Does socialized medicine contribute to terrorism?

[Annie]

Theres a huge difference between fake "us soil" like a ship overseas, and the actual American land.

There is nothing 'fake' about a USN vessel or sailors; nor embassies.

 

[onedomino]

And explain the foreign Dr's in the US? There are MANY. I've served with several while stationed with a US Army Reserve Hospital in the 90's. We had mostly foreign Dr's.

Many foreign doctors come to an advanced country to be educated. Often under programs paid for by their home country, or by foreign aid to that country. Then they never go home. This happens in other countries besides the US. When living in Munich, I met a young Turkish doctor who completed his studies in Germany and then refused to go home. It is easy for a doctor to get a visa that allows for residence.

 

[Angel Heart]

That's exactly it. In the UK I bet it's the same way. I grew up near Loma Linda and they had tons of exchange students.

 

[lieberalism]

There is nothing 'fake' about a USN vessel or sailors; nor embassies.

A ship getting blown up half way around the world is not going to have anywhere near the same effect that something similar on actual physical american soil would have. For instance, compare an IED in iraq hurting american troops and an IED in times square. One will get 2 mins of news coverage, the other will get 2 months.

 

[Bern80]

The majority of doctors in the program are British citizens, but there seems to be a shortfall that requires they hire citizens from other nations. I don't know the reason for the shortfall.

Economics is the reason for the shortfall. When somehting (healthcare) is free people demand more of it. To meet demand supply (of doctors) must increase.

Obvioulsy curtrently there is more demand than their is supply in the U.K. One of the many drawbacks of socialized medicine.

 

[Angel Heart]

Then explain our system. Why do we find the same numbers in our hospitals?

 

[Mr.Conley]

I'm with Toro. Socialized medicine is about as responsible for religious terrorism as hair color and one's affection for 80's music (.

 

[Bern80]

Then explain our system. Why do we find the same numbers in our hospitals?

I'm not sure what you mean by same numbers in our hospitals but in terms of wait times we don't see the same numbers. What we're referring to is access to physicians. It's a simple supply and demand issue.

In countries with socialized medicine you can see a specialist with little wait time because fewer people have the demand to see a specialist then say do people with the common cold looking to see their family physician.

 

[Bern80]

I'm with Toro. Socialized medicine is about as responsible for religious terrorism as hair color and one's affection for 80's music (.

Oh no, better put on the terrorist list because I love 80s music.

 

[Angel Heart]

I'm not sure what you mean by same numbers in our hospitals but in terms of wait times we don't see the same numbers. What we're referring to is access to physicians. It's a simple supply and demand issue.

In countries with socialized medicine you can see a specialist with little wait time because fewer people have the demand to see a specialist then say do people with the common cold looking to see their family physician.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...doctors_braindrain_051026/20051026?hub=Health

Rich countries contribute to doctor brain drain
Updated Wed. Oct. 26 2005 5:27 PM ET

Associated Press

One of every four doctors in North America, Britain and Australia is an immigrant who attended a foreign medical school, contributing to a "brain drain'' that deprives poor countries of good medical care, researchers say.

As many as three-quarters of physicians who come to rich countries hail from less-developed ones grappling with AIDS, infectious diseases and other health scourges, the study found. In the United States, for example, most foreign doctors are from India, the Philippines and Pakistan.

The study comes on the heels of a World Bank report this week documenting the mass migration of middle-class professionals from impoverished nations in the Caribbean, Africa and Central America.

"The brain drain has also weakened the physician work forces of many poor nations,'' wrote Dr. Fitzhugh Mullan, a professor of medicine and health policy at George Washington University, who led the study published in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine.

The foreign doctors typically come to the U.S. and other rich countries to complete their residencies -- the post-medical school training period -- and many stay on to practise medicine.

Because of the aging of the baby boom generation, experts say the United States faces a shortage of 200,000 doctors and 800,000 nurses by 2020. To deal with the problem, the Association of American Medical Colleges is asking the nation's 125 medical schools to increase their enrolment. The number of first-year medical students in the United States is already at an all-time high of about 17,000.

Some say a boost in enrolment would help ease the U.S. medical system's dependence on foreign doctors to fill residencies.

Dr. Edward Langston of the American Medical Association said the U.S. should not abandon its longstanding practice of training foreign doctors. But he said the U.S. and other rich nations need to strike a balance so that developing countries are not stripped of their own physicians.

"We have a responsibility to train international medical graduates because we're looked upon as the gold standard around the world,'' Langston said.

Before foreign doctors can do their residencies in the U.S., they must pass the same exams administered to graduates of American medical schools and must also prove proficiency in English.

In the latest study, Mullan culled data on doctors practising or training in the U.S., Canada, Britain and Australia. He found that foreign-born and --trained physicians account for 23 per cent to 28 per cent of doctors in those four countries. The U.S. has the largest share of foreign doctors, with nearly 209,000.

Developing countries supply between 40 per cent to 75 of the foreign doctors in the four nations, the study found.

Only three per cent of U.S. doctors went to foreign medical schools and returned to the states to practice.

Africa has just 600,000 doctors, nurses and midwives for 600 million people, yet wealthy nations continue "poaching'' them, Drs. Lincoln Chen of Harvard University and Jo Ivey Boufford of New York University wrote in an accompanying editorial.

Bit of digging on Google, you never know what you'll find...

 

[Bern80]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...doctors_braindrain_051026/20051026?hub=Health



Bit of digging on Google, you never know what you'll find...

it's about where the supply of doctors is comeing from. It doesn't compare in any way our demand for doctors to say the UKs demand for doctors.

 

[Angel Heart]

It says 25% of all Dr's in the states are not native. That means there is a need for them near that.

 

[Bern80]

It says 25% of all Dr's in the states are not native. That means there is a need for them near that.

You may want to read that again. What you basically just said is here is a source of supply thus there is a demand for it.

 

[Chips Rafferty]

I haven't given any thought to the U.S.

Of course not! It fucked up your patently transparent little plan to paint socialism with the terrorist tar brush in large lumps, didn't it!

 

[hjmick]

Of course not! It fucked up your patently transparent little plan to paint socialism with the terrorist tar brush in large lumps, didn't it!

Nooo, I was reading about the attempted attacks in the U.K. and the fact that those arrested in connection with it were all doctors of foreign extraction or descent. That in turn made me wonder if the need to recruit doctors from other nations to fill positions in their NHS opened the door for this to happen.

Now, had I been reading an article about foreign doctors attempting to blow shit up in Times Square, I would have questioned the system in place in the U.S. that allows foreign nationals to practice medicine here. I would have asked what kind of safeguards are in place to prevent people with sympathies for those who would harm us from coming here to work.

But, alas, the story I was reading was about mother England.