Do you think paying teachers extra for increasing test scores from one year from the

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    Do you think paying teachers extra for increasing test scores from one year from the next is a good idea? Maybe some other reforms like within the innercities we can link welfare to a parent's willingness to help their children. Home work, etc. I think we should also allow choices for people to choose either Public education to money or private schools, ect. Why not?

    Another idea for the innercities is classes for teaching the "basic concepts of working hard to being a good father". This would allow for the next generation to improve greatly.
     
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    Yes, I think teachers who show better than average gains from spring to spring testing should get extra pay. But I also think there should be monitors in each classroom so the teachers cannot cheat on these tests. The teachers should never see the tests before they give them, just in instruction booklet. As soon as the test is over, the monitor should taken the tests out of the room.

    Those tests should have an impact on whether the student fails or passes to the next grade. That would take the pass/fail out of the parents and teachers hands so social promotions would not be as prevelant as they are now, leading to students in the fourth grade who cannot read.

    If we had the same criteria of order and diligence in the public schools as there is in the private schools, there wouldn't be the need for vouchers. Have students wear uniforms in public schools, high expectations for doing homework, zero tolerance for violence and high demands on the teachers for meetings with parents when students are not making the expected progress. Teachers should stay one hour after school so any parent can come in and talk with the teacher if they have a concern.
     
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    You raise an interesting question, but one which leads to much deeper issues of teacher evaluation. The problem lies in the fact that no one can prove that specific responses and results come from specific teaching actions. No one can point to any variable within a student's life and say "that's what did it" and thus, rewarding (or punishing) teachers based on test scores, an action which places too much stress on one particular outcome, becomes a problem.

    I teach. Let's say that a student hears that good scores get me money and bad scores make me lose money. And this kid hates me (tough to believe, but, yeah). How motivated (if he doesn't have either his own motivation or some other reason for wanting to succeed) will he be to succeed if he knows that I benefit. Or maybe, the student is brilliant, but can't take standardized tests. Anxiety or even overthinking can make a smart student look bad. Maybe knowing that the test matters so much will drive me to skip other curricular areas and deemphasize thinking and inquiry. Instead, I push test prep. The kids do fine but I haven't really taught anything.

    I justsee too much potential for downside when one decides to judge a teacher based on a single aspect of the educational experience. Does this mean I have a better system? Absolutely not. I have been in administration and the classroom for many years and can't quantify what good (or even successful) teaching is. I just hope I do it and judge my success when the students come back years later, with spouses, jobs and lives, and thank me.
     
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    A merit based remuneration lends itself to the teacher teaching for the test. When doing so the student's individual talents are often overlooked. There very integrity of the learning experience is in jeopardy and the student is not truly being prepared to meet challenges brought by life after school. Moreover, standardized tests may not reflect the intelligence and talents of students who may not have the same frame of reference as those generally taking the tests due to socioeconomic disadvantage, language or any number of variables.
     
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    Successful learning comes from a range of variables: parental help with homework, parental enthusiasm for the school/school in general, teachers connecting with the student, education material being both easily understood and intellectually challenging for the student, proper nutrition, early diagnosis and treatment of learning disabilities, inspiration and motivation for life after graduation, and so on...
     
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    Teachers aren't the primary problem; parents are.
     
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    I don't see any primary problems, I think they all blend equally.
     
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    This is a great list but even it doesn't get to everything. Students are people who change daily or even more frequently. What worked one moment may not work the next. Assessing success may be impossible because we don't know exactly what we are looking for (it changes as well) and therefore, we don't know how to look for it.
     
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    By failing to allow our children to be people and grow as individuals we are fostering a generation that will be dependent upon an paternalistic government. Society will not flourish and our future generations will on an intellectual welfare system.
     
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    LOL! Think about that a little more.
     
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