Does a liberal have the IQ to understand how Republican capitalist health care.....

ACA will require most of us to pay for our own health care insurance. IMO, that's the way it should be.

most?? you mean except for the 110 million, and growing, who get Medicaid Medicare and Schip!

ACA is no help at all since it is not capitalistic, people are not spending their own money and providers are not competing with price and quality for that money!

If you had more than a liberal IQ you would know why the price of computers goes down and the price of health care goes up!!
 
ACA will require most of us to pay for our own health care insurance. IMO, that's the way it should be.

most?? you mean except for the 110 million, and growing, who get Medicaid Medicare and Schip!

ACA is no help at all since it is not capitalistic, people are not spending their own money and providers are not competing with price and quality for that money!

If you had more than a liberal IQ you would know why the price of computers goes down and the price of health care goes up!!

Jesus H Fucking Krist, just shut up already because you just keep getting every single fact about ACA wrong and you will just keep repeating the same shit because you are just plain stupid.

Have you noticed that even the anti-ObamaCare folx know you're wrong?

I do give you credit for leaving your idiotic claim that 'China reduced world poverty by 40%' or whatever it was. Now, LEARN from your own stupidity.
 
Have you noticed that even the anti-ObamaCare folx know you're wrong?

if wrong please say why or admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so

I do give you credit for leaving your idiotic claim that 'China reduced world poverty by 40%' or whatever it was.

too stupid!!! I didn't leave it nor did the UN and others who use it widely to show that the fastest possible way to eliminate poverty on earth is through Republican capitalism as China just demonstrated by eliminating 40% of world poverty simply by switching to Republican captialism.
 
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Have you noticed that even the anti-ObamaCare folx know you're wrong?

if wrong please say why or admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so

I do give you credit for leaving your idiotic claim that 'China reduced world poverty by 40%' or whatever it was.

too stupid!!! I didn't leave it nor did the UN and others who use it widely to show that the fastest possible way to eliminate poverty on earth is through Republican capitalism as China just demonstrated by eliminating 40% of world poverty simply by switching to Republican captialism.

Its not just that you're stupid.

You're also a coward, too afraid to replay to an entire post so you cherry pick and pretend you don't see the rest. You're just an ignorant little troll, a one trick pony and that's all you'll ever be.
 
Have you noticed that even the anti-ObamaCare folx know you're wrong?

if wrong please say why or admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so

I do give you credit for leaving your idiotic claim that 'China reduced world poverty by 40%' or whatever it was.

too stupid!!! I didn't leave it nor did the UN and others who use it widely to show that the fastest possible way to eliminate poverty on earth is through Republican capitalism as China just demonstrated by eliminating 40% of world poverty simply by switching to Republican captialism.

Its not just that you're stupid.

You're also a coward, too afraid to replay to an entire post so you cherry pick and pretend you don't see the rest. You're just an ignorant little troll, a one trick pony and that's all you'll ever be.

please point out your best example of where conservatism/libertarianism is mistaken or admit you lack the IQ to engage on substance. Sorry
 
I do give you credit for leaving your idiotic claim that 'China reduced world poverty by 40%' or whatever it was. Now, LEARN from your own stupidity.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UABa09QsvM]Fareed Zakaria GPS - What in the World? Global poverty paradox - YouTube[/ame]
 
This works on the same principle as nineteenth century markets. No restrictions, so prices were guaranteed to be lower and lower.
Uh, but monopolies developed, cornered markets, controlled prices and gouged everyone.
How does that work again?

we have long had anti-trust laws. Sorry!!!

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow??

I am sory , but those antitrust laws have not stopped medical consolidation to become ubiquitous over the last years.

google the following article "Healthcare consolidation to cause massive inflation".

So while I agree on the fact that having a free market will help on the long run, some stricter measures must be taken to ensure that conditions akin to perfect competition are in place in the healthcare market :
- High number of buyers and sellers - break up of monopolies
- Perfect information - Full disclosure of hospital prices and quality.

It is clear that these conditions have not existed in the last 40 years. Else the USA would not have the most expensive healthcare system in the world.

US health care costs as much as it does #1 because it is the best in the world and #2 because the consumer doesn't pay for it. Competition won't help control costs because the companies that end up paying for your gall bladder surgery are more or less guaranteed a profit margin and 10% of $5,000 is a hell of a lost nicer than 10% of $1,000.
The average citizen is provided health care insurance as part of their benefits package at work and your employer more or less has to pay what the insurance company charges to keep their staff. It doesn't impact their bottom line much at any rate because their competitors have the same cost and everyone simply passes the cost along to their customers, and General Electric enjoys a steady profit margin. Again.... 10% of $1,000,000 fills your pocket deeper than 10% of $50,000.

So... Doctors can practice cover your ass medicine and charge your insurance company five grand for a one thousand dollar procedure and you don't bat an eye.

Because you never see the damned bill!
 
US health care costs as much as it does #1 because it is the best in the world and #2 because the consumer doesn't pay for it. Competition won't help control costs because the companies that end up paying for your gall bladder surgery are more or less guaranteed a profit margin and 10% of $5,000 is a hell of a lost nicer than 10% of $1,000.
The average citizen is provided health care insurance as part of their benefits package at work and your employer more or less has to pay what the insurance company charges to keep their staff. It doesn't impact their bottom line much at any rate because their competitors have the same cost and everyone simply passes the cost along to their customers, and General Electric enjoys a steady profit margin. Again.... 10% of $1,000,000 fills your pocket deeper than 10% of $50,000.

So... Doctors can practice cover your ass medicine and charge your insurance company five grand for a one thousand dollar procedure and you don't bat an eye.

Because you never see the damned bill!

#1 : Sory , but USA doesn't have the best healthcare in the world.
Here's a chart to prove such claim

Life_expectancy_vs_healthcare_spending.jpg


#2 , agreed. In order to have some competition the insurance scheme would have to change, instead of medical insurance a "saving scheme" should be put into place. This would allow people to do medical shoping and find the doctor / hospital which gives the best prices.

There are other alternatives , of course. I am particular fond of the japanese health care system :
patient accepting responsibility for 30% of these costs while the government pays the remaining 70%. ...
Patients are free to select physicians or facilities of their choice and cannot be denied coverage
People without insurance through employers can participate in a national health insurance programme administered by local governments
Hospitals, by law, must be run as non-profit and be managed by physicians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system_in_Japan]Health care system in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and a chart just to prove how cost efficient the system is :

Total_health_expenditure_per_capita%2C_US_Dollars_PPP.png
 
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In a sad way I was introduced to a capitalistic healthcare system. The mother in law's rat terrier was not eating. Vet visit and bill one a month ago. No real diagnosis but better food and some stool softener.

It did not get better. After letting another paycheck roll through she takes the yappie thing back in. They wanna do x-rays. She requests and actually gets an estimate and takes the dog home no x-rays. Well after a night of puking she takes the dog back in and pays for x-rays.

TUMOR! and a decent size one blocking some intestines.

Now when my old man had cancer chemo lengthened his life by a bit under the old Eisenhower era socialist system. But with this dog on the open market the mother in law had to think about tests and biopsies then treatment costs.

Well, it PROBABLY was not going to work and this yappie dog was 9 years old so she drug.her feet a few nights to analyze the cost vs chances of success.

Then last week had the pup creamated. It WAS the responsible thing to do financially after all according to the capitalist death panel ;)

can you say what your point is????

Ed, you doing ok?

1. an open market system rations healthcare by some scale of cost / ability to pay / benefit. You can even call it a death panel.

2. even though health insurance for your dog does exist it is a less regulated, more capitalist system than we have had since the 1950's.

It is terrifying to think what if I had a kid with that problem and we had a healthcare system like the dogs do.
 
I of course am devastated to find that liberal authorities have conclusively *demonstrated that conservatives are stupid. Before I commit suicide over a lifetime wasted promulgating stupid conservative ideas *I wonder if you would be kind enough to present the most substantive example of a conservative/libertarian stupid idea.

My life is on your hands, and I expect to survive the experience without effort. You on the other hand won't be able to present an example and will survive too but in body only because as a liberal you lack the IQ to comprehend your intellectual death.

95% of your posts. Do I need to copy them for you, or can you just *go back and read them?

you say conservatism is mistaken but you are afraid to *present your most substantive example. What does your fear tell you about the liberal IQ and character??

I never said "conservatism is mistaken". I said your posts are. *That's your delusion, that you believe you somehow represent something.
 
In a sad way I was introduced to a capitalistic healthcare system. The mother in law's rat terrier was not eating. Vet visit and bill one a month ago. No real diagnosis but better food and some stool softener.

It did not get better. After letting another paycheck roll through she takes the yappie thing back in. They wanna do x-rays. She requests and actually gets an estimate and takes the dog home no x-rays. Well after a night of puking she takes the dog back in and pays for x-rays.

TUMOR! and a decent size one blocking some intestines.

Now when my old man had cancer chemo lengthened his life by a bit under the old Eisenhower era socialist system. But with this dog on the open market the mother in law had to think about tests and biopsies then treatment costs.

Well, it PROBABLY was not going to work and this yappie dog was 9 years old so she drug.her feet a few nights to analyze the cost vs chances of success.

Then last week had the pup creamated. It WAS the responsible thing to do financially after all according to the capitalist death panel ;)

can you say what your point is????

Ed, you doing ok?

1. an open market system rations healthcare by some scale of cost / ability to pay / benefit. You can even call it a death panel.

2. even though health insurance for your dog does exist it is a less regulated, more capitalist system than we have had since the 1950's.

It is terrifying to think what if I had a kid with that problem and we had a healthcare system like the dogs do.


Just like Special Ed's been parroting over and over again, if we had a republican capitalist healthcare system, every American could save $5,000 a year.

Of course, if you or a family member had a problem that you couldn't afford, que sera sera.
 

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