CDZ Does double jeopardy apply?

Discussion in 'Clean Debate Zone' started by Nosmo King, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. Nosmo King
    Offline

    Nosmo King Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    23,445
    Thanks Received:
    4,744
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Location:
    Buckle of the Rust Belt
    Ratings:
    +13,097
    IF. Trump is impeached (indicted) by the House and acquitted by the Senate, then loses re-election, could the charges developed and explained by the House be used in federal court against ex-president Trump? Or does the Senate trial (of a sitting president) open the double jeopardy box?
     
  2. Billy_Bob
    Offline

    Billy_Bob Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2014
    Messages:
    18,032
    Thanks Received:
    3,871
    Trophy Points:
    1,010
    Location:
    Top Of The Great Divide
    Ratings:
    +18,703
    Under the law he has been tried. Double Jeopardy applies...
     
  3. toobfreak
    Offline

    toobfreak Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2017
    Messages:
    16,670
    Thanks Received:
    3,176
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Ratings:
    +19,850

    Fear not, I just watched a four-night exposé on the details of the so-called 10 potential Mueller "obstructions" and they are a joke. Several of them were totally dismissed by Mueller himself. Of the remaining, one was Trump's merely saying that Mueller being picked could mean the end of his presidency! That isn't any obstruction at all, it is not even some admission of "guilt," it was Trump merely commenting that based on his past dealings with Mueller, first, turning him down as FBI director and also some sort of business deal that went sour, that Trump didn't feel Mueller would be fair or impartial.

    The few remaining were merely Trump's exploring the possibility of replacing Mueller as a result. Either way the investigation would have continued, DID continue and was ultimately found that Trump was indeed free of any guilt of collusion or conspiracy with Russia. So what was Trump "obstructing?" His innocence?

    And there still remains made NO public evidence of these so-called Russian efforts. Not ONE person, not one county, has been shown affected, changed or swung in Trump's favor ---- ---- the Left's MSM do far more every day trying to influence and change votes, views and opinions than the Russians will ever do.

    If the idiot's in the DNC try to impeach Trump on the basis of THIS, it is going to be the biggest clusterfuck backfire into their own faces since the 3 Stooges had their last pie fight.
     
    • Winner Winner x 4
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2019
  4. JoeMoma
    Offline

    JoeMoma Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2014
    Messages:
    13,661
    Thanks Received:
    2,099
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Ratings:
    +11,838
    I don't believe double jeopardy applies. Congress is not a criminal court and impeachment by the house and conviction by the senate simply results in the "firing" of the president.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  5. Papageorgio
    Offline

    Papageorgio The Ultimate Winner

    Joined:
    May 18, 2010
    Messages:
    41,753
    Thanks Received:
    6,161
    Trophy Points:
    1,870
    Location:
    PNW
    Ratings:
    +21,569
    Double jeopardy can’t be attached. The Senate is only allowed to, based on evidence, remove a President from office, nothing more. Courts would be where double jeopardy attaches.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  6. bear513
    Offline

    bear513 Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2012
    Messages:
    53,654
    Thanks Received:
    6,983
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Ratings:
    +35,756
    I thought the Senate was the executioner? (Judge sentence)
     
  7. Papageorgio
    Offline

    Papageorgio The Ultimate Winner

    Joined:
    May 18, 2010
    Messages:
    41,753
    Thanks Received:
    6,161
    Trophy Points:
    1,870
    Location:
    PNW
    Ratings:
    +21,569
    They have only have the power to remove the President, their power carries no further.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  8. C_Clayton_Jones
    Offline

    C_Clayton_Jones Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2011
    Messages:
    51,787
    Thanks Received:
    10,868
    Trophy Points:
    2,030
    Location:
    In a Republic, actually
    Ratings:
    +36,630
    Impeachment is a political – not legal – process.

    Indeed, a president can be removed from office via the impeachment process absent alleged criminal wrongdoing.

    A president removed from office via impeachment because of alleged criminal activity can be subject to criminal prosecution, but that’s unlikely at the Federal level.

    Justice would never indict a president – sitting or former – as it would establish a dangerous precedent.

    Indictment of a former president at the state level would be more likely.

    ‘Conviction’ by the Senate is not a criminal conviction, as the president’s life, liberty, and property are not in jeopardy; a president removed from office via impeachment would be at liberty to return home to write his memoir and plan for his presidential library.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  9. bear513
    Offline

    bear513 Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2012
    Messages:
    53,654
    Thanks Received:
    6,983
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Ratings:
    +35,756
    I should look this up, so a president obstruct justice, he is not removed he can still be charged in criminal court?


    How come no one charged Bill then?


    Obstruction of justice is a Class 4 felony offense, punishable by one to three years in prison (the Illinois Department of Corrections) and a fine of up to $25,000. However, the judge does have the option to sentence you to probation as opposed to incarceration.
    upload_2019-6-7_22-33-15.png
    Chicago Criminal Lawyer | Cook County Criminal Defense Attorney | Law Offices of David L. Freidberg, P.C. › ...
    Obstruction of Justice | Chicago Criminal Defense Lawyer David L ...
     
  10. bear513
    Offline

    bear513 Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2012
    Messages:
    53,654
    Thanks Received:
    6,983
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Ratings:
    +35,756
    ^^ just an example
     

Share This Page



Search tags for this page

double jeopardy when does it apply