Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

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    Rush was right. He said (it seems like) over an year ago Fast and Furious was an operation to push for more gun control.

    Read it all here: Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

    Another scandal that the liberals are trying to ignore and everyone else will sure remember when it comes time to vote in 2012.

    We sure don't need four more years of this!

    2012 is coming!

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    Vote Ron Paul. BATF is one of the bureaucracies Ron has scheduled for the trash heap.
     
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    If people don't go to jail over F&F it's a gross miscarriage of justice.
    Just what did the president know and when did he know it?

    F&F, Solyndra--it looks like this might be the most scandal plagued white house since Clinton.
     
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    Well he was Janet's man after all. For those that don't remember she was the Attorney General who offed all those innocent people down in Texas.

    You know the one that tormented, tortured and then killed so many innocent American civilians on American soil. Always remember what Reno did. Always remember it can happen.

    Eric was Janet's man. Eric loves terrorists. Got pardons for Weather Underground home grown terrorist bitches.
     
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    (Time to think about impeachment. Using the machinery of government to neuter, then overturn the Second Amendment, what else is the Communist Community Organizer In Chief up to? The following is a seasoned, highly skilled lawyers assessment of the recent e-mail dump from F&F. The re election of Barack Hussein Obama in 2012 will inevitably lead to a de facto president for life Barack Hussein Obama in 2016.)

    "Was Fast and Furious All About Gun Control?

    The Democrats have longed to impose gun control, or confiscation, for decades, but after a series of electoral defeats they finally backed off. The issue has largely receded from view, although gun owners have remained vigilant. For some time, Second Amendment advocates have suspected that the Obama administration’s gun walking program (“Fast and Furious”) was intended to create a pretext for bringing back the gun control issue. [But with little evidence up till now]

    I have reviewed hundreds of thousands of emails produced in discovery, and am acutely aware that one should not draw cosmic conclusions on the basis of a few ill-chosen words or random references. We certainly want to be fair to the Obama administration officials who were involved in Fast and Furious. But a fundamental question has never been answered: why in the world did the Obama administration not just allow AK-47s and other weapons to be shipped across the border to Mexican drug gangs, but encourage and even finance such transactions, over the objections of jittery gun shop owners and its own veteran agents? If the Obama administration wasn’t trying to set up an argument for more gun control, then what was it trying to do? That question has never been answered.

    If the Obama administration did arrange for the shipment of arms to Mexican drug gangs, not for any legitimate public purpose but in order to advance a left-wing political agenda, and those guns were used to murder hundreds of Mexicans and at least one American border agent–which they were–then we are looking at a scandal that dwarfs any in modern American history"

    Was Fast and Furious All About Gun Control? | Power Line
     
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    (In addition, the Obama Adminstration may have been looking for a "Twofer", besides hogtieing America's Second Amendment rights they also may have been pursuing a more nefarious plan, setting the stage for massive social unrest in Mexico due to Civil War that forced waves of Mexican Immigration into the United States allowing Obama to plead for an open, unrestricted Southern Border for humanitarian reasons. Andy Stern and La Raza would love it)

    "The Obama manipulations to support radical change are now accessories to murder.

    What’s worse, they never even stopped to consider that the very practice they were undertaking provided evidence by itself that perhaps these precautions weren’t necessary. For instance, the gun shop owners were very concerned about the amount of guns that were being sold.

    Now call me crazy, but if you’re trying to get a law passed that prevents the sale of multiple weapons to a single customer but you have to force dealers to do this, doesn’t that indicate that it might not be happening? Forcing people to do something against their better judgment so you can make the case that that very thing must be stopped is the kind of circular logic that only a radicalized Alinskyite could get behind.

    In fact, the gun dealers, who these gun laws would be targeted at, showed a level of concern that seemed to be completely absent from the ATF:

    The ATF politely responded that “We (ATF) are continually monitoring these suspects using a variety of investigative techniques which I cannot go into detail.”

    How’d that work out? Not so great for Agent Brian Terry and countless victims in Mexico.

    Next questions: Who knew about these plans? How early did they know them? How did political considerations make their way into a law enforcement operation?"

    Fast & Furious – ATF Weapons Scheme Designed to Push Gun Control | RedState
     
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    (Congressman John Conyers (D-MI), whose wife is in jail for nefarious activities, leads off the parade of water carriers for Eric Holder then a Virginia Democrat suggests this is all George Bush's fault, then James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) suggests (gasp) impeachment. Meanwhile the Obama Adminstration has sealed the records around Border Agent Brian Terry's murder. Can you imagine the howls of indignation, the screams and the cries, the ocean of spittle, foam, and froth that would be emanating from the NYT and the WaPo if the GWB Administration had done something similar? The LeftMedia's assaults on Congressmen Darrell Issa (R-CA)and James Sensenbrenner are scheduled to begin shortly)


    "Once the opening comments were over, and the actual hearing began, Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) warned Holder that he was tired of not getting the truth on Fast and Furious. He complained that up till now, Holder’s answers had been “gees, somebody else did it.”

    Sensenbrenner then basically said we can do this the easy way or the hard way. He told Holder that the A.G. could either give Congress the truth they were asking for or “impeachment” could be pursued.

    That’s right: Sensenbrenner said “impeachment” to Holder’s face.

    Issa went on to make the point that “Brian Terry is dead today because of this program,” yet Holder and Co. are hesitant to investigate Terry’s murder for fear of uncovering their own culpability to a greater degree. Said Issa: “This justice department is not looking for who killed Brian Terry” in order to preserve their own “plausible deniability.”"

    » Holder Hearings Part One: Rep. Issa Strikes a Blow and Rep. Sensenbrenner Says Holder Could Face Impeachment - Big Government
     
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    I think it was an idea to make gun control laws stricter, they just fucked it up.
     
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    Boy this is bad. First this story comes from CBS News, not some whacked out extremist blog. Second look at the dates.

    "On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

    "Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."

    Brain Terry was killed on December 14, 2010.


    This looks like smoking gun (no pun intended) proof that the ATF did this for political purposes instead of it simply being "a bad idea gone wrong." We'll see how this play out but this is VERY VERY bad.
     
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