Does GOP Governor Perry still want to secede?

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"I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the state," Governor Perry wrote.

Hmmmmm....how's that whole secession idea coming along, Rick?

In an e-mail, FEMA spokesman Bradley Carroll said Perry's request for a statewide disaster declaration is under review. He also noted that in cases of natural disasters such as wildfires, the first responders are local emergency personnel, volunteers, humanitarian organizations, and private groups, and he pointed to 20 fire management assistance grants that FEMA has already applied to specific working fires in Texas. The grant money can be used to cover as much as three-quarters of Texas's eligible firefighting costs, such as expenses for field camps, equipment, and firefighter mobilization and demobilization, for a specific fire.

So, is Texas now a NANNY STATE?

Gov. Rick Perry sees Texas wildfires as statewide emergency. FEMA doesn't? - CSMonitor.com
 
Is smaller government only a good idea when it is the "other" people in need?

No it's not. I definitely agree that these Emergencies should be dealt with at the Local/State level; and the Federal Government should not be involved.

Now, there is one catch in the case of wildfires..... In many cases (I don't know if this year's Texas fires are one of them), the extent/severity of these fires is often increased due to FEDERAL land management requirements which do not allow states to go in and clear out many of these areas, leaving them prime candidates for these wildfires. If the Feds CAUSE the problem, then they should be responsible for at least part of fixing it.
 
"I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the state," Governor Perry wrote.

Hmmmmm....how's that whole secession idea coming along, Rick?

In an e-mail, FEMA spokesman Bradley Carroll said Perry's request for a statewide disaster declaration is under review. He also noted that in cases of natural disasters such as wildfires, the first responders are local emergency personnel, volunteers, humanitarian organizations, and private groups, and he pointed to 20 fire management assistance grants that FEMA has already applied to specific working fires in Texas. The grant money can be used to cover as much as three-quarters of Texas's eligible firefighting costs, such as expenses for field camps, equipment, and firefighter mobilization and demobilization, for a specific fire.

So, is Texas now a NANNY STATE?

Gov. Rick Perry sees Texas wildfires as statewide emergency. FEMA doesn't? - CSMonitor.com

He never did.
 
"I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the state," Governor Perry wrote.

Hmmmmm....how's that whole secession idea coming along, Rick?

In an e-mail, FEMA spokesman Bradley Carroll said Perry's request for a statewide disaster declaration is under review. He also noted that in cases of natural disasters such as wildfires, the first responders are local emergency personnel, volunteers, humanitarian organizations, and private groups, and he pointed to 20 fire management assistance grants that FEMA has already applied to specific working fires in Texas. The grant money can be used to cover as much as three-quarters of Texas's eligible firefighting costs, such as expenses for field camps, equipment, and firefighter mobilization and demobilization, for a specific fire.

So, is Texas now a NANNY STATE?

Gov. Rick Perry sees Texas wildfires as statewide emergency. FEMA doesn't? - CSMonitor.com

He never did.

He never did, WHAT?
 
Is smaller government only a good idea when it is the "other" people in need?

They would be foolish not to take the money if it was availible, after all texans paying federal taxes paid for it. They also did it the right way, trying to handle it locally in the state until it became too big a problem, not expecting the feds to come and save thier ass right at the beginning.

Until things like this are eliminated for EVERYONE there is no hypocracy in using what is availible, especially in time of emergency. The hypocracy would come in asking for it back once it is gone.

The only thing you get out of this is some cheap poltical talking points.
 
Is smaller government only a good idea when it is the "other" people in need?

They would be foolish not to take the money if it was availible, after all texans paying federal taxes paid for it. They also did it the right way, trying to handle it locally in the state until it became too big a problem, not expecting the feds to come and save thier ass right at the beginning.

Until things like this are eliminated for EVERYONE there is no hypocracy in using what is availible, especially in time of emergency. The hypocracy would come in asking for it back once it is gone.

The only thing you get out of this is some cheap poltical talking points.

So, you are agreeing now with Perry's new position that the Federal government/FEMA is a good thing to have? What would have happened if Perry managed to get Texas to secede? How would Texans feel about that?
 
Is smaller government only a good idea when it is the "other" people in need?

They would be foolish not to take the money if it was availible, after all texans paying federal taxes paid for it. They also did it the right way, trying to handle it locally in the state until it became too big a problem, not expecting the feds to come and save thier ass right at the beginning.

Until things like this are eliminated for EVERYONE there is no hypocracy in using what is availible, especially in time of emergency. The hypocracy would come in asking for it back once it is gone.

The only thing you get out of this is some cheap poltical talking points.


``The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare....''

The Framers of the United States Constitution repeated the General Welfare clause in Article I, Section 8, for the purpose of giving it some teeth, by ensuring that Congress could raise and expend funds for the general welfare. This corrected a near-fatal defect in the Articles of Confederation: the Articles incorporated the concept of the general welfare, but failed to provide for its implementation.


One of the few things the Federal Government is to provide for as provided for by our Constitution
 
Is smaller government only a good idea when it is the "other" people in need?

They would be foolish not to take the money if it was availible, after all texans paying federal taxes paid for it. They also did it the right way, trying to handle it locally in the state until it became too big a problem, not expecting the feds to come and save thier ass right at the beginning.

Until things like this are eliminated for EVERYONE there is no hypocracy in using what is availible, especially in time of emergency. The hypocracy would come in asking for it back once it is gone.

The only thing you get out of this is some cheap poltical talking points.

So, you are agreeing now with Perry's new position that the Federal government/FEMA is a good thing to have? What would have happened if Perry managed to get Texas to secede? How would Texans feel about that?

At that point Texas would be able to tax thier people at a higher rate, as all the money given to the feds would stay in texas. They could probably afford to create thier own state version of FEMA.

All the seccession talk in general is basically bullcrap, to those on the right doing it now, to back in the day when Mondale lost in 1984 in an ass whupping and some in minnesota cried for "seccesion." You get the same crap from cities like NY and LA that have people wanting to secede from the state and form their own. Usually its political posturing, as well as being very stupid.

Again, if you dont like things like FEMA, you work to get rid of it. But while it still exists, and is funded by your tax money, it would be folly, especially in a life or death situation, to refuse its help. You paid for it already, you might as well use it.

Again, the true hypocricy would come around if FEMA is gone, and then after a distaster Perry screams to the Feds for help from a FEMA like organization.
 
Texas takes more from the Federal Government than it contributes in taxes.

TaxProf Blog: Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

Guess again.

They get 94 cents for every dollar they give.

US Federal Tax Dollars Payments/Allotments by State | The Big Picture

Either report seems to be pretty simplistic to point at and say Hey look I told you so though.

I bet i can find 20 more, 10 that say more $$, 10 that say less $$. Stuff like this is basically Tu Quoque arguing, and adds nothing substantial to the original debate.
 
There's two possible outcomes of TEXAS becoming an independent nation

1. It becomes part of Mexico; or
2. Mexico becomes part of it.

In both cases my sympathy would be to mostly with Mexico.
 
No doubt that Texas likely has an illegal immigration problem that is costing the state billions of dollars as well.
 

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