a trillion dollars every year. This is one of the reasons Medicare is going broke.

The dirty little secret is that both parties have borrowed from the fund in the form of "Intragovernmental loans" running up the debt and bankrupting Social Security and Medicare in the process.

We all can control what we will owe in income taxes, but the Medicare/Social Security fund is a rate we cannot touch.

 

[candycorn]

Looks like the Dems have done their work. It appears that the lemmings out there don't want changes. It's safer to do nothing then do anything about the debt. Nobody really understands how serious it is. The Dems obviously don't care because their voters are so against the GOP they'll believe any lie that is told to them. Taking into account the disarray of the Republican party all it took was a lying Democrat claiming he was a Tea Party member to swing the balance of an election back to the Democrats.

The Dems broke it, blamed it on the GOP and now that the GOP is trying to fix what the Dems broke, they're catching hell for it.

This isn't the way it's supposed to work. When an irresponsible party gets caught doing this he's supposed to be the one who pays the price, but instead those who have been acting responsibly are the ones paying for this.

For awhile people got wise and started to clean out some of the Democrats but not enough to do the job. Now the Dems have found a winner with this "Kill Medicare" nonsense. You see when the truth isn't a barrier to you it's easy to mislead when you have the resources to make it seem legit.

Nothing offered is gonna kill Medicare unless we do nothing, but there's too much misinformation, too many lies out there so that nobody knows what's going on. One thing has become clear, if you try to fix it you just become a target.

It's frustrating watching this. In the past they would only gut the military so they could spread the nation's wealth to their friends, and trust me, the military is suffering. Sure, they're spending lots of cash but not wisely. Many Army posts are nearing the mission failure point because of the way funds are being spent. Billions have been spent on new barracks, new facilities, and remodeling, but next to nothing is going to repairs and maintenance of those facilities. Contractors are cutting corners on everything because nobody is making sure the job is done right. For example: They've been installing new "energy saving" controls to the heating and air-conditioning systems all over Ft Campbell the last 3 years but they don't make sure it actually works before they take off with their government cash. A one year warranty is all we get for something that was overpriced and does not do what it was designed to do.

This is the government. Inefficiency is rampant. Add to that a party that was bent on spending us into this state of debt and it seems like this is all gonna collapse. Fairly painless methods have been offered by the GOP and ridiculous methods have been offered by the President. Both failed miserably in the Senate yesterday.

Okay. Let's wait till next year, give in to panic that is sure to take place and let Obama have his massive tax-increases. That is what he wants after all.

Let's see how that feels folks. Because that's what this is leading up to. If nothing is done then that will be the only option.

Okay, go back to watching American Friggen Idol now.

I thought American Idol was off for the season. Thanks for the good news.
Maybe we can get rid of the F35 and Virginia class sub programs...it would save billions now and likely a trillion over the life of what we don't spend.

Good news about Idol though.

Health Care Reform is a mixed bag but I think that a great many Americans are going to really like what they see when the package is fully implemented. The Congressional Budget Office (the one th GOP runs) says it will save $134 Billion over 10 years. I think that many, if not most, won't see the true benefits of the reform because many of us never have to settle for the Public Health system. In other words, now that yours and my kids can stay on our insurance until they are 26, they won't have to worry about not being able to go to the doctor due to little or no insurance. They can stay on yours and mine. So they don't clog the public health agencies with check ups and the truly needy are allowed to get seen quicker. While this is a great thing, I know the GOP doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the indigent healthcare benefits. But what they say they care about is cutting the budget. Obamacare, if you will, has something for them too. You and I aren't paying for their health care, Humana, Blue Cross, United Healthcare, etc... are until they are 26.

Now I would have liked to have seen him swing for the fences and include anybody in your family over 65 as well or a 2 for 1 as to where you can take care of 1 parent or 2 kids (your choice). Then it would have been a grand slam; right now, it was just a solo home run.

Cash for Clunkers. Again a mixed bag but the program ran out of money. The evidence shows it was popular and got a great many cars off the street that were polluting the air. I'd call this a 2 RBI single.

Repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. One of the most bizarre things ever. "It's okay if you're gay and serving...as long as you don't tell us". Grand Slam in the bottom of the 9th.

We're out of Iraq. Bush, I think, did what he thought was right and went in; I wish he had not phrased it as he did with WMDs and "a new front in the war on terror" but in the final analysis George hit a home run and added to the stability of the region and the world. And the precious natural resource-oil. But after Saddam was toppled, the bungling ensued. President Obama ended our major involvement in the ITO. He re-focused on Afghanistan where our real enemies always were. Leg Double; should have happened sooner in my view but the mission was complex to say the very least.

Shuttering the Shuttle Program. I think this may have started under Bush. Credit Obama for not stealing a Kennedy moment and going with the "We will land a man on Mars by 2020"...I fully expected him to do so. Texas Leaguer.

Appointing a Latina to the SCOUS....under heavy pressure to put another African American on the bench. Line drive up the middle.

Bailing out GM. Wasn't really an option. How he did it was masterful though; purchasing stock. Call it working the count for an intentional walk; hell GWB could have done it. He also used GWB's TARP money to do so if memory serves. Money was printed anyway; he just used it to save jobs instead of propping up some dude in the Middle East.

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like the Dems have done their work. It appears that the lemmings out there don't want changes. It's safer to do nothing then do anything about the debt. Nobody really understands how serious it is. The Dems obviously don't care because their voters are so against the GOP they'll believe any lie that is told to them. Taking into account the disarray of the Republican party all it took was a lying Democrat claiming he was a Tea Party member to swing the balance of an election back to the Democrats.

The Dems broke it, blamed it on the GOP and now that the GOP is trying to fix what the Dems broke, they're catching hell for it.

This isn't the way it's supposed to work. When an irresponsible party gets caught doing this he's supposed to be the one who pays the price, but instead those who have been acting responsibly are the ones paying for this.

For awhile people got wise and started to clean out some of the Democrats but not enough to do the job. Now the Dems have found a winner with this "Kill Medicare" nonsense. You see when the truth isn't a barrier to you it's easy to mislead when you have the resources to make it seem legit.

Nothing offered is gonna kill Medicare unless we do nothing, but there's too much misinformation, too many lies out there so that nobody knows what's going on. One thing has become clear, if you try to fix it you just become a target.

It's frustrating watching this. In the past they would only gut the military so they could spread the nation's wealth to their friends, and trust me, the military is suffering. Sure, they're spending lots of cash but not wisely. Many Army posts are nearing the mission failure point because of the way funds are being spent. Billions have been spent on new barracks, new facilities, and remodeling, but next to nothing is going to repairs and maintenance of those facilities. Contractors are cutting corners on everything because nobody is making sure the job is done right. For example: They've been installing new "energy saving" controls to the heating and air-conditioning systems all over Ft Campbell the last 3 years but they don't make sure it actually works before they take off with their government cash. A one year warranty is all we get for something that was overpriced and does not do what it was designed to do.

This is the government. Inefficiency is rampant. Add to that a party that was bent on spending us into this state of debt and it seems like this is all gonna collapse. Fairly painless methods have been offered by the GOP and ridiculous methods have been offered by the President. Both failed miserably in the Senate yesterday.

Okay. Let's wait till next year, give in to panic that is sure to take place and let Obama have his massive tax-increases. That is what he wants after all.

Let's see how that feels folks. Because that's what this is leading up to. If nothing is done then that will be the only option.

Okay, go back to watching American Friggen Idol now.

I thought American Idol was off for the season. Thanks for the good news.
Maybe we can get rid of the F35 and Virginia class sub programs...it would save billions now and likely a trillion over the life of what we don't spend.

Good news about Idol though.

Health Care Reform is a mixed bag but I think that a great many Americans are going to really like what they see when the package is fully implemented. The Congressional Budget Office (the one th GOP runs) says it will save $134 Billion over 10 years. I think that many, if not most, won't see the true benefits of the reform because many of us never have to settle for the Public Health system. In other words, now that yours and my kids can stay on our insurance until they are 26, they won't have to worry about not being able to go to the doctor due to little or no insurance. They can stay on yours and mine. So they don't clog the public health agencies with check ups and the truly needy are allowed to get seen quicker. While this is a great thing, I know the GOP doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the indigent healthcare benefits. But what they say they care about is cutting the budget. Obamacare, if you will, has something for them too. You and I aren't paying for their health care, Humana, Blue Cross, United Healthcare, etc... are until they are 26.

Now I would have liked to have seen him swing for the fences and include anybody in your family over 65 as well or a 2 for 1 as to where you can take care of 1 parent or 2 kids (your choice). Then it would have been a grand slam; right now, it was just a solo home run.

Cash for Clunkers. Again a mixed bag but the program ran out of money. The evidence shows it was popular and got a great many cars off the street that were polluting the air. I'd call this a 2 RBI single.

Repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. One of the most bizarre things ever. "It's okay if you're gay and serving...as long as you don't tell us". Grand Slam in the bottom of the 9th.

We're out of Iraq. Bush, I think, did what he thought was right and went in; I wish he had not phrased it as he did with WMDs and "a new front in the war on terror" but in the final analysis George hit a home run and added to the stability of the region and the world. And the precious natural resource-oil. But after Saddam was toppled, the bungling ensued. President Obama ended our major involvement in the ITO. He re-focused on Afghanistan where our real enemies always were. Leg Double; should have happened sooner in my view but the mission was complex to say the very least.

Shuttering the Shuttle Program. I think this may have started under Bush. Credit Obama for not stealing a Kennedy moment and going with the "We will land a man on Mars by 2020"...I fully expected him to do so. Texas Leaguer.

Appointing a Latina to the SCOUS....under heavy pressure to put another African American on the bench. Line drive up the middle.

Bailing out GM. Wasn't really an option. How he did it was masterful though; purchasing stock. Call it working the count for an intentional walk; hell GWB could have done it. He also used GWB's TARP money to do so if memory serves. Money was printed anyway; he just used it to save jobs instead of propping up some dude in the Middle East.

Thank you for that positive spin on Obama's policies.

If you believe all of that garbage then you need to go back to watching A.I. re-runs, because you're hopeless. Maybe that way you will forget about voting and thus do less damage.