Do you think it's possible to win a war on terror

[MaggieMae]

I see, a person living in close proximity to a terrorist is partially at fault for what a terrorist does based on where they live. Or simple DNA, what my mother/father/brother/sister do is my fault also.

Okie dokie.

Suicide bombs aren't expensive, AK's aren't, box cutters aren't, but one thing that I do know is expensive and causing a huge impact on the people paying for it is our war on terror.

Yet this is where we find ourselves the alternative is to simply submit to their demands again is this what you are suggesting?

Just how many of those people living in close proximity are in fact supporters? How many of those people give tactful approval of the actions of the terrorists because their is no cost to them? Again they are part of the problem they also have a responsibility to put an end to the activity of the terrorists groups.

Submit to their demands? I haven't said anything remotely like that. I'm demanding border and port security, which no one in Washington on either side of the aisle takes seriously which leaves us wide open for terror attacks around the clock.

Terrorists love us being over there, closer proximity makes us easier to kill and what better motivator for a terrorist group to grow than to go after the people they deem responsbile for attacking their homeland/families?

The problem with tight border control is that we need the trade from both Mexico and Canada, and we need the cheap labor from Mexico. The problem with close examination of containers that arrive in our harbors is that it would slow down distribution. Those are economic conundrums that put wedges into the issues. So we just cross our fingers and pray that a terrorist event just won't ever happen due to easy access to our infrastructure.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Yet this is where we find ourselves the alternative is to simply submit to their demands again is this what you are suggesting?

Just how many of those people living in close proximity are in fact supporters? How many of those people give tactful approval of the actions of the terrorists because their is no cost to them? Again they are part of the problem they also have a responsibility to put an end to the activity of the terrorists groups.

Submit to their demands? I haven't said anything remotely like that. I'm demanding border and port security, which no one in Washington on either side of the aisle takes seriously which leaves us wide open for terror attacks around the clock.

Terrorists love us being over there, closer proximity makes us easier to kill and what better motivator for a terrorist group to grow than to go after the people they deem responsbile for attacking their homeland/families?

The problem with tight border control is that we need the trade from both Mexico and Canada, and we need the cheap labor from Mexico. The problem with close examination of containers that arrive in our harbors is that it would slow down distribution. Those are economic conundrums that put wedges into the issues. So we just cross our fingers and pray that a terrorist event just won't ever happen due to easy access to our infrastructure.

I think with our type of technology if we advocated funds 5% of the funds we use in our war on terror to port and border security we'd be able to secure these things and still keep a fairly efficient rate of activity.

 

[MaggieMae]

We could stop them in their tracks right now, if we let it be known that the bullets and bombs we are using is soaked in pigs blood. It stop them cold the last time this tactic was used. We should do it again.
But noooo, we have to be politically correct.

I'm beginning to think the modern Islamic terrorist doesn't believe in that crap. Bin Laden had a cache of porn, also deemed a mortal sin by Mohammed.

 

[MaggieMae]

We could stop them in their tracks right now, if we let it be known that the bullets and bombs we are using is soaked in pigs blood. It stop them cold the last time this tactic was used. We should do it again.
But noooo, we have to be politically correct.

You can't win a war and be nice to the people you are fighting, it doesn't work.

Only if you pay them, which is why the Patreaus strategy in Iraq worked.

 

[Dr.Drock]

I'm glad to see most agree with me that for the most part the war on terror will never end, I figured it'd be about 50/50.

 

[MaggieMae]

We could stop them in their tracks right now, if we let it be known that the bullets and bombs we are using is soaked in pigs blood. It stop them cold the last time this tactic was used. We should do it again.
But noooo, we have to be politically correct.

That tactic work against Filipino Muslims over 100 years ago who didn't know their religion very well.

Silly people in the West think that pigs blood is some kind of anti-Muslim kryptonite.

The only prohibition in the Qurans not to eat pig meat.

Anything other than that is just superstition and nonsense.

You got any idea how many still believe that they won't go to heaven with pig's blood on them?
Many and I mean many still believe in superstiton, especially the ones that they are recruiting for terrorist jihad, They actually believe that they will go to heaven with the 70 virgins. That is also superstition.

How many? I don't think there are any stats on that. Probably the elders believe in a lot of it, just like elder Jews are the ones who don't want peace with Palestine. But in every Mideast or African country that has been a part of the so-called "Arab Spring" uprising, the revolutionaries average 30 years and younger. They have access to all the modern western means of communication, and have been enlightened. So I'm not so sure there are that many strong followers of the religious restrictions of Islam anymore.

 

[kwc57]

The "war" on terrorism will be as successful as a war on the tide. You can not use conventional means against a tactic like you can a nation. We can put a dent in terrorism and even make people think twice about becoming involved, but not at the end of a soldier's weapon. Covert ops and criminal prosecution will curtail terrorism. Honestly, terrorism needs to quit being front page news. It feeds the cycle because the terrorists are getting the attention they want. Think of all the covert ops during the cold war that you never heard about. They kept you safe with no muss and no fuss. We need to be hunting and killing terrorists and their leaders, but it needs to be kept secret. Media attention and the fear it fosters is as big a part of their weapon as the actual bombs they use. Deprive them of the attention.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yes. Just not with weapons.

 

[High_Gravity]

We have a war that whose goals are not defined, what does victory look like? This president nor Bush properly defined what victory is.

It took us less time to conquer Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan than a third world shit hole like Afghanistan. We must elect someone that will actually end these endless military adventures.

Thats because in Germany and Japan we did what was necessary to win, at the time we were not concerned with winning the hearts and minds of the Japanese and German people. Right now in Afghanistan we are trying to win a war and not offend the Afghans at the same time, thats a recipe for failure.

Even if we left Afganistan having won their hearts and minds, the country has no means of supporting itself economically without foreign aid, except for their poppy industry. This would never be done of course, but one way to maintain a great ongoing relationship with Afghanistan would be to legalize drugs and import that crop. Heroin and other drugs could then be taxed at point of sale like any other imported commodity.

By the time we finish the fight to legalize heroin in this country Afghanistan will be in ruins.

 

[MaggieMae]

Submit to their demands? I haven't said anything remotely like that. I'm demanding border and port security, which no one in Washington on either side of the aisle takes seriously which leaves us wide open for terror attacks around the clock.

Terrorists love us being over there, closer proximity makes us easier to kill and what better motivator for a terrorist group to grow than to go after the people they deem responsbile for attacking their homeland/families?

The problem with tight border control is that we need the trade from both Mexico and Canada, and we need the cheap labor from Mexico. The problem with close examination of containers that arrive in our harbors is that it would slow down distribution. Those are economic conundrums that put wedges into the issues. So we just cross our fingers and pray that a terrorist event just won't ever happen due to easy access to our infrastructure.

I think with our type of technology if we advocated funds 5% of the funds we use in our war on terror to port and border security we'd be able to secure these things and still keep a fairly efficient rate of activity.

So do I, but apparently the "powers that be" don't. They can't even agree on making it a federal law that all new hires, even in the private sector, have to submit to E-Verify identification check (fast and accurate) to confirm their legal status. As a result, we still have illegal immigrants using bogus Social Security numbers to get jobs.

 

[MaggieMae]

I'm glad to see most agree with me that for the most part the war on terror will never end, I figured it'd be about 50/50.

I was going to suggest we give them too much press, which has the unintended result of glorifying their missions. But we can't stop that, either.

I do think Islamic terrorism will end some day because eventually the believers will come to know that violence isn't the path to economic or familial well-being. It's an ideology that doesn't work in the real world.

 

[MaggieMae]

The "war" on terrorism will be as successful as a war on the tide. You can not use conventional means against a tactic like you can a nation. We can put a dent in terrorism and even make people think twice about becoming involved, but not at the end of a soldier's weapon. Covert ops and criminal prosecution will curtail terrorism. Honestly, terrorism needs to quit being front page news. It feeds the cycle because the terrorists are getting the attention they want. Think of all the covert ops during the cold war that you never heard about. They kept you safe with no muss and no fuss. We need to be hunting and killing terrorists and their leaders, but it needs to be kept secret. Media attention and the fear it fosters is as big a part of their weapon as the actual bombs they use. Deprive them of the attention.

I really really did post mine before I read yours!!

 

[Contumacious]

Do you think it's possible to win a war on terror

NO. Let Ms Cindy Sheehan explain:

“Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full well that my son, my family, this nation and this world were betrayed by George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agendas after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy … not for the real reason, because the Arab Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy.”

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[MaggieMae]

Thats because in Germany and Japan we did what was necessary to win, at the time we were not concerned with winning the hearts and minds of the Japanese and German people. Right now in Afghanistan we are trying to win a war and not offend the Afghans at the same time, thats a recipe for failure.

Even if we left Afganistan having won their hearts and minds, the country has no means of supporting itself economically without foreign aid, except for their poppy industry. This would never be done of course, but one way to maintain a great ongoing relationship with Afghanistan would be to legalize drugs and import that crop. Heroin and other drugs could then be taxed at point of sale like any other imported commodity.

By the time we finish the fight to legalize heroin in this country Afghanistan will be in ruins.

But the poppies will keep on popping up even through a scorched earth. When I lived in Southern California, I thought poppies were beautiful and so planted a few as a border to my patio. Although not the genus that produces mind-altering seeds, they grew faster than weeds with no water, lots of water, and even poked through after escaping from weed killer. Hardy little suckers, but they crowded everything else out and I didn't have the room to nurture just a few.

 

[High_Gravity]

Even if we left Afganistan having won their hearts and minds, the country has no means of supporting itself economically without foreign aid, except for their poppy industry. This would never be done of course, but one way to maintain a great ongoing relationship with Afghanistan would be to legalize drugs and import that crop. Heroin and other drugs could then be taxed at point of sale like any other imported commodity.

By the time we finish the fight to legalize heroin in this country Afghanistan will be in ruins.

But the poppies will keep on popping up even through a scorched earth. When I lived in Southern California, I thought poppies were beautiful and so planted a few as a border to my patio. Although not the genus that produces mind-altering seeds, they grew faster than weeds with no water, lots of water, and even poked through after escaping from weed killer. Hardy little suckers, but they crowded everything else out and I didn't have the room to nurture just a few.

Its a shame the poppies can't be used for anything else but heroin.

 

[BlindBoo]

No. The "War on Terror" is a rhetorical catch phrase based on the emotion of terror. We will defeat individual terrorists and even terrorist groups like al Queda. But history shows that new groups and new causes will spring up as time goes on.

 

[Avatar4321]

Its a shame the poppies can't be used for anything else but heroin.

do we know that they can't?

 

[Sunni Man]

That tactic work against Filipino Muslims over 100 years ago who didn't know their religion very well.

Silly people in the West think that pigs blood is some kind of anti-Muslim kryptonite.

The only prohibition in the Qurans not to eat pig meat.

Anything other than that is just superstition and nonsense.

You got any idea how many still believe that they won't go to heaven with pig's blood on them?
Many and I mean many still believe in superstiton, especially the ones that they are recruiting for terrorist jihad, They actually believe that they will go to heaven with the 70 virgins. That is also superstition.

How many? I don't think there are any stats on that. Probably the elders believe in a lot of it, just like elder Jews are the ones who don't want peace with Palestine. But in every Mideast or African country that has been a part of the so-called "Arab Spring" uprising, the revolutionaries average 30 years and younger. They have access to all the modern western means of communication, and have been enlightened. So I'm not so sure there are that many strong followers of the religious restrictions of Islam anymore.

Not to be rude but you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[Bill Angel]

The "war" on terrorism will be as successful as a war on the tide. You can not use conventional means against a tactic like you can a nation. We can put a dent in terrorism and even make people think twice about becoming involved, but not at the end of a soldier's weapon. Covert ops and criminal prosecution will curtail terrorism. Honestly, terrorism needs to quit being front page news. It feeds the cycle because the terrorists are getting the attention they want. Think of all the covert ops during the cold war that you never heard about. They kept you safe with no muss and no fuss. We need to be hunting and killing terrorists and their leaders, but it needs to be kept secret. Media attention and the fear it fosters is as big a part of their weapon as the actual bombs they use. Deprive them of the attention.

Yes, there were "covert ops" during the cold war, but they were not necessarily successful.
See Laotian Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was a war that both the USA and the communists wanted to keep secret, but that the communists ultimately won.

 

[BlindBoo]

And so the alternative is what? Are you suggesting people should just submit to what the terrorists want

No, just take a more defend our country approach than attack all of their countries approach.

Killing people's families and attacking their homeland creates more hate than defending ones ports and borders.

The way I see it is that its a matter of economics we prosecute the war on terror in a way that makes it so damned expensive for the other side that they have no choice to either stop what they are doing or be forced to stop by the indigenous population.

And no I have no problem killing people familys to end the blood shed they are also part of the process in that they are responsible for curbing the animals unless they feel the pain equally there is no reason for the terror to stop

How terrifying! Al Queda(and many other terrorist groups) also justify killing innocent people as well.