Does god really exist?

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    Does god really exist?​

    Hay hi fellows
    I was thinking of those guys who don’t believe in Allah
    And then I asked my self
    If I asked some of those who don’t believe in the existence of Allah who create you they will say Allah
    And if asked who create the whole universe they will say Allah, cuz when they came to this universe it was created already they didn’t create it or created them selves
    Allah says in his holly book of Qur'an
    So we all confess that Allah who created us then Allah exists
    The second question will be
    Mmmm
    Then why we couldn’t see him??
    Let me ask
    What is the main thing that makes you alive till now??
    Some of you will say my brain others will say heart …
    But actually the main thing is your spirit, when your soul or spirit leaves your body you are no long alive.
    So have you ever seen your spirit??
    Sure no, but it is the cause of your life and you sure that you have a spirit and Allah is the one who made your spirit
    And as I said before Allah isn't a human so we can't see him, as long as we can't see angels it could see the angels if only they represented in the shape of human
    We made from mud so we can see each other cuz we all made from the same material
    But gins created from fire and we couldn’t see them

    And angels created from light
    And we all know the story of Mussa when he asked Allah that he wants to see him
    And when his light only appeared what happened??
    Allah says in his Qur'an
    And when Mussa came back to his people the Jewish they found them worship for a calf
    So we can't see Allah cause we are weak and he is strong we can't see him with this eyes we have, it can't see his greatness and glory.,

    But he isn’t a human so he don’t have a son from the human
    Did your father create you??
    So the father can't create the son??
    Allah only create humans
    When the angels came to tell Mary that she will have a baby his name is Eissa peace upon him
    They said his name is Eissa the son of Mary, and the boy called with his mother, only if he doesn't have a father
    Qur'an

    So Eissa created as same as Adam the 1st creature in the whole world
    And we have never heard that some one says that Adam is the son of Allah
    I know I said that previously, but I want to remind you
    And IF Eissa is the son of Allah he will be the preferred human in the whole world and he will have every thing and he will know every thing and he will be the strongest creature cuz he is the son of Allah as bible says, or at least he could have the feature of god like creating things but actually he didn’t have all of these features.
    Add to that,
    That he should be a god too then how come he is a god and he died as bible says and we will never be able to see him because he shouldn’t be a human.
    "The same theory we can't see Allah with our eyes so we can't see his son"
    add to that too their will be some kind of injustice cuz IF Eissa peace upon him is his son that mean that he will have every thing and the other don’t cuz Allah love him the most and this can't be

    It’s the same your father sure love you more than your cousin for example even if he deals well with your cousin,
    And Allah created all of us and he sure love all of us only if we worked according to his road and obeyed him
    So why we don’t believe that the Qur'an is his book, why we keep saying that it is just a lie , though all of miracles the qur'an came with

    and i wanna say that i dont attack any one thoughts or believes it is just apart time to think logically
     
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    alrighty then :)
     
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    GW << You can put your Koran down now because it's not the word of God. I prove my point by asking you a definite question.

    If you can answer it in a most intelligent way, and quote it from your book, I will listen, but if you can't, you need to agree that you will listen to what I have to say. OK?


    Question, according to your Koran, who is God at the very heart of it?

    What does He say about Himself that you can grasp, believe and recognize that it makes him totally other from his creation? :eusa_hand:
     
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    The Koran is essentially the bible in drag. The stories in basically every holy scripture can be traced way back to even before the egyptians, you know the basic virgin birth, rise from the dead.....all this stuff derives from the same story told over thousands of years and adopted into different religions.

    Also, if you really do your research you will find out that every single holy scripture.....is essentially a copy. It has been accepted and dated to hundreds of years AFTER the scripture was originally written but the church never likes to talk about it. It is a copy, why? They didnt have copy machines so scribes had to copy the original word for word and obviously when you make thousands of copies you make mistakes. So not only are the dead sea scrolls, scroll of orwell.....etc copies, but they are full of known grammatical mistakes and accepted either way.


    Point is.....there probably is a god, but it is certainly not the god of any bible or any religion. If there was a god, he would not be an intelligent complex being, he would be the most simple of simple concepts. Perhaps a singularity, or maybe even the theoretical higgs field in which particles are governed.
     
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    did yall do the caps thing on aol? Please use regular fonts.
     
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    This is a totally bizarre question. It is something you can't know, or postulate, or try to rationalize. As humans, it is something we can not contemplate, so it is simplified for is with the Bible or any of other religious text. To minimalize as a singularity or the higgs field is something I've thought about, but it is really unknowable. If God was 'found' in the physical God, it wouldn't be God, as I believe. It is called 'faith' for a reason. Making a leap of faith to believe something is not easy to do. Perhaps it takes a Bible to have faith, and congregations, but I think it is having faith at all, that is the central premise, or the ultimate idea. Doctrines only aid that. It is a personal thing I think, and should be kept personal. When it becomes a social thing, or something to regulate people, is when it goes bad. Keep it personal, between you and God, and there is nothing to fear, or be mad at, or fight. No one is wrong, because it shouldn't matter as long as one has faith.
     
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    God exists.
     
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    Like: Does Henary Ford Exist Today?

    What We Learn Each Day, NEW FROM GOD?
     
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    Perhaps God does, but there is no evidence that supports that god is the intelligent being described in scripture as being all knowing, all loving and all present. Why? Easy, no prayer has ever been documented as having any effect in the physical world. So even if you ignore the other fallacious statments within the bible, you cant ignore the fact that prayer does not have any affect on the real world. If there is physical proof of this documented somewhere please show me. Also, paranormal activity does not exist. If there is proof of physical evidence that any paranormal activity has ever happened, please let me know. Because for the last 20 years, James Randi has held a competition, if anyone can proove any type of psychic or paranormal activity documented on the spot that he himself can not explain or expose as fraud, he will give 1,000,000 dollars of his own money. So far, many applicants......all failures. So really, if you have a ghost or your psychic or you know that paranormal activity is going on somehwere, let me know and we can split the million dollars.
     
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    Only in the hearts and minds of some humans
     

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