Does liberty matter anymore?

[Toddsterpatriot]

GDP is a Rush Limbaugh Rolled-Up gimmick.

GDP is a gimmick? Why?

The average schmuck on Wall Street got a pay cut and had their work hours tripled.

The 1987 crash was more than 28 years ago. Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.
That's the Republican bullshit logic of how well everyone's doing.
You're a Conservative robot touting proven failures by using statistics.

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

your average salary is the resulting number.

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

Mean and average are the same.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

That's what I did.

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

Average wages, median wages, and wage dispersion

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

What do you think Bill Gates' salary was last year?

 

[Agit8r]

Well, the GOP seems to dropped it as a talking point.

 

[Indeependent]

Bull...the US economy only started picking up 11 years later due to Y2K and the DOT COM.
Republican screw ups don't register in your brain.

Right. Between Jan 1981 and Jan 1989, real US GDP only grew about 33%.
Darn Republican screw ups. Durr.

GDP is a Rush Limbaugh Rolled-Up gimmick.
The average schmuck on Wall Street got a pay cut and had their work hours tripled.
I hope GDP isn't the best weapon in your argument arsenal.

GDP is a Rush Limbaugh Rolled-Up gimmick.

GDP is a gimmick? Why?

The average schmuck on Wall Street got a pay cut and had their work hours tripled.

The 1987 crash was more than 28 years ago. Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.
That's the Republican bullshit logic of how well everyone's doing.
You're a Conservative robot touting proven failures by using statistics.

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Bullcrap.
Supply Side has resulted in Illegals, Business Visas replacing Physicians and the closing of tens of thousands of factories.
The average White Collar professional on Wall Street has not seen a wage increase anywhere near the average Wall Street CEO.
By your postings, I can see you have never worked for a Fortune 500 Company whose main purpose is Institutional Trading.

 

[Indeependent]

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.
That's the Republican bullshit logic of how well everyone's doing.
You're a Conservative robot touting proven failures by using statistics.

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

your average salary is the resulting number.

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

Mean and average are the same.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

That's what I did.

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

Average wages, median wages, and wage dispersion

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

What do you think Bill Gates' salary was last year?

Probably $0.00 as he hasn't worked a day since 1998.
He simply uses his 80+billion in Assets to run Congress.

 

[jillian]

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

your average salary is the resulting number.

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

Mean and average are the same.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

That's what I did.

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

Average wages, median wages, and wage dispersion

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

What do you think Bill Gates' salary was last year?

Probably $0.00 as he hasn't worked a day since 1998.
He simply uses his 80+billion in Assets to run Congress.

that's funny given the level of the Koch brothers' investment in running the rightwingnuts. gates generally concerns himself with global health and education.

oh no! the horror.

and he has income.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

your average salary is the resulting number.

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

Mean and average are the same.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

That's what I did.

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

Average wages, median wages, and wage dispersion

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

What do you think Bill Gates' salary was last year?

Probably $0.00 as he hasn't worked a day since 1998.
He simply uses his 80+billion in Assets to run Congress.

You finally got one right. He never drew a salary.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Right. Between Jan 1981 and Jan 1989, real US GDP only grew about 33%.
Darn Republican screw ups. Durr.

GDP is a Rush Limbaugh Rolled-Up gimmick.
The average schmuck on Wall Street got a pay cut and had their work hours tripled.
I hope GDP isn't the best weapon in your argument arsenal.

GDP is a Rush Limbaugh Rolled-Up gimmick.

GDP is a gimmick? Why?

The average schmuck on Wall Street got a pay cut and had their work hours tripled.

The 1987 crash was more than 28 years ago. Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.
That's the Republican bullshit logic of how well everyone's doing.
You're a Conservative robot touting proven failures by using statistics.

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Bullcrap.
Supply Side has resulted in Illegals, Business Visas replacing Physicians and the closing of tens of thousands of factories.
The average White Collar professional on Wall Street has not seen a wage increase anywhere near the average Wall Street CEO.
By your postings, I can see you have never worked for a Fortune 500 Company whose main purpose is Institutional Trading.

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

 

[Indeependent]

GDP is a Rush Limbaugh Rolled-Up gimmick.
The average schmuck on Wall Street got a pay cut and had their work hours tripled.
I hope GDP isn't the best weapon in your argument arsenal.

GDP is a Rush Limbaugh Rolled-Up gimmick.

GDP is a gimmick? Why?

The average schmuck on Wall Street got a pay cut and had their work hours tripled.

The 1987 crash was more than 28 years ago. Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.
That's the Republican bullshit logic of how well everyone's doing.
You're a Conservative robot touting proven failures by using statistics.

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Bullcrap.
Supply Side has resulted in Illegals, Business Visas replacing Physicians and the closing of tens of thousands of factories.
The average White Collar professional on Wall Street has not seen a wage increase anywhere near the average Wall Street CEO.
By your postings, I can see you have never worked for a Fortune 500 Company whose main purpose is Institutional Trading.

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday and you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.
And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that omits all the ugly details, is a bad neo-Con joke that nobody falls for anymore.

Your straw man postings also ignore Illegals, Business Visas taking millions of jobs away and off-shoring our production.
In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.
Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

 

[Indeependent]

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

your average salary is the resulting number.

that's false... it would be the "mean" salary. not the "average" salary.

Mean and average are the same.

average salary adds together bill's salary along with the salary of the 20 others and divides by 21.

That's what I did.

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

Average wages, median wages, and wage dispersion

no, it isn't or it would have been millions per person as the average.

What do you think Bill Gates' salary was last year?

Probably $0.00 as he hasn't worked a day since 1998.
He simply uses his 80+billion in Assets to run Congress.

that's funny given the level of the Koch brothers' investment in running the rightwingnuts. gates generally concerns himself with global health and education.

oh no! the horror.

and he has income.

If you focus on Bill Gates, you will discover his "Global" concerns are almost all exclusively in India and the African continent, 2 major sources of low wage labor Mr. Gates has spent 2 decade trying to inundate US shores with.
Gates is no saint; in fact, he's a complete scumbag.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

GDP is a Rush Limbaugh Rolled-Up gimmick.

GDP is a gimmick? Why?

The average schmuck on Wall Street got a pay cut and had their work hours tripled.

The 1987 crash was more than 28 years ago. Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.
That's the Republican bullshit logic of how well everyone's doing.
You're a Conservative robot touting proven failures by using statistics.

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Bullcrap.
Supply Side has resulted in Illegals, Business Visas replacing Physicians and the closing of tens of thousands of factories.
The average White Collar professional on Wall Street has not seen a wage increase anywhere near the average Wall Street CEO.
By your postings, I can see you have never worked for a Fortune 500 Company whose main purpose is Institutional Trading.

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday and you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.
And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that omits all the ugly details, is a bad neo-Con joke that nobody falls for anymore.

Your straw man postings also ignore Illegals, Business Visas taking millions of jobs away and off-shoring our production.
In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.
Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday

Yes, Reagan was President on October 19, 1987, the day of the crash.

you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.

Prove it.

And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that......

That shows supply side was a success.

In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.

I'm still waiting to hear about your triple hours.

Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Snap out of it, we're talking about events in 1987, not stuff going on today.

 

[Indeependent]

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.
That's the Republican bullshit logic of how well everyone's doing.
You're a Conservative robot touting proven failures by using statistics.

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Bullcrap.
Supply Side has resulted in Illegals, Business Visas replacing Physicians and the closing of tens of thousands of factories.
The average White Collar professional on Wall Street has not seen a wage increase anywhere near the average Wall Street CEO.
By your postings, I can see you have never worked for a Fortune 500 Company whose main purpose is Institutional Trading.

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday and you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.
And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that omits all the ugly details, is a bad neo-Con joke that nobody falls for anymore.

Your straw man postings also ignore Illegals, Business Visas taking millions of jobs away and off-shoring our production.
In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.
Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday

Yes, Reagan was President on October 19, 1987, the day of the crash.

you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.

Prove it.

And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that......

That shows supply side was a success.

In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.

I'm still waiting to hear about your triple hours.

Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Snap out of it, we're talking about events in 1987, not stuff going on today.

Thank you for ignoring my entire post BECAUSE...
R = GOOD and D = BAD

And people wonder why Trump is destroying the Supply Side Clowns

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Put Bill Gates in a room with 20 people making 60K a year and what's the average annual salary.

About $57,143

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Bullcrap.
Supply Side has resulted in Illegals, Business Visas replacing Physicians and the closing of tens of thousands of factories.
The average White Collar professional on Wall Street has not seen a wage increase anywhere near the average Wall Street CEO.
By your postings, I can see you have never worked for a Fortune 500 Company whose main purpose is Institutional Trading.

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday and you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.
And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that omits all the ugly details, is a bad neo-Con joke that nobody falls for anymore.

Your straw man postings also ignore Illegals, Business Visas taking millions of jobs away and off-shoring our production.
In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.
Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday

Yes, Reagan was President on October 19, 1987, the day of the crash.

you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.

Prove it.

And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that......

That shows supply side was a success.

In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.

I'm still waiting to hear about your triple hours.

Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Snap out of it, we're talking about events in 1987, not stuff going on today.

Thank you for ignoring my entire post BECAUSE...
R = GOOD and D = BAD

And people wonder why Trump is destroying the Supply Side Clowns

I'm not ignoring your post, just asking you to prove your claims.
You keep failing.
Based on your feeling that the market crashed on a Saturday, I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Indeependent]

Bullcrap.
Supply Side has resulted in Illegals, Business Visas replacing Physicians and the closing of tens of thousands of factories.
The average White Collar professional on Wall Street has not seen a wage increase anywhere near the average Wall Street CEO.
By your postings, I can see you have never worked for a Fortune 500 Company whose main purpose is Institutional Trading.

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday and you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.
And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that omits all the ugly details, is a bad neo-Con joke that nobody falls for anymore.

Your straw man postings also ignore Illegals, Business Visas taking millions of jobs away and off-shoring our production.
In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.
Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday

Yes, Reagan was President on October 19, 1987, the day of the crash.

you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.

Prove it.

And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that......

That shows supply side was a success.

In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.

I'm still waiting to hear about your triple hours.

Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Snap out of it, we're talking about events in 1987, not stuff going on today.

Thank you for ignoring my entire post BECAUSE...
R = GOOD and D = BAD

And people wonder why Trump is destroying the Supply Side Clowns

I'm not ignoring your post, just asking you to prove your claims.
You keep failing.
Based on your feeling that the market crashed on a Saturday, I shouldn't be surprised.

My final response to you on this thread...
If I have to prove the problems being caused by Supply Side Economics you've got a major IQ problem.
As I've said in a prior posting, R = GOOD, D = BAD.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are Wall Streeters still working triple hours?
Or are you whining that you had to work longer hours for a week or two?

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday and you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.
And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that omits all the ugly details, is a bad neo-Con joke that nobody falls for anymore.

Your straw man postings also ignore Illegals, Business Visas taking millions of jobs away and off-shoring our production.
In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.
Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Your straw man postings ignore the fact that Reagan was very much at the helm on Black Monday

Yes, Reagan was President on October 19, 1987, the day of the crash.

you surely lack the knowledge to know his Supply Side Economics were directly responsible for the crash.

Prove it.

And your use of GDP, a snapshot statistic that......

That shows supply side was a success.

In other words, your Economic acumen is less than impressive.

I'm still waiting to hear about your triple hours.

Keep in mind that the Business Visas are now the one working triple hours for 1/4 the pay of the people they replace.

Snap out of it, we're talking about events in 1987, not stuff going on today.

Thank you for ignoring my entire post BECAUSE...
R = GOOD and D = BAD

And people wonder why Trump is destroying the Supply Side Clowns

I'm not ignoring your post, just asking you to prove your claims.
You keep failing.
Based on your feeling that the market crashed on a Saturday, I shouldn't be surprised.

My final response to you on this thread...
If I have to prove the problems being caused by Supply Side Economics you've got a major IQ problem.
As I've said in a prior posting, R = GOOD, D = BAD.

The Dow closed at 1895 on Dec 31st 1986. Peaked on August 25th, 1987 when it closed at 2722.
Ended 1987 at 1938.

Yeah, that must have been Supply Side Economics. LOL!

Are you going to change your tagline to the real date of the crash, or continue to broadcast your stupidity?

 

[KokomoJojo]

Liberty? Matter? Nothing comes between the gubmint and their makin money from the guberned!

 

[Abishai100]

The Mirror Trick: Liberty's Kids

Imagining an A-list American celebrity portray the pioneering escape-artist/entertainer Harry Houdini makes me feel optimistic that a deranged horror/crime film copycat doesn't kill someone like Tom Cruise this Halloween.

Halloween does, after all, signify a modern age civilization focus on the face-recognition intrigue associated with identity mercantilism (i.e., eBay merchant listings) in a globalization-invented multi-cultural populace.

If computers across the Internet are connected in a virtual/electronic 'telepathic' network, then maybe the media (i.e., TV, movies, news) is the modern age illusion-bazaar.

"I, Michael Myers, intend to kill Tom Cruise this Halloween if America does not improve its sensitivity to racism!"

Incidentally, Tom Cruise was to portray Houdini in a film. I was hoping an eccentric film-maker such as Tim Burton or Wes Andersen would be interested in such a project or maybe even a dramatism-crafty film-maker such as M. Night Shyamalan or Paul Schrader.



Harry Houdini

 

[sstai]

IT definitely matters. We live in a time where people are fighting to suppress other people's beliefs if they aren't popular or politically correct. Freedom and liberty are very important. As the saying goes, you can't enjoy victory if you have never suffered defeat. Many people will not truly enjoy the liberty they have until they have a chance to live without it.

But, I will say there are trends in our culture that show people are trying to play down the words liberty and freedom, and replace them with acceptance and tolerance. But, make no mistake, those words are just a clever way to get the masses to give up some of their liberty and freedom.