Gunny
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I hear something, but I don't see anything to refute what is fact .......
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mattskramer said:This is so old. Muslims can coexist in a democracy with people of different religions. They do so in America. Nice job of selecting quotes to support your bias. I can do the same.
mattskramer said:This is so old. Muslims can coexist in a democracy with people of different religions. They do so in America. Nice job of selecting quotes to support your bias. I can do the same.
-=d=- said:wow...except this is NOTHING to do with the crusades...so a modicum of research on the Crusades before relating them to a Religion of Terror.
Pale Rider said:BULLSHIT! It's CORE teaching is "KILL THE INFIDEL".
So here's a little something people should do with the koran...
Powerman said:I think what he means is that all religions of any decent size have had a negative affect on the world at some point. Christianity at one time was a barbaric religion of sorts. Luckily it is no longer this way. Islam on the other hand has plenty of barbaric followers and they are still in the stupid retrograde barbaric phase of their existence.
Twice in the past two weeks, I found myself disinvited from television shows when I objected to appearing with representatives of radical Islam or the far-left. In both cases, once each with CNN and MSNBC, I agreed to precede or follow these persons, but I refused to debate them, resulting in my exclusion.
I have two reasons for not going on American television with people who hate the United States. (Non-American television, and Al-Jazeera in particular, is a different story.)
The lesser reason is personal; appearing with Islamist motormouths and leftist attack-dogs is unpleasant. It often means refuting ad hominem calumnies and having to attack in turn. Besides the indignity involved, such vituperation can have unpleasant consequences. For example, my 2002 television debate with a far-leftist ended up distorted, at my expense, by an admirer of his in the pages of Newsweek magazine; fortunately, a full transcript of the show is available.
The more important reason for selective debate concerns extremism. For example, I have argued that television programmers should close their doors to one person because his fringe views preclude a constructive discussion (he lauded Chinese mass-murderer Mao Tse-tung for achievements which can hardly be overstated). After advocating this course of action, how can I then be party to this persons appearing on television?
Television offers a unique medium for getting ones ideas out to large numbers of people, especially when presented in a lively debate format, so I regret not appearing on screen. I find myself in a dilemma, wishing to accept television invitations but sometimes unable to.
This dilemma results from the flawed reasoning of television executives in democracies. My conversations with insiders reveal that they include extremists for three main reasons. First, because good viewer ratings are generated by impassioned, articulate, and known panelists with sharply clashing viewpoints. With this, I have no problem.
Second, todays media strives toward impartiality. For instance, a memo distributed to Canadian Broadcast Corporation staff cautions against using the words terrorist and terrorism, because these can leave journalists taking sides in a conflict. The conceit that media have no stake in the outcome of war is terribly wrong; just imagine how television talk shows would be after these same terrorists took over. (They did not flourish under the Taliban, to put it mildly.)
Third and quite contradictorily when pressed about the appropriateness of broadcasting the enemys view, producers assert they are doing a public service by exposing these. Is freedom of speech, they ask, not premised on the open marketplace of ideas? And does that not imply having faith that an informed citizenry will discern the sensible from the wrong-headed?
Yes, but also no. Freedom of speech means speaking ones mind, without fear of going to jail; it does not imply the privilege to address a television audience.
Further, while unfettered free political speech is critical to debate taxation rates, school curricula, abortion, or for whom to vote, it makes no sense to promulgate the enemy viewpoint when a country is at war. Even though the great majority of viewers, listeners, and readers will be repulsed by the views of extremists, no less surely will a small minority find these attractive and compelling. We saw, for example, how the prominent exposition of Osama bin Ladens ideas in 2001 inspired suicide bombers, including several of the London terrorists. If Bin Laden and his ilk can convince just one-tenth of 1 percent of Israeli Arabs, one thousand new suicide bombers have been formed.
Is this wise public policy?
The distinguished historian Conor Cruise OBrien thinks not. When he served as the Irish minister of posts and telecommunications in 1976, he imposed a ban on interviews with Sinn Fein-IRA terrorists, arguing that it was necessary to prevent them from spreading their message. For the same reason, the Russian foreign ministry expressed its strong indignation after Americas ABC television last week interviewed Chechen terrorist leader Shamil Basayev.
The ideal solution lies not in creating censors bureaus to pass judgment on television content but for media executives to accept their responsibilities in time of war. On their own initiative, they should exclude the enemys apologists and advocates. Lively debate does not require such people; patriots with sharply differing views.
Bonnie said:Which begs the answer to the original question of this thread? Or are we going to be more concerned with PC as opposed to oh maybe saving many lives???
Bonnie said:Which begs the answer to the original question of this thread? Or are we going to be more concerned with PC as opposed to oh maybe saving many lives???
http://www.americandaily.com/article/8543
Kathianne said:Well if the invading terrorists are there to blow up American soldiers, they are doing a piss poor job of it, they are killing Iraqis-a lot of them children.
The wealthy are the ones coming to US, Europe to kill us-see 9/11, UK, Madrid.
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