CDZ Do you support California wanting to implement micro stamping on guns?

[2aguy]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Why do you continue to rail against responsible gun ownership?

I don't rail against responsible gun ownership. I fight against taking guns away from law abiding citizens, leaving them defenseless in the face of criminals who get guns illegally, and who the democrats keep letting out of jail, over and over again. It is those criminals who use guns to commit murder, and micro stamping isn't meant to stop them, it is meant to force gun makers out of California since the technology is a waste of time, money and manpower... a gun ban for law abiding gun owners while criminals get guns easily.....

Why do you think that this would actually work...please explain?

 

[fncceo]

Pretty easy mod to swap out the firing pin. Sounds like an investment opportunity.

 

[2aguy]

Pretty easy mod to swap out the firing pin. Sounds like an investment opportunity.

Or just run a file across it....

 

[Pilot1]

NO. It is a joke.

 

[jwoodie]

Knowing the gun a bullet came from helps stop crime

How so?

 

[Leo123]

I'm sure the criminals are shaking in their boots at the prospect of micro stamping because it's against the law to file off a serial number or a micro stamp. As usual, the only people affected by 'gun control' are law abiding citizens.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Of course not.
But if they want to make the males of calipornia a bunch of neutered soy boys more power to em.

 

[jon_berzerk]

How is the futuristic ( since it does not exist now) micro stamping supposed to work

tiny numbers on a firing pin

serial number in the chamber

how is this supposed to work

im asking because how easily it could be and would be defeated

 

[Toronado3800]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

There are ways around it. Many criminals aren't that smart.

It doesn't greatly affect me. I'd let em do it if it were my vote, we've already discussed similar registration ideas though so I'm just chiming in incase you're keeping tally. Have a good evening.

 

[Skull Pilot]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Forensically speaking all firing pins leave unique marks on shell casings not unlike the barrel of a gun will leave unique striations on a slug.

There is no scientific reason that stamping firing pins will be an advantage forensically.

 

[rightwinger]

I have also heard where they can put tracers into the gunpowder so they can tell who bought the bullets

Criminals tremble....NRA Blocks it

Actually, it was pixie dust.... they get it from the fairy kingdoms, place it in the bullets and the Elf Queen can tell us who committed the crime.... it is all just as scientific as it sounds...

Why do you oppose regulations that will catch criminals?

Got something to hide?

 

[rightwinger]

I'm sure the criminals are shaking in their boots at the prospect of micro stamping because it's against the law to file off a serial number or a micro stamp. As usual, the only people affected by 'gun control' are law abiding citizens.

How does it affect you?

 

[Lysistrata]

Great idea. It would help us trace them.

 

[MarathonMike]

It sounds like a waste of technology, money and time. In other words exactly the sort of nanny state intrusion that gives the Left that warm fuzzy that they have done SOMETHING to solve the gun problem.

 

[2aguy]

Great idea. It would help us trace them.

No... it wouldn't....

 

[Leo123]

I'm sure the criminals are shaking in their boots at the prospect of micro stamping because it's against the law to file off a serial number or a micro stamp. As usual, the only people affected by 'gun control' are law abiding citizens.

How does it affect you?

More useless cost.