Do you support abolishing the Federal Dept of Education?

Do you support abolishing the Fed Dept of Ed in favor of Parents and the States?

  • Yes

    Votes: 75 78.1%
  • No

    Votes: 21 21.9%

  • Total voters
    96
If conservatives have the answers to better education, why is it that the worst states, educationally,

are the more conservative ones?

I think that if you believe evidence of results has any merit, you would want your kids educated in the manner of places like Massachusetts rather than places like Mississippi.

who gathers the information that shows who state leads?
Yeah, just look where LIBERAL California ranks these days.

They're not liberal, they're authoritarian.

They represent "group think" bullshit.... Or collectivism.

True liberalism is individualism....

The group think rats can't stand individualism....
 
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Do you support abolishing the Fed Dept of Ed in favor of Parents and the States?

Yes, what have they done for us lately. Looking at the decline in student performance there seems to be a correlation to the D of E power grab.
 
Do you support abolishing the Fed Dept of Ed in favor of Parents and the States?

Yes, what have they done for us lately. Looking at the decline in student performance there seems to be a correlation to the D of E power grab.
Not to mention Social promotions that do more harm than good.

Just look at the electorate and whom they vote into office. It doesn't cease just because they graduate...
 
Do you support abolishing the Fed Dept of Ed in favor of Parents and the States?

Yes, what have they done for us lately. Looking at the decline in student performance there seems to be a correlation to the D of E power grab.
Not to mention Social promotions that do more harm than good.

Just look at the electorate and whom they vote into office. It doesn't cease just because they graduate...

Seems like the electorate has vacilated on whom they have elected. Are you biased towards a particular outcome? From here it looks like none have a clue.
 
Do you support abolishing the Fed Dept of Ed in favor of Parents and the States?

Yes, what have they done for us lately. Looking at the decline in student performance there seems to be a correlation to the D of E power grab.
Not to mention Social promotions that do more harm than good.

Just look at the electorate and whom they vote into office. It doesn't cease just because they graduate...

Seems like the electorate has vacilated on whom they have elected. Are you biased towards a particular outcome? From here it looks like none have a clue.
I am. First learning thier own government and the Founders and the precept of this Republic for starters...

Real history...not the revisionist crap they are taught that Government is thier saviour and will pay them if they screw up thier own liberty.
 
Do you support abolishing the Fed Dept of Ed in favor of Parents and the States?

Yes, what have they done for us lately. Looking at the decline in student performance there seems to be a correlation to the D of E power grab.

The decline in performance is due to the fact that teachers are now nothing more than state social workers brainwashing children with socialism...

I highly doubt the majority of urban teachers could pass a GED exam....
 
Do you support abolishing the Fed Dept of Ed in favor of Parents and the States?

Yes, what have they done for us lately. Looking at the decline in student performance there seems to be a correlation to the D of E power grab.

if you have a problem with our educational system i suggest you take it up with each state and then each local chapter ( school board.)

The feds have very little if anything to do with standards.

But you guys rather ignore the facts and truth and just circle jerk each other.

Your stupid shit is a fantastic example of our education system...

What the fuck makes you believe anyone is advocating federal government intervention? is that a knee-jerk reaction or your stupidity?
 
Not to mention Social promotions that do more harm than good.

Just look at the electorate and whom they vote into office. It doesn't cease just because they graduate...

Seems like the electorate has vacilated on whom they have elected. Are you biased towards a particular outcome? From here it looks like none have a clue.
I am. First learning thier own government and the Founders and the precept of this Republic for starters...

Real history...not the revisionist crap they are taught that Government is thier saviour and will pay them if they screw up thier own liberty.

Ahh but they are supposed to save the rich and the corporates,heh? The government should outlaw labor relations and collective bargaining. They should not protect people's right to happiness and freedom from oppression, heh? Not that the rich has any undue influence or leverage... Oh, but they should not regulate against any interest of a rich man. They should not question if that rich man pays a small % of taxes as compared to his secretary. After all he is the job creator who is not creating any jobs.
 
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Do you support abolishing the Fed Dept of Ed in favor of Parents and the States?

Yes, what have they done for us lately. Looking at the decline in student performance there seems to be a correlation to the D of E power grab.

The decline in performance is due to the fact that teachers are now nothing more than state social workers brainwashing children with socialism...

I highly doubt the majority of urban teachers could pass a GED exam....

we doubt you could either.


Who the hell is "we"....

Your language indicates you couldn't pass a 5th grade English test.
 
In favor of returning education to Parents and the States?
It doesnt matter who is in charge they DO NOT have the right to over ride me on the raising of my kids! My kids dont have the right to disrespect me because the government says they dont have to listen.

Yup!!!
 
In favor of returning education to Parents and the States?
It doesnt matter who is in charge they DO NOT have the right to over ride me on the raising of my kids! My kids dont have the right to disrespect me because the government says they dont have to listen.

Yup!!!

It's only a matter of time before the will have state social workers showing up at your door threatening to take your kids away because they do not possess the right train of thought.
 
Absolutely the role of the Federal government in education should ONLY be one small office--probably ten or twelve employees could handle it--to receive data from each public and private school in the country and homeschooled. Test scores, curriculum offered, graduation rates, college acceptance rates, etc. could be transmitted by computer from each school and organized by computer at the federal level to be a comprehensive data base.

Also college entrance requirements from each college and university in the country should be part of the data base.

That way, each school, and parents, would have access to data to compare the local performance with all other schools in their area and state and all other states.

Otherwise each state, and preferably each school district should be governed by their local school board and that board, parents, and teachers together would decide on curriculum, class size, qualifications of teachers, pay grades, and standards for promotion for kids and teachers.

Other than managing that central data base, the federal government should stay entirely out of it. Even participating in the data base should be voluntary, but any school and the community it represented would be at a severe disadvantage if they chose to opt out.
 
After we get rid of the Dept of Education we need to get rid of the EPA and the IRS.

Just think about how much it would save us if we just got rid of them. It would balance the budget overnight.
 
Absolutely the role of the Federal government in education should ONLY be one small office--probably ten or twelve employees could handle it--to receive data from each public and private school in the country and homeschooled. Test scores, curriculum offered, graduation rates, college acceptance rates, etc. could be transmitted by computer from each school and organized by computer at the federal level to be a comprehensive data base.

Also college entrance requirements from each college and university in the country should be part of the data base.

That way, each school, and parents, would have access to data to compare the local performance with all other schools in their area and state and all other states.

Otherwise each state, and preferably each school district should be governed by their local school board and that board, parents, and teachers together would decide on curriculum, class size, qualifications of teachers, pay grades, and standards for promotion for kids and teachers.

Other than managing that central data base, the federal government should stay entirely out of it. Even participating in the data base should be voluntary, but any school and the community it represented would be at a severe disadvantage if they chose to opt out.

hmmmm and why do they need any of that and why pray tell is it any of their damn business?
 
Absolutely the role of the Federal government in education should ONLY be one small office--probably ten or twelve employees could handle it--to receive data from each public and private school in the country and homeschooled. Test scores, curriculum offered, graduation rates, college acceptance rates, etc. could be transmitted by computer from each school and organized by computer at the federal level to be a comprehensive data base.

Also college entrance requirements from each college and university in the country should be part of the data base.

That way, each school, and parents, would have access to data to compare the local performance with all other schools in their area and state and all other states.

Otherwise each state, and preferably each school district should be governed by their local school board and that board, parents, and teachers together would decide on curriculum, class size, qualifications of teachers, pay grades, and standards for promotion for kids and teachers.

Other than managing that central data base, the federal government should stay entirely out of it. Even participating in the data base should be voluntary, but any school and the community it represented would be at a severe disadvantage if they chose to opt out.

hmmmm and why do they need any of that and why pray tell is it any of their damn business?

They don't NEED it. But it would be an important and highly useful service that the federal government could legitimately provide in the interest of the general welfare.

How would any school district know how good a job its school board, administrators, and teachers were doing in education without some way to compare their progress with others? It would be a huge job for a local school to research changing entrance requirements, tuition, fees, etc. for every institution of higher learning so that they could counsel the kids on how to prepare and show them their options of where they might like to go. A central federal data base could collect and dispense that information effortless however, most especially in this high tech computer age.

The school that opted out of the system would have the complete right to do so, but would do so at the peril of parents avoiding that district or employers unwilling to locate in a community with a potentially inferior education system. As long as the school was in the data base and can show it is on a par with other school in the area and state and country, there is no problem. And it is a huge incentive to do the best job possible in education.
 
Absolutely the role of the Federal government in education should ONLY be one small office--probably ten or twelve employees could handle it--to receive data from each public and private school in the country and homeschooled. Test scores, curriculum offered, graduation rates, college acceptance rates, etc. could be transmitted by computer from each school and organized by computer at the federal level to be a comprehensive data base.

Also college entrance requirements from each college and university in the country should be part of the data base.

That way, each school, and parents, would have access to data to compare the local performance with all other schools in their area and state and all other states.

Otherwise each state, and preferably each school district should be governed by their local school board and that board, parents, and teachers together would decide on curriculum, class size, qualifications of teachers, pay grades, and standards for promotion for kids and teachers.

Other than managing that central data base, the federal government should stay entirely out of it. Even participating in the data base should be voluntary, but any school and the community it represented would be at a severe disadvantage if they chose to opt out.

hmmmm and why do they need any of that and why pray tell is it any of their damn business?

They don't NEED it. But it would be an important and highly useful service that the federal government could legitimately provide in the interest of the general welfare.

How would any school district know how good a job its school board, administrators, and teachers were doing in education without some way to compare their progress with others? It would be a huge job for a local school to research changing entrance requirements, tuition, fees, etc. for every institution of higher learning so that they could counsel the kids on how to prepare and show them their options of where they might like to go. A central federal data base could collect and dispense that information effortless however, most especially in this high tech computer age.

The school that opted out of the system would have the complete right to do so, but would do so at the peril of parents avoiding that district or employers unwilling to locate in a community with a potentially inferior education system. As long as the school was in the data base and can show it is on a par with other school in the area and state and country, there is no problem. And it is a huge incentive to do the best job possible in education.

Seems like Google is all the database they may need. Any backward state will show itself rather handily. Kinda like Perry is getting outed now :)
 
You simply CAN'T gripe about National Standards and National Assessment Tests --- AND continue to support direct Federal meddling in public education !!!

Sorry NYCarb and the others that think that way.. It's not rational.. If the FEDs can't MEASURE and survey and set limits without pissing off nearly EVERYBODY --- it's not a good idea.. Which is a shame because I DO SUPPORT National testing and assessment. If you can't DO THAT --- THen shut it down NOW! Because without measurement -- there is no solution from D.C..
 
.... and BTW -- why is it that when debate candidates and citizens toss out there favorite DC dept to be closed that COMMERCE is never mentioned? 90% of COMMERCE is corporate welfare and handouts. They are an ad agency and piggy bank for corporations. Put the 10% elsewhere and close THEM first...

THe FED input on training and curriculum should be to coordinate new technologies and paradigms. THis could be done in a small corner of HHS..
 
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