Do You Think The Fast & Furious Scandal Is Worse Than Watergate Scandal?

[paulitician]

I love that word "provided". It suggests such a friendly gesture. I'm sure you mean to use it to convey a fact. The US government happily gave the bad guys guns so that they could be used against Americans and innocent Mexicans. It is so obvious.

They did give the guns to the assholes who brutally murdered hundreds of innocents, including American Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. It's fact. Whether they did it 'Happily' or not is irrelevant. Brian Terry's Family still lost a Son and a Brother. You really should reconsider your vigorous defense of the indefensible.

I am most certainly NOT defending the gun-running program. It was a massively stupid program. The people who came up with it should be brought up on charges for being stupid. Don't you agree?

You are getting good at the false outrage, Pauly. You might actually get someone to believe that you give a shit about Terry. Actually pretty disgusting.

No false outrage here. It's very real. FUCK OBAMA & HOLDER!!

 

[LoneLaugher]

If you honestly think a botched police investigation is worse than Watergate, you're such a radical partisan that you're not capable of even elementary reasoning.

This isn't botched 'Police Investigation'.

What planet have you been on? I suggest YOU go back...and soon.

Another willfully ignorant Obamabot. They probably never even heard of 'Fast & Furious.' CNN,NBC, and NPR haven't told them about it, therefore it never happened. Bunch of ignorant nutters.

Look at you. Trying to change the meaning of the word "nutter". Next you'll be calling us Republicans.

 

[Polk]

This isn't botched 'Police Investigation'.

What planet have you been on? I suggest YOU go back...and soon.

That's exactly what it is. Police has been running stings for decades.

Really?Explain Holder denyiong it's existense from the start? Blaming Bush for it (which was refuted TODAY)...

Face it? People DIED. Holder is in deep as is Obama...

You need to wake your ass up son.

This isn't defendable.

Well, there goes more evidence that you don't know what you're talking about by saying the Bush administration wasn't involved (last time I checked, Bush was still in the White House in 2007 when the operation started).

Yeah, a guy died. That's tragic. That doesn't mean the people involved in the sting were engaged in a massive criminal conspiracy.

 

[LoneLaugher]

They did give the guns to the assholes who brutally murdered hundreds of innocents, including American Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. It's fact. Whether they did it 'Happily' or not is irrelevant. Brian Terry's Family still lost a Son and a Brother. You really should reconsider your vigorous defense of the indefensible.

I am most certainly NOT defending the gun-running program. It was a massively stupid program. The people who came up with it should be brought up on charges for being stupid. Don't you agree?

You are getting good at the false outrage, Pauly. You might actually get someone to believe that you give a shit about Terry. Actually pretty disgusting.

No false outrage here. It's very real. FUCK OBAMA & HOLDER!!

There it is. That is your entire focus. You are shamelessly using this issue and Terry's death to advance that simple, lame agenda.

 

[Katzndogz]

If you honestly think a botched police investigation is worse than Watergate, you're such a radical partisan that you're not capable of even elementary reasoning.

This isn't botched 'Police Investigation'.

What planet have you been on? I suggest YOU go back...and soon.

Of course it wasn't a botched police investigation. The police investigation correctly identified the weapons. Therefore it wasn't botched. Unless democrats think that the police should never have conducted an investigation at all. Or just lied about it.

There was no botching. The path led up to Fast and Furious. The documents being requested all occurred AFTER F&F was identified as a government project. How much communication occurred between the justice dept and the white house? That's the question asked. We already know that the guns that killed thousands of mexicans, who knows how many Americans and Brian Terry came from the US. That's not an issue. How much involvement did the presidebt have? Holder said none. If he is telling the truth there is no basis for executive privilege because there was no executive involvement. If there was involvement by the white house, Holder was lying. It has to be one or the other.

The vile little insect pretending to be the president also said that the leaks which could only have come from the white house didn't come from the white house. How many people did those leaks kill?

obama is an out and out liar.

 

[paulitician]

This isn't botched 'Police Investigation'.

What planet have you been on? I suggest YOU go back...and soon.

Another willfully ignorant Obamabot. They probably never even heard of 'Fast & Furious.' CNN,NBC, and NPR haven't told them about it, therefore it never happened. Bunch of ignorant nutters.

Look at you. Trying to change the meaning of the word "nutter". Next you'll be calling us Republicans.

Go watch more CNN & NBC, and pretend your Government didn't murder Brian Terry and hundreds of others. Whatever makes you feel better. But Brian Terry and his Family will receive justice.

 

[Ernie S.]

I think a lot of people on the far right want it to be worse than the watergate scandal.

But.. "No."

Explain!

 

[Polk]

Another willfully ignorant Obamabot. They probably never even heard of 'Fast & Furious.' CNN,NBC, and NPR haven't told them about it, therefore it never happened. Bunch of ignorant nutters.

Look at you. Trying to change the meaning of the word "nutter". Next you'll be calling us Republicans.

Go watch more CNN & NBC, and pretend your Government didn't murder Brian Terry and hundreds of others. Whatever makes you feel better. But Brian Terry and his Family will receive justice.

MSNBC is covering the hearing, but don't tell anyone...

 

[bitterlyclingin]

M'Fer found in contempt. 23 ayes, 17 nays

 

[Ernie S.]

If you honestly think a botched police investigation is worse than Watergate, you're such a radical partisan that you're not capable of even elementary reasoning.

Explain your position.

 

[paulitician]

Look at you. Trying to change the meaning of the word "nutter". Next you'll be calling us Republicans.

Go watch more CNN & NBC, and pretend your Government didn't murder Brian Terry and hundreds of others. Whatever makes you feel better. But Brian Terry and his Family will receive justice.

MSNBC is covering the hearing, but don't tell anyone...

NBC lost all credibility a long time ago. It started when the Dear Leader named GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt his 'Jobs Czar.' GE/NBC is a joke. I'm pretty sure they're working on the old standby 'Blame BOOOOOSH' angle.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This is hardly a blip. Even the right knows its been an enormous waste of money and is only about "getting" President Obama. The funny part is, its the job of the attorney general to decide and mete out punishment.

Meanwhile, the R's are still filibustering, obstructing, sending jobs and money over seas while working hard to take freedoms away from American people.

BTW, there is no doubt that the Rs will vote for contempt.

No surprise there.

 

[Misty]

Watergate was worse, though not as bad as the Bush admin lying to the american people with the fabricated "they have WMD's and we know where they are" BS to go to war with Iraq.

Bullshit. NO ONE GOT KILLED in Watergate.

IDIOT.

That's why I said the Bush admin lying to go to war with Iraq was the worst. Over 4,000 US troops dead because of the scumbag Bush and the GOP shitheads.

Ted Kennedy, Algore, Bill Clinton all said Iraq had wmd's too. Were they all lying? Why?

 

[Sallow]

No by a long shot.

This was part of Criminal Issa's strategy from the get go. He wanted to do 40 investigations every week. He called the Obama administration the most corrupt in history.

He said all these things before Obama had a chance to do anything..and after he stole a maserati.

 

[paulitician]

This is hardly a blip. Even the right knows its been an enormous waste of money and is only about "getting" President Obama. The funny part is, its the job of the attorney general to decide and mete out punishment.

Meanwhile, the R's are still filibustering, obstructing, sending jobs and money over seas while working hard to take freedoms away from American people.

BTW, there is no doubt that the Rs will vote for contempt.

No surprise there.

You defending Holder and his gang murdering Brian Terry is very unfortunate, but very predictable too.

 

[The T]

If you honestly think a botched police investigation is worse than Watergate, you're such a radical partisan that you're not capable of even elementary reasoning.

This isn't botched 'Police Investigation'.

What planet have you been on? I suggest YOU go back...and soon.

Of course it wasn't a botched police investigation. The police investigation correctly identified the weapons. Therefore it wasn't botched. Unless democrats think that the police should never have conducted an investigation at all. Or just lied about it.

There was no botching. The path led up to Fast and Furious. The documents being requested all occurred AFTER F&F was identified as a government project. How much communication occurred between the justice dept and the white house? That's the question asked. We already know that the guns that killed thousands of mexicans, who knows how many Americans and Brian Terry came from the US. That's not an issue. How much involvement did the presidebt have? Holder said none. If he is telling the truth there is no basis for executive privilege because there was no executive involvement. If there was involvement by the white house, Holder was lying. It has to be one or the other.

The vile little insect pretending to be the president also said that the leaks which could only have come from the white house didn't come from the white house. How many people did those leaks kill?

obama is an out and out liar.

Indeed. They were weapons PURCHASED by the United States Government...D O J...in order to trace them...

A US Agent is dead...how many Mexican Citizens?

And for what? To enrage the US public in an effort to stir passions to repeal the Second Amendment?

To 'Control the bitter clingers'? (As Obama put it)?

It stinks.

Holder had the oppritunity to cooperate...he instead gets his boss to ratchet it up to a Constitutional showdown.

 

[Too Tall]

Watergate was worse, though not as bad as the Bush admin lying to the american people with the fabricated "they have WMD's and we know where they are" BS to go to war with Iraq.

Bullshit. NO ONE GOT KILLED in Watergate.

IDIOT.

That's why I said the Bush admin lying to go to war with Iraq was the worst. Over 4,000 US troops dead because of the scumbag Bush and the GOP shitheads.

Here are statements from three prominent Democrats that Bush got his information from. Are you going to call them liars as well?

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

And, I have several dozen more similar statements from Democrats as well as information on WMD's from other free world intelligence agencies. Yet dumb fucks like you think Bush lied.

 

[Sallow]

Bullshit. NO ONE GOT KILLED in Watergate.

IDIOT.

That's why I said the Bush admin lying to go to war with Iraq was the worst. Over 4,000 US troops dead because of the scumbag Bush and the GOP shitheads.

Ted Kennedy, Algore, Bill Clinton all said Iraq had wmd's too. Were they all lying? Why?

Bill Clinton never invaded Iraq..despite the prompting of the PNAC. By the way..the WMD's Clinton was referring to were chemical weapons sold to them by Reagan..to go after Iran.

In any case..when George W. Bush hit Iraq..he used old intel to make his case.

And ginned up the rumours the Iraqis were working on nukes.

In other words..his administration told lies.

 

[paulitician]

No by a long shot.

This was part of Criminal Issa's strategy from the get go. He wanted to do 40 investigations every week. He called the Obama administration the most corrupt in history.

He said all these things before Obama had a chance to do anything..and after he stole a maserati.

Tell it to Brian Terry's Family. It's not about Politics for them. They've had to suffer knowing their Son/Brother was brutally murdered with weapons provided by their own Government. You should be ashamed of yourself for defending Obama & Holder on this. It really is indefensible.

 

[geauxtohell]

This is hardly a blip. Even the right knows its been an enormous waste of money and is only about "getting" President Obama. The funny part is, its the job of the attorney general to decide and mete out punishment.

Meanwhile, the R's are still filibustering, obstructing, sending jobs and money over seas while working hard to take freedoms away from American people.

BTW, there is no doubt that the Rs will vote for contempt.

No surprise there.

It's been funny watching the Right Wing Politburo?Punditry try and pimp this issue.

You would think that, but for F&F, the Mexican Cartels wouldn't have any weapons to kill border agents with. Somehow I doubt that.

What ever happened to "guns don't kill people...."

And if we are going to start getting incredulous about putting weapons in the hands of bad guys:

*cough!* *cough!* Iran Contra... *cough!* *cough!*