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No, no reason to get defensive. I think I didn't make myself clear. I was saying that rdean is what you claim conservatives are above.Jillian, have you met rdean?they need to make things up to feel better about themselves. apparently, they have no self-esteem without trying to actively diminish everyone who doesn't agree with their idiocy.
I'd suggest you criticize the twit He was responding to before you tar me with that brush.
Thanks, Dave. Appreciated.
And unless you consider yourself a wackjob, I wouldn't go getting all defensive if I were you.
Upon what data do you base the bolded?Peach174 posted this:Oversimplified bull shit generalizations. I think you'd be surprised how many liberals there are in the military. I went in a flaming liberal, got out a flaming liberal, it wasn't until much later in life that I became a cranky conservative before finally moderating my views.
I am sure there are some liberals in the military. I do not know one ex-military liberal. You do see one on TV every once in a while and you read from some on here sometimes, but they are scarce.
It's just that it comes down to the number's.
The majority of this nation is Conservative to moderate, compared to Liberals.
Conservative 42%
Moderate 35%
Liberal 20%
If we logically consider half of the moderates are left leaning that means the number of liberals are 37.5%, I don't call that scarce. However most who are considered moderates tend to be slightly more towards the left then the right so in actuality it's probably more of a 60/40 or 55/45 split, still not scarce in my book.
As for your personal experience, that's easily explained by social dynamics, people tend to gravitate towards that and those they are comfortable with and ignore that and those they are not comfortable with.
Does the military create conservatives?
More accurately it creates Republicans.
With the military personnel and ex-military voting in such large percentages as conservatives is it something that is created by training or experiences that causes this outlook on life? I personally think it is both in training where you are taught honor, responsibility, discipline, and how to push yourself both physically and mentally. In many cases it is also the experiences you recieve from other countries where we are stationed or where we do battle. We see how these views from the left turn out as there are so many failing countries in the world today with their type of government.
Peach174 posted this:I am sure there are some liberals in the military. I do not know one ex-military liberal. You do see one on TV every once in a while and you read from some on here sometimes, but they are scarce.
It's just that it comes down to the number's.
The majority of this nation is Conservative to moderate, compared to Liberals.
Conservative 42%
Moderate 35%
Liberal 20%
If we logically consider half of the moderates are left leaning that means the number of liberals are 37.5%, I don't call that scarce. However most who are considered moderates tend to be slightly more towards the left then the right so in actuality it's probably more of a 60/40 or 55/45 split, still not scarce in my book.
As for your personal experience, that's easily explained by social dynamics, people tend to gravitate towards that and those they are comfortable with and ignore that and those they are not comfortable with.
My dad is a WWII vet and has done volunteer work at one of the VA hospitals. I have gone with him and talked to many of the vets. I think you would have to agree that it would not be a hand picked group of friends that I choose to socialize with. It is true I did not talk politics with them but just what I heard it would be foolish to believe that 20% of veterans are liberals.
Peach174 posted this:
If we logically consider half of the moderates are left leaning that means the number of liberals are 37.5%, I don't call that scarce. However most who are considered moderates tend to be slightly more towards the left then the right so in actuality it's probably more of a 60/40 or 55/45 split, still not scarce in my book.
As for your personal experience, that's easily explained by social dynamics, people tend to gravitate towards that and those they are comfortable with and ignore that and those they are not comfortable with.
My dad is a WWII vet and has done volunteer work at one of the VA hospitals. I have gone with him and talked to many of the vets. I think you would have to agree that it would not be a hand picked group of friends that I choose to socialize with. It is true I did not talk politics with them but just what I heard it would be foolish to believe that 20% of veterans are liberals.
I'm a conservative moderate, to the wingnuts a RINO, many moderate liberals would be called Blue Dogs by the moonbats. Liberal and conservative isn't always what you think it is, there's no clearly defined demarcation lines until you start getting towards the extremes of both parties/philosophies which is why the Dems have generally been better at courting the moderate vote which was very evident since 2004.
The American Conservative » The Shifting Military Vote
Perhaps Dec. 8, 2004 was the day – the point where the “military vote” started peeling off from the Republican Party, for which it had been steadfastly true in majority numbers for at least 25 years. It was the day Army Spc.Thomas Wilson asked then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: “Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to uparmor our vehicles?”
To which Rumsfeld replied, “As you know, you have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want …”You can have all the armor in the world on a tank, and it can [still] be blown up.”
The right wing talkers, true to form, turned on the young man, calling him a tool of the journalist embedded with his unit — though Wilson’s question was met by whoops and cheers from the 2,300 military men and women in Rumsfeld’s audience at the Kuwaiti staging area that day. Apparently “support the troops,” didn’t extend to those exercising the First Amendment rights they were supposedly fighting for — but no mind — the message was broadcast as clear as a reveille: you are on your own.
My dad is a WWII vet and has done volunteer work at one of the VA hospitals. I have gone with him and talked to many of the vets. I think you would have to agree that it would not be a hand picked group of friends that I choose to socialize with. It is true I did not talk politics with them but just what I heard it would be foolish to believe that 20% of veterans are liberals.
I'm a conservative moderate, to the wingnuts a RINO, many moderate liberals would be called Blue Dogs by the moonbats. Liberal and conservative isn't always what you think it is, there's no clearly defined demarcation lines until you start getting towards the extremes of both parties/philosophies which is why the Dems have generally been better at courting the moderate vote which was very evident since 2004.
The American Conservative » The Shifting Military Vote
Perhaps Dec. 8, 2004 was the day the point where the military vote started peeling off from the Republican Party, for which it had been steadfastly true in majority numbers for at least 25 years. It was the day Army Spc.Thomas Wilson asked then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to uparmor our vehicles?
To which Rumsfeld replied, As you know, you have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want You can have all the armor in the world on a tank, and it can [still] be blown up.
The right wing talkers, true to form, turned on the young man, calling him a tool of the journalist embedded with his unit though Wilsons question was met by whoops and cheers from the 2,300 military men and women in Rumsfelds audience at the Kuwaiti staging area that day. Apparently support the troops, didnt extend to those exercising the First Amendment rights they were supposedly fighting for but no mind the message was broadcast as clear as a reveille: you are on your own.
This is pretty much right around the time where I made my anti-Republican turn while still active duty.
The behavior at the time (and it has just carried right on over to today) of the GOP, their media shills, and foot soldiers like the ones we see here at USMB drove me the fuck out of the party.
Being called a traitor, terrorist sympathizer, etc. after I separated and was free to speak my mind just galvanized me even further.
No way in fuck do I want to be associated with that.
I am sure that there are a few liberals that served in the military and some that respect military personnel, but all the people that truly hate and feel so superior to military personnel are always liberal. Maybe that is another thing that pushes military and ex-military into voting conservative in such large numbers.
I am sure that there are a few liberals that served in the military and some that respect military personnel, but all the people that truly hate and feel so superior to military personnel are always liberal. Maybe that is another thing that pushes military and ex-military into voting conservative in such large numbers.
Yeah. Rumsfeld just loved the Army. Rummy had a bit of a reality check when he realized that the Air Force and the high tech gadgets he was enamored with couldn't win a war.
So keep telling yourself that.
Unless you use nukes of course you need boots on the ground. Could you tell me what that has to do with my statement about the disrespect from liberals on the military?
We lowered the standard and liberals got in.
Yeah that's what happened.
You can't dispute my post so you come up with some silly comment, very weak.
Not at all your perpetual saltiness. I had to go on a mission and only had time for a quick one liner. The vast majority of blacks and hispanics who enter the military are liberal???? fact check maybe? You are guessing kind of hard there since Im black and in the military and a conservative and many of my black military friends are also conservative. Now can we see stats alcohol, spousal abuse and debt claims?????
Unless you use nukes of course you need boots on the ground. Could you tell me what that has to do with my statement about the disrespect from liberals on the military?
Both sides have their contingent of people who have disdain for the military. They just express it differently.
At least the people that simply talk shit about the military have no power.
As opposed to jack-nuts like Rumsfeld and Chaney who view the military as catalysts for the political science experiments.
Sorry if you didn't have that figured out before.
