Does this make any sense?

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In Obama's news conference he stressed the importance of providing the education America needs to compete in the 21st century. This comes on the news that US students ranked 14th in reading, 17th in science, 25th in math. South Korea, Finland. Singapore, China and Canada are not only kicking our ass in the trade war but are insuring their future success by better educating their kids.

In order to reduce budgets a number of states are:
. Cutting AP (Advanced Placement) classes. These are the classes that provide advanced education in Math, Science, Economics, and Languages, to our brightest students.
. Class sizes are rising throughout the country.
. College tuition is rising. The tuition at USC this year is over $40,000 bringing the cost of a 4 year education to over $200,000. How many American families can afford this?

If America's future depends on how well we train our kids to compete in tomorrow's world, we are in big trouble.


'Wake-up call': U.S. students trail global leaders - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
USC-FBS - sfs - Estimated Costs 2010-2011
Schools Consider Cutting AP Courses
 
Last time we were on top of the education pile the top tax braket was in the 80s to 90s
 
Last time we were on top of the education pile the top tax braket was in the 80s to 90s
You're probably correct. Education has been improving in the US but it's improving elsewhere a lot faster. Since education is the biggest component of most state budgets, when times are hard, education is cut. To compete in the world our kids are going to have to be a lot smarter, but with the deficit and the war between the right and left, I don't see any major emphases on education coming anytime soon.
 
"A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives... it is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity." -- James Madison; letter to W. T. Barry (1822)
 
Want to improve education? Simple. Don't need an increase in budget or salaries, don't need a decrease in class size. The parents make it happen. If they don't, I don't care who says what, the scores will not remain competitive with the rest of the world. Education started going downhill when parents stopped putting their boots up their kids' asses for not striving their utmost.
 
In Obama's news conference he stressed the importance of providing the education America needs to compete in the 21st century. This comes on the news that US students ranked 14th in reading, 17th in science, 25th in math. South Korea, Finland. Singapore, China and Canada are not only kicking our ass in the trade war but are insuring their future success by better educating their kids.

In order to reduce budgets a number of states are:
. Cutting AP (Advanced Placement) classes. These are the classes that provide advanced education in Math, Science, Economics, and Languages, to our brightest students.
. Class sizes are rising throughout the country.
. College tuition is rising. The tuition at USC this year is over $40,000 bringing the cost of a 4 year education to over $200,000. How many American families can afford this?

If America's future depends on how well we train our kids to compete in tomorrow's world, we are in big trouble.


'Wake-up call': U.S. students trail global leaders - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
USC-FBS - sfs - Estimated Costs 2010-2011
Schools Consider Cutting AP Courses

That is money well spent to go to the best university in America, USC.
 
Want to improve education? Simple. Don't need an increase in budget or salaries, don't need a decrease in class size. The parents make it happen. If they don't, I don't care who says what, the scores will not remain competitive with the rest of the world. Education started going downhill when parents stopped putting their boots up their kids' asses for not striving their utmost.

Couldn't think of argument against this even if my life depended on it.
 
If you want to be very non politically correct and brutally honest look at race in this equation. America was a lot whiter in the '50's when tests scores were higher than it is today. Los Angeles Unified School District is (besides being huge) over 50% hispanic for example. Many of the students, whether here legally or illegally, don't speak English as their first language. As a result there's little chance they are going to be as competitive on test scores as one's born and raised in the U.S. in English speaking homes. That's just reality.

Now that of course is not the only cause for our education challenges. As has been accurately mentioned parental involvement is a huge one. And then the fact that there is a large bureaucracy that has a vested interest in keeping the education status quo and fighting against change.
 
"It is only when the people become ignorant and corrupt, when they degenerate into a populace, that they are incapable of exercising the sovereignty. Usurpation is then an easy attainment... Let us by all wise and constitutional measures promote intelligence among the people as the best means of preserving our liberties." -- James Monroe; 'First Inaugural Address'
 
Want to improve education? Simple. Don't need an increase in budget or salaries, don't need a decrease in class size. The parents make it happen. If they don't, I don't care who says what, the scores will not remain competitive with the rest of the world. Education started going downhill when parents stopped putting their boots up their kids' asses for not striving their utmost.
The idea that parents should be involved in the education of the kids started with the first schools in the US. For at least 50 years, probably at lot longer, we have been blaming parents for the poor quality of education. If we take the attitude that parents much change the way they handle their kids, then it's hopeless because they aren't going to change.

One of major reasons our educational system is failing is that we don't take education seriously in this country. Children spend on average 5 1/2 hours a day in school. In contrast a typical high school student in China begins the school day at 7 am. Schools ends about 5:00pm. That's 10 hours a day in school. They also spend considerable more days in school. In the US most students are off nearly 3 months in summer plus a semester break plus Christmas break, plus teacher conference days plus teacher training days and other holidays. In fact, students go to school less than half the year, 180 days. How successful do you think businesses would be in the US if they were only open 5 1/2 hours a day for half the year?

Unlike much of the rest of the world there is little competition among students. In China for example, whether you can go to high school depends on how well you do in middle school.

No, parents are not the not the answer. As a nation, we have to take education seriously and commit the resources. If we don't, the future is going to be pretty bleak.
 
Want to improve education? Simple. Don't need an increase in budget or salaries, don't need a decrease in class size. The parents make it happen. If they don't, I don't care who says what, the scores will not remain competitive with the rest of the world. Education started going downhill when parents stopped putting their boots up their kids' asses for not striving their utmost.
The idea that parents should be involved in the education of the kids started with the first schools in the US. For at least 50 years, probably at lot longer, we have been blaming parents for the poor quality of education. If we take the attitude that parents much change the way they handle their kids, then it's hopeless because they aren't going to change.

One of major reasons our educational system is failing is that we don't take education seriously in this country. Children spend on average 5 1/2 hours a day in school. In contrast a typical high school student in China begins the school day at 7 am. Schools ends about 5:00pm. That's 10 hours a day in school. They also spend considerable more days in school. In the US most students are off nearly 3 months in summer plus a semester break plus Christmas break, plus teacher conference days plus teacher training days and other holidays. In fact, students go to school less than half the year, 180 days. How successful do you think businesses would be in the US if they were only open 5 1/2 hours a day for half the year?

Unlike much of the rest of the world there is little competition among students. In China for example, whether you can go to high school depends on how well you do in middle school.

No, parents are not the not the answer. As a nation, we have to take education seriously and commit the resources. If we don't, the future is going to be pretty bleak.

Sorry man but to say parents play no role is just not right. Obviously with education there are a number of issues including the length of the school day as you mention above. But to say there is no difference between parents that emphasize and push education to their children vs. parents who don't give a flying f*ck is just not accurate.
 
In Obama's news conference he stressed the importance of providing the education America needs to compete in the 21st century. This comes on the news that US students ranked 14th in reading, 17th in science, 25th in math. South Korea, Finland. Singapore, China and Canada are not only kicking our ass in the trade war but are insuring their future success by better educating their kids.

In order to reduce budgets a number of states are:
. Cutting AP (Advanced Placement) classes. These are the classes that provide advanced education in Math, Science, Economics, and Languages, to our brightest students.
. Class sizes are rising throughout the country.
. College tuition is rising. The tuition at USC this year is over $40,000 bringing the cost of a 4 year education to over $200,000. How many American families can afford this?

If America's future depends on how well we train our kids to compete in tomorrow's world, we are in big trouble.


Does this make any sense?

Well sure it makes sense.

Back in 86', William Casey (CIA Director) remarked on the POWs left behind in Vietnam, and his quote seems relevant here, "The nation knows they are there...Everybody knows they are there..., but there is no groundswell of support from the American people for getting the men out."

There is just no groundswell, even though everybody all ready knows it. They just don't give a damn, and that is the end of the subject.:(
 
"A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives... it is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity." -- James Madison; letter to W. T. Barry (1822)

So James Madison embraces the General Welfare clause.:eusa_angel:
 
Want to improve education? Simple. Don't need an increase in budget or salaries, don't need a decrease in class size. The parents make it happen. If they don't, I don't care who says what, the scores will not remain competitive with the rest of the world. Education started going downhill when parents stopped putting their boots up their kids' asses for not striving their utmost.

LOL! That would have had to have been a long leg for two parents struggling to survive and Latch-Key children roaming the streets. But hey, maybe a long boot would have reached home. Maybe mom should have had the kid come to work where she could tutor him while she did her job, huh?
 
Last time we were on top of the education pile the top tax braket was in the 80s to 90s

Correlation does not imply causation. Education started going downhill when we taught kids that their feelings are more important than their test scores.

Speaking of correlation, I suppose you have a scientific study to back up your bullshit?? LMAO!!:lol::lol:
 
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Maybe we should face the reality of the situation blatantly evident on this thread.

American children are just ignorant fucks, and the people who should know why are too ignorant at this point in time, are too stupid to figure it out. Kind of like Intellectual regression of the human species in America. Apparently we are even too fucking dumb to ask for help from people who do know.
 
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Want to improve education? Simple. Don't need an increase in budget or salaries, don't need a decrease in class size. The parents make it happen. If they don't, I don't care who says what, the scores will not remain competitive with the rest of the world. Education started going downhill when parents stopped putting their boots up their kids' asses for not striving their utmost.
The idea that parents should be involved in the education of the kids started with the first schools in the US. For at least 50 years, probably at lot longer, we have been blaming parents for the poor quality of education. If we take the attitude that parents much change the way they handle their kids, then it's hopeless because they aren't going to change.

One of major reasons our educational system is failing is that we don't take education seriously in this country. Children spend on average 5 1/2 hours a day in school. In contrast a typical high school student in China begins the school day at 7 am. Schools ends about 5:00pm. That's 10 hours a day in school. They also spend considerable more days in school. In the US most students are off nearly 3 months in summer plus a semester break plus Christmas break, plus teacher conference days plus teacher training days and other holidays. In fact, students go to school less than half the year, 180 days. How successful do you think businesses would be in the US if they were only open 5 1/2 hours a day for half the year?

Unlike much of the rest of the world there is little competition among students. In China for example, whether you can go to high school depends on how well you do in middle school.

No, parents are not the not the answer. As a nation, we have to take education seriously and commit the resources. If we don't, the future is going to be pretty bleak.

Sorry man but to say parents play no role is just not right. Obviously with education there are a number of issues including the length of the school day as you mention above. But to say there is no difference between parents that emphasize and push education to their children vs. parents who don't give a flying f*ck is just not accurate.
Absolutely, parents do need to play a part in their kids education. They should encourage kids and help them as best they can. I'm just saying that's not near enough. Schools have to do a lot more.

The crazy system we have where kids go to school only half the year and only half the day goes back to the days when kids had to help bring in the crops and had hours of chores they had to do each day. Today, most kids don't really have that much do when they get home. That's why they spend so many hours watching TV and texting.
 
Want to improve education? Simple. Don't need an increase in budget or salaries, don't need a decrease in class size. The parents make it happen. If they don't, I don't care who says what, the scores will not remain competitive with the rest of the world. Education started going downhill when parents stopped putting their boots up their kids' asses for not striving their utmost.

LOL! That would have had to have been a long leg for two parents struggling to survive and Latch-Key children roaming the streets. But hey, maybe a long boot would have reached home. Maybe mom should have had the kid come to work where she could tutor him while she did her job, huh?

Do the pity party elsewhere, shintao, for you are giving an excuse not a reason. I know many single parents whose kids do well in school and some kids who have the two-parent family do poorly. In nearly every case of success, the close involvement of the parent(s) is there.
 
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