Does Anyone Really Want National Health Care?

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    Are the doctors really going to be able to treat We the People, the normal non-government worker class citizens any better? Are the insurance companies going to limit our ability to get Quality CARE?

    I read this in the news this morning about the National Health in England. Got me to thinking about this mandated health insurance and what the future may be like for us "average citizens".

    Surgeons say patients in some parts of England have spent months waiting in pain because of delayed operations or new restrictions on who qualifies for treatment.

    In several areas routine surgery was put on hold for months, while in many others new thresholds for hip and knee replacements have been introduced.

    The moves are part of the NHS drive to find £20bn efficiency savings by 2015.

    The government said performance should be measured by outcomes not numbers.

    Surgeons have described the delays faced by patients as "devastating and cruel". Peter Kay, the president of the British Orthopaedic Association (BOA), says they've become increasingly frustrated that hip and knee replacements are being targeted as a way of finding savings.

    "We've started to get reports over the last nine months that access to these services are being restricted."

    "GPs were told not so send as many patients to hospital, maybe to delay referrals until the end of the financial year while perhaps introducing thresholds for surgery."

    He says that simply delaying surgery by one means or another does not improve the outcome for patients as their condition can deteriorate.

    "The double jeopardy is that patients wait longer in pain, and when they have the operation, the result might not have been as good as it otherwise would have been had they had it early. "

    Read more here:
    BBC News - Surgeons raise alarm over waiting

    This may be news in England, but National Health it is and is this something we get to look forward to?
    I hope not!
     
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    Think about this.

    The US Government cannot even get a budget deal handled. They cannot even handle their own finances so where they think they can handle everyone's health care is ridiculous IMHO...

    Oh I know, the Insurance Companies Executives paid out the big bucks to lobby government to make health insurance mandatory to ensure they get their bonuses and salary pay increases:evil:
     
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    It's really just trading one group of people waiting for another. Here it's prioritized by who has the money and/or coverage. There it's based on need. Because it's need based and government doesn't have the money to pay for all the people, some will contnue to wait and suffer until government deems they are in enough pain to treat. Sounds real preventive doesn't it.
     
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    clearly, only those who can afford health care deserve it!

    It's hilarious that you can talk out of both sides of your mouth by complaining about waiting lists for medical care while totally disregarding care entirely for those who cannot afford it.
     
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    you had it right in the first line of your post...

    if they can't afford it, they think they don't deserve it.

    because it must be because they're lazy... or they'd be rich.
     
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    Not really what I said. I said you're not really gaining anything. You're just swapping one group of people waiting for another. It's a simple question of do you want the ability to be treated when YOU want to be treated or do you want government to tell you when it decides you should be treated.
     
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    Have you ever thought about why they can't afford it?
    How is it not wrong to force me to pay for their medical care?
    Do you really trust the government to administer this?
    I can't afford anymore of your programs.
     
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    No one suggests we emulate the British System or the French System or any other system. We have a system that is broken, yet, ironically is the best in the world. This paradox provides the special interests to manipulate the stupid voters to continue the status quo and benefits the few, not the many.

    As I've posted many times, I believe the federal government should provide incentives for each state to offer free (i.e. tax payer funded) preventative care for all. Ideally a national program, single payer system of preventative care would provide universal care, but political consideratons make that unlikely.

    I've suggested 435 Clinics be built aroung the country, providing jobs and stimulating local economies. One medical clinic for each Congressional District providing education, information, and preventative care to all citizens in the district. Using ones imagination it is possible to conceive how such a program could reduce costs; providing contraceptives will prevent many unwanted pregnanacies and abortion, education and information may prevent the spread of disease, STD as well as other communicable ones; and the long term costs when early diagnosis leads to early treatment will be better controlled.

    Private insurance for accidents and serious sudden medical conditions would continue to exist, doctors could continue to practice privately though some would work for clinics, HMO's or the government as they do today.

    Of course thinking and using one's imagination is required. Yelling "Socialism!" and not understanding the issue requires little thought and no imagination (Edit: See Mr. Liberty above for one such example).
     
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    Where are the Prince and **** Middleton having their honeymoon ?
    That's a large part of GB's problem. Leeches.
    Sell Fuckingham palace to the Chinese and buy the old hag a double wide trailer. That'll buy a whole bunch of hips.
     
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    How is what you are proposing not socialism?
    So socialized medicine is going to eliminate unwanted pregnancies? These contraceptive are available now, for free. You are not going to change human behavior.
    I and others don't want this. By what right do you have to force it on us?
    If you can come up with a completely volunteer health plan then, I will support it. One that does not violate the liberty even one person. What you and the government have proposed is immoral.
     

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