Does Anyone Really Want National Health Care?

Anything is better than what you have now.

If anything was better than we have now, people here would be flocking to other countries to be treated instead of the other way around. Your statement is simply false. Our health care system works fine for the vast majority of this country in terms of accessibility.

They aren't quite flocking yet, but some have started seeking treatment in other countries. As a matter of fact, certain insurance companies have begun toying with the idea of making medical care outside of the US as part of their insurance packages as a way to keep costs down. The higher our costs become, the more we will see of this.
 
Being on a waiting list is better than having no health care and if you do have health care it is because you are healthy and have not got kicked out.


This is the ranking of health care systems (estimates for 1997) according to the World Health Organization (2000).[1]

Ranking Country Expenditure Per Capita
1 France 4
2 Italy 11
3 San Marino 21
4 Andorra 23
5 Malta 37
6 Singapore 38
7 Spain 24
8 Oman 62
9 Austria 6
10 Japan 13
11 Norway 16
12 Portugal 28
13 Monaco 12
14 Greece 30
15 Iceland 14
16 Luxembourg 5
17 Netherlands 9
18 United Kingdom 26
19 Ireland 25
20 Switzerland 2
21 Belgium 15
22 Colombia 49
23 Sweden 7
24 Cyprus 39
25 Germany 3
26 Saudi Arabia 63
27 United Arab Emirates 35
28 Israel 19
29 Morocco 99
30 Canada 10
31 Finland 18
32 Australia 17
33 Chile 44
34 Denmark 8
35 Dominica 70
36 Costa Rica 50
37 United States 1
 
No one suggests we emulate the British System or the French System or any other system. We have a system that is broken, yet, ironically is the best in the world. This paradox provides the special interests to manipulate the stupid voters to continue the status quo and benefits the few, not the many.

As I've posted many times, I believe the federal government should provide incentives for each state to offer free (i.e. tax payer funded) preventative care for all. Ideally a national program, single payer system of preventative care would provide universal care, but political consideratons make that unlikely.

I've suggested 435 Clinics be built aroung the country, providing jobs and stimulating local economies. One medical clinic for each Congressional District providing education, information, and preventative care to all citizens in the district. Using ones imagination it is possible to conceive how such a program could reduce costs; providing contraceptives will prevent many unwanted pregnanacies and abortion, education and information may prevent the spread of disease, STD as well as other communicable ones; and the long term costs when early diagnosis leads to early treatment will be better controlled.

Private insurance for accidents and serious sudden medical conditions would continue to exist, doctors could continue to practice privately though some would work for clinics, HMO's or the government as they do today.

Of course thinking and using one's imagination is required. Yelling "Socialism!" and not understanding the issue requires little thought and no imagination (Edit: See Mr. Liberty above for one such example).

How is what you are proposing not socialism?
So socialized medicine is going to eliminate unwanted pregnancies? These contraceptive are available now, for free. You are not going to change human behavior.
I and others don't want this. By what right do you have to force it on us?
If you can come up with a completely volunteer health plan then, I will support it. One that does not violate the liberty even one person. What you and the government have proposed is immoral.

How is a national hyway system not socialism? Police and Fire? Only a socialist would have any such employees. A good person won't need to get arrested and when ya live under a rock like many here what good is a fire department? Water and sewage? Cut me some slack Jack!!! Them there services are for pinko COMMIES!!!!! Medical care???? Try something important!!! You are wasting my time!!!

Are you always so emotional?
I support highway funds, if they are funded by gasoline tax. These are voluntary.
Police and fire are supported by state and local taxes.
Water and sewage are paid for by a monthly bill.
Next you will tell me that the military is socialism.
Socialism is an evil ideology. It has failed in all of its form all over the world. It is going to fail here very soon. When it does you'll most likely blame the rich. Marxist always do.
Political freedom is not sufficient for me. I want economic freedom as well.
Finally: you seem to be unable to present an argument with resorting to using an appeal to ridicule.
 

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