Does the middle class have a future?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Weird how it coincided with Reaganomics as the top 1% has skyrocketed 275%

dear, it coincided with globalization around 1980. If you want to restore the middle and lower class simple make liberal unions taxes and deficts illegal. Make 20 million illegals illegal and for good measure end the liberal war on the schools and family.

 

[Dad2three]

Weird how it coincided with Reaganomics as the top 1% has skyrocketed 275%

dear, it coincided with globalization around 1980. If you want to restore the middle and lower class simple make liberal unions taxes and deficts illegal. Make 20 million illegals illegal and for good measure end the liberal war on the schools and family.

More right wing nonsense

For the 7th time, you still sleeping with your mom Bubba?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

More right wing nonsense

of course if it was nonsense the liberal would not be so afraid to say why it is nonsense. What does your fear teach us??

 

[initforme]

Why yes dear it is the union worker making 40 grand a year, barely scraping by on that measly pittance that is the problem. Tax breaks for the wealthy are needed. Get rid of SS and Medicare, raise taxes on the middle class and lower class, get rid of all pensions, zero percent taxes for the corporations, all environmental regulations eliminated, and massive cuts in education. Did I miss any of the talking points ?

 

[initforme]

Oh triple military spending. Forgot that. Also, insurance only for the 1 percent. Forgot that one too. Forgive me.

 

[whitehall]

The American so-called "middle class" is fiction. It's a conglomerate of college grads and Civil Service workers, Military Veterans and millions of people (including legal and illegal aliens) who found the greatest and most tolerant Country in the world perfect for business and freedom. The Middle class isn't a political target or a plantation that the democrat party can try to grow and cultivate. The American middle class consists of smart dynamic people who want to succeed with or without (preferably without) governmental interference. Lefties who whine about the alleged decline of the middle class are usually left wing hypocrites who hate America and yet enjoy all the perks of the American middle class.

 

[initforme]

The middle class are the ones who do the heavy lifting so our glorious corporations can make their record profits. The middle class IS a political target that is being squeezed out slowly but surely. This is proved by the growing income gaps. The very things the middle class needs such as SS, Medicare, Medicaid, pensions, must be protected if that group of people is going to not keep going backwards. Those things mentioned above are bastardized by a group of people who see the middle class as a threat. Why? Because they have to pay some taxes. Whines they are. They want all the services without having to pay for it.

 

[LeftofLeft]

And using GOP's trickle down will eventually work right? BESIDES for the 1%ers? lol

Why are you asking me about trickle down economics?
What have I posted that expresses anything about trickle down economics?
Why would I entertain your desire to chase your tail around in circles when it is evident that you don't have a clue what you are talking about and cannot even follow a discussion that involves anything I have posted?

.

I get it Bubba, you can't stick to the topic as was started and continually want to dodge EVERYTHING that was presented. I'm shocked, no really I am, lol

THE THREAD:

"Does the middle class have a future?"

TRICKLE DOWN BUBBA? LOL

Alternative: take, redistribute, eliminate any upward mobility, and lock in a true 1 percent. No thanks

 

[Alex.]

Whether one is considered middle class is a state of mind.

As the bottom 90% of US wages has stagnated and the top 1/10th of 1% % of US has skyrocketed as their tax burden has plummeted

To label someone or something in a "class" is to create a pigeon hole and make it a target group. I am rich when I have some dough at the end of the week after paying bills, I am poor when I cannot pay my CC bill off in full. Like I said a state of mind.

Amazing how ANYONE on the bottom 90% of the income scale in the US Could hold a conservative view on economics, as if making sure the "job creators" continue to to do extraordinarily well as the rest of US languish. Simply amazing

State of mind? lol

Yes moron boi, obviously you let someone else do your thinking for you, label you then categorically treat you according to an artificial standard. You are just part of the supply chain of cash where those you allow to control your life and just reach into your pocket after busting your ass all week.

Seems to me you are part of the free phone crowd.

Reaganphones? Nah Bubba


Artificial standards? lol



Harder for Americans to Rise From Lower Rungs


But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Republican candidate for president, warned this fall that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review, a conservative thought leader, wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Even Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who argues that overall mobility remains high, recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”


Liberal commentators have long emphasized class, but the attention on the right is largely new.

“It’s becoming conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not have as much mobility as most other advanced countries,” said Isabel V. Sawhill, an economist at the Brookings Institution. “I don’t think you’ll find too many people who will argue with that.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=0

CBO finds that, between 1979 and 2007, income grew by:

275 percent for the top 1 percent of households,
65 percent for the next 19 percent,
Just under 40 percent for the next 60 percent, and
18 percent for the bottom 20 percent.

Those are very nice graphics. I am talking about self actuation which you clearly do not understand. Based on what you provided you were spoon fed a mindset and a level of expectation which you never rose above. Keep on believing in your own limitations that are set by others.

 

[Dad2three]

And using GOP's trickle down will eventually work right? BESIDES for the 1%ers? lol

Why are you asking me about trickle down economics?
What have I posted that expresses anything about trickle down economics?
Why would I entertain your desire to chase your tail around in circles when it is evident that you don't have a clue what you are talking about and cannot even follow a discussion that involves anything I have posted?

.

I get it Bubba, you can't stick to the topic as was started and continually want to dodge EVERYTHING that was presented. I'm shocked, no really I am, lol

THE THREAD:

"Does the middle class have a future?"

TRICKLE DOWN BUBBA? LOL

Alternative: take, redistribute, eliminate any upward mobility, and lock in a true 1 percent. No thanks

Sure WE CAN'T GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE REAGANOMICS RIGHT?


WE HAD NO 1%ERS THEN RIGHT?

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory


The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”


Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes

 

[Antares]

Weird how it coincided with Reaganomics as the top 1% has skyrocketed 275%

dear, it coincided with globalization around 1980. If you want to restore the middle and lower class simple make liberal unions taxes and deficts illegal. Make 20 million illegals illegal and for good measure end the liberal war on the schools and family.

More right wing nonsense

For the 7th time, you still sleeping with your mom Bubba?

Nope he is sleeping with yours, she is after all a ho......you don't even know who your daddy is do you?

 

[Dad2three]

As the bottom 90% of US wages has stagnated and the top 1/10th of 1% % of US has skyrocketed as their tax burden has plummeted

To label someone or something in a "class" is to create a pigeon hole and make it a target group. I am rich when I have some dough at the end of the week after paying bills, I am poor when I cannot pay my CC bill off in full. Like I said a state of mind.

Amazing how ANYONE on the bottom 90% of the income scale in the US Could hold a conservative view on economics, as if making sure the "job creators" continue to to do extraordinarily well as the rest of US languish. Simply amazing

State of mind? lol

Yes moron boi, obviously you let someone else do your thinking for you, label you then categorically treat you according to an artificial standard. You are just part of the supply chain of cash where those you allow to control your life and just reach into your pocket after busting your ass all week.

Seems to me you are part of the free phone crowd.

Reaganphones? Nah Bubba


Artificial standards? lol



Harder for Americans to Rise From Lower Rungs


But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Republican candidate for president, warned this fall that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review, a conservative thought leader, wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Even Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who argues that overall mobility remains high, recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”


Liberal commentators have long emphasized class, but the attention on the right is largely new.

“It’s becoming conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not have as much mobility as most other advanced countries,” said Isabel V. Sawhill, an economist at the Brookings Institution. “I don’t think you’ll find too many people who will argue with that.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=0

CBO finds that, between 1979 and 2007, income grew by:

275 percent for the top 1 percent of households,
65 percent for the next 19 percent,
Just under 40 percent for the next 60 percent, and
18 percent for the bottom 20 percent.

Those are very nice graphics. I am talking about self actuation which you clearly do not understand. Based on what you provided you were spoon fed a mindset and a level of expectation which you never rose above. Keep on believing in your own limitations that are set by others.

Oh you mean that mythical pull yourself up by your bootstraps BS? How does that work in MOST 3rd world nations again? Compare the US to other industrialized nations? lol



If it weren't for false premises, distortions and lies, what would the right EVER have???


ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of US history on ANY policy please?


Conservatives simplistic minds

If you are rich it is because of your merits. If you are poor its because of your faults.


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data Tax Foundation

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

 

[Dad2three]

Weird how it coincided with Reaganomics as the top 1% has skyrocketed 275%

dear, it coincided with globalization around 1980. If you want to restore the middle and lower class simple make liberal unions taxes and deficts illegal. Make 20 million illegals illegal and for good measure end the liberal war on the schools and family.

More right wing nonsense

For the 7th time, you still sleeping with your mom Bubba?

Nope he is sleeping with yours, she is after all a ho......you don't even know who your daddy is do you?

Sure Daddy... But your daughter AND son do love to swallow Bubba

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

"Does the middle class have a future?"

Not unless the Ideological Left is removed from any potential influence on US Governance.

 

[LeftofLeft]

And using GOP's trickle down will eventually work right? BESIDES for the 1%ers? lol

Why are you asking me about trickle down economics?
What have I posted that expresses anything about trickle down economics?
Why would I entertain your desire to chase your tail around in circles when it is evident that you don't have a clue what you are talking about and cannot even follow a discussion that involves anything I have posted?

.

I get it Bubba, you can't stick to the topic as was started and continually want to dodge EVERYTHING that was presented. I'm shocked, no really I am, lol

THE THREAD:

"Does the middle class have a future?"

TRICKLE DOWN BUBBA? LOL

Whiiiiiiiiiiine........

Facts hurt cons. I get it Bubba

Whose money is it? The Government's? The Peoples'? You want to take more hard earned money of someone who risked their money, time, and put effort? You run on that platform. Continue to demonize the risk takers. The people you really need to be demonizing are the wealthy, not the high income earners.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Do politicians allow businesses to off-shore out-source jobs un-penalized?

ROFLMNAO!

Joe Stalin? Is that YOU?

Hey man... those 25 million people ya slaughtered, are all still dead.

Tell me, is it really as hot as they say it it?

 

[Antares]

Weird how it coincided with Reaganomics as the top 1% has skyrocketed 275%

dear, it coincided with globalization around 1980. If you want to restore the middle and lower class simple make liberal unions taxes and deficts illegal. Make 20 million illegals illegal and for good measure end the liberal war on the schools and family.

More right wing nonsense

For the 7th time, you still sleeping with your mom Bubba?

Nope he is sleeping with yours, she is after all a ho......you don't even know who your daddy is do you?

Sure Daddy... But your daughter AND son do love to swallow Bubba

S'ok dude your momma slept with every guy on the west coast....we get it.....it hurts you but it is what it is.

 

[Alex.]

To label someone or something in a "class" is to create a pigeon hole and make it a target group. I am rich when I have some dough at the end of the week after paying bills, I am poor when I cannot pay my CC bill off in full. Like I said a state of mind.

Amazing how ANYONE on the bottom 90% of the income scale in the US Could hold a conservative view on economics, as if making sure the "job creators" continue to to do extraordinarily well as the rest of US languish. Simply amazing

State of mind? lol

Yes moron boi, obviously you let someone else do your thinking for you, label you then categorically treat you according to an artificial standard. You are just part of the supply chain of cash where those you allow to control your life and just reach into your pocket after busting your ass all week.

Seems to me you are part of the free phone crowd.

Reaganphones? Nah Bubba


Artificial standards? lol



Harder for Americans to Rise From Lower Rungs


But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Republican candidate for president, warned this fall that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review, a conservative thought leader, wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Even Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who argues that overall mobility remains high, recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”


Liberal commentators have long emphasized class, but the attention on the right is largely new.

“It’s becoming conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not have as much mobility as most other advanced countries,” said Isabel V. Sawhill, an economist at the Brookings Institution. “I don’t think you’ll find too many people who will argue with that.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=0

CBO finds that, between 1979 and 2007, income grew by:

275 percent for the top 1 percent of households,
65 percent for the next 19 percent,
Just under 40 percent for the next 60 percent, and
18 percent for the bottom 20 percent.

Those are very nice graphics. I am talking about self actuation which you clearly do not understand. Based on what you provided you were spoon fed a mindset and a level of expectation which you never rose above. Keep on believing in your own limitations that are set by others.

Oh you mean that mythical pull yourself up by your bootstraps BS? How does that work in MOST 3rd world nations again? Compare the US to other industrialized nations? lol



If it weren't for false premises, distortions and lies, what would the right EVER have???


ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of US history on ANY policy please?


Conservatives simplistic minds

If you are rich it is because of your merits. If you are poor its because of your faults.


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data Tax Foundation

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Third world? They have a middle class?


You are stuck in the mindset of the government tells me who I am, my boss tells me what I am and I am limited by what everyone says I should be. Grow a pair and live up to your potential.

 

[Dad2three]

And using GOP's trickle down will eventually work right? BESIDES for the 1%ers? lol

Why are you asking me about trickle down economics?
What have I posted that expresses anything about trickle down economics?
Why would I entertain your desire to chase your tail around in circles when it is evident that you don't have a clue what you are talking about and cannot even follow a discussion that involves anything I have posted?

.

I get it Bubba, you can't stick to the topic as was started and continually want to dodge EVERYTHING that was presented. I'm shocked, no really I am, lol

THE THREAD:

"Does the middle class have a future?"

TRICKLE DOWN BUBBA? LOL

Whiiiiiiiiiiine........

Facts hurt cons. I get it Bubba

Whose money is it? The Government's? The Peoples'? You want to take more hard earned money of someone who risked their money, time, and put effort? You run on that platform. Continue to demonize the risk takers. The people you really need to be demonizing are the wealthy, not the high income earners.

MORE right wing nonsense

Without false premises, distortions and lies what would right wingers EVER have?


Risk takers? lol Let me know when cons support the Robin Hood tax on wall street

This small tax of %0.5 on Wall Street transactions would generate hundreds of billions of dollars each year in the US alone

The Big Idea Robin Hood Tax


RISK TAKERS? LOL, THEY'VE CAPTURED GOV'T PAL!

 

[Dad2three]

Weird how it coincided with Reaganomics as the top 1% has skyrocketed 275%

dear, it coincided with globalization around 1980. If you want to restore the middle and lower class simple make liberal unions taxes and deficts illegal. Make 20 million illegals illegal and for good measure end the liberal war on the schools and family.

More right wing nonsense

For the 7th time, you still sleeping with your mom Bubba?

Nope he is sleeping with yours, she is after all a ho......you don't even know who your daddy is do you?

Sure Daddy... But your daughter AND son do love to swallow Bubba

S'ok dude your momma slept with every guy on the west coast....we get it.....it hurts you but it is what it is.

And you were good last night Bubba, thanks for swallowing after taking it in the *ss