do you people even know what the 2nd ammendment says ?

Original intent had the army made up of people from the militias.

We weren't meant, at least constitutionally, to have professional soldiers.
No...The professional army was federal, while the militias were strictly state-run organizations.

A professional army was provided for in the Constitution and its funding is limited to 2-year periods....You can look it up.

Oh right.

Which is why the Continental army was disbanded.

No professional army is provided for..
That it was disbanded is irrelevant to the issue.

A professional army is provided for in Article 1, Section 8.

That a professional army exists and is provided for in the Constitution does not by extension mean that I approve of that which we have today.
 
Okay, smartass, then you can own 1-2 of these ARMS:

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And after you pass the background test... 1 of these:

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Fine if we use your logic then you have no freedom of speech on the internet, on a computer or phone. Further you have no right to privacy while using a phone, the internet or any other modern device.

As per the Bush administration..

You don't.

Then after the expansion of the Bush administration they can kill you even if your a US citizen, or just toss you in jail for umm, ever... until they figure out a reason why they put you there. Tell us swallow, what horrible policies of Bush and the evil Republicans did the Dems and their Demi-God Obama repeal? Hell, you can just start crapping out a list like unwanted diarrhea when it comes to Bush era policies Dems and Obama expanded upon…
 
its conservatives not understanding it thats the problem, nowhere does it say people can have guns, never.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Seems simple... a little too simple... So of course it must actually mean you ~!don't!~ have the right to bear arms... Yes, that's it!

It says "the people", i.e. a complete gun ban would be unconstitutional. It does not prohibit preventing certain individuals from owning weapons. So, things like licenses and background checks are only common sense methods for making sure they don't fall into the wrong hands. If the amendment was meant to be universal, they would have used the word "person", as found in other amendments.

Hey.............even when I was a member of the Security Force up in Newport RI, before being allowed to carry weapons, we were REQUIRED to go through training, as well as follow all procedures checking weapons in and out, and understood the behavior requried of us while we were carrying a weapon.

Me personally? Cars are dangerous, and can kill people, which is why we all have to get liscences to drive them. I'd be in favor of something like that for guns.

I'd also like to see the ammo manufacturers start coding the ammo that is sold (they currently have the ability to do so), so that when weapons are fired in situations like this, we can trace the ammo back to who sold it, where it was sold at, and who the person was who bought it.
 
The intent behind this was for the American People to have the ability to form a militia should their own government become too oppressive and thus have the ability to protect themselves. The abuses are in the history of all of Europe and the great minds which came from all of those countries knew it had to be a part of this new nation. The individual had to have the means to defend himself against his own government. It's pretty damn plain.

No it wasn't.

Congress has the power to call out the militia to suppress insurrection.

Read the Constitution.

Helps if you actually read the Constitution.

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

Article I | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

You suck at this..

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
 
The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.



and this part is mentioned in the constitution where ? Ill save you the bother its not

Nope just an explanation from a supreme court justice as to why the 2nd Amendment is in the Constitution and the intent behind it. I could provide much more but you're really not worth the effort.
 
Fine if we use your logic then you have no freedom of speech on the internet, on a computer or phone. Further you have no right to privacy while using a phone, the internet or any other modern device.

As per the Bush administration..

You don't.

Then after the expansion of the Bush administration they can kill you even if your a US citizen, or just toss you in jail for umm, ever... until they figure out a reason why they put you there. Tell us swallow, what horrible policies of Bush and the evil Republicans did the Dems and their Demi-God Obama repeal? Hell, you can just start crapping out a list like unwanted diarrhea when it comes to Bush era policies Dems and Obama expanded upon…

Go peddle your homo shit elsewhere faggot.

Men are talking here.

We don't need your 'swallowing' services.
 
No it wasn't.

Congress has the power to call out the militia to suppress insurrection.

Read the Constitution.

Helps if you actually read the Constitution.



Article I | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

You suck at this..

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

You claimed the Constitution did not provide for the raising and paying for or maintaining a PROFESSIONAL military. The one that sucks at this is you.
 
it gives the right to bear arms to a "well regulated militia", not to people, not to individuals or home or business owners, that was to legislate for the raising of a police force. lawyers argued that you or your house or your family could be considered a militia, which is why you have guns now, but that was never the intention and its not even what the constitution says.

you are so off base, it isn't even funny. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. This was already decided by the Supreme Court per the DC vs Heller decision in 2008. This is the law of our land.

2nd Amendment Bearing Arms - U.S. Constitution - Findlaw

so if you want to continue to have your delusion because you don't understand our laws or our Constitution, feel free, but at least educate yourself first.
 
USSC disagrees with you, comrade.

Yet many on the idiot fringe where odd-dude resides argue Marbury v. Madison is flawed; no where in the Constitution is the authority/power given to the USSC to decide on the Constitutionality of a law, they argue.

How about that odd-dude? Where do you stand, with the idiot fringe or on their far edge?
 
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USSC disagrees with you, comrade.

Yet many on the idiot fringe where odd-dude resides argue Marbury v. Madison is flawed; no where in the Constitution is the authority/power given to the USSC to decide on the Constitutionality of a law.

How about that odd-dude? Where do you stand, with the idiot fringe or on their far edge?

Not true. The Constitution specifically states that the Supreme Court has jurisdiction on any matter between a State and the Federal Government and between an individual and the federal Government.
 
how the hell does anyone think a gun protects them from the us govt in 2012 jesus christ, have you seen the guns theyve got, it hasnt protected al qaeda very well has it

are you even aware that Hitler confiscated all personal firearms in Germany even though he had the SA, Wehrmacht & Gestapo backing him up?
 
USSC disagrees with you, comrade.

Yet many on the idiot fringe where odd-dude resides argue Marbury v. Madison is flawed; no where in the Constitution is the authority/power given to the USSC to decide on the Constitutionality of a law.

How about that odd-dude? Where do you stand, with the idiot fringe or on their far edge?

You might want to read Article 3, Section 2. Ya might learn something.
 
who were allowed to bear arms in their work with the militia once it was raised, the police force is also made up of private citizens, so is the air force so should everyone be able to have a stealth bomber ?

ps - there are no socialist policies in america and even if there were a gun couldnt protect you from them you fucking clown
Obamacare is a socialist policy fool. Whatch your mouth libtard idiot.

I have a degree in politics. you dont know what socialism is.


And, you don't know the Supreme Court has already ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an INDIVIDUAL right?

That's scary.
 
USSC disagrees with you, comrade.

Yet many on the idiot fringe where odd-dude resides argue Marbury v. Madison is flawed; no where in the Constitution is the authority/power given to the USSC to decide on the Constitutionality of a law.

How about that odd-dude? Where do you stand, with the idiot fringe or on their far edge?

Not true. The Constitution specifically states that the Supreme Court has jurisdiction on any matter between a State and the Federal Government and between an individual and the federal Government.

You idiot, Judicial Review is the issue at hand.
 
Nesta seems to have stirred the pot and disappeared, leaving y'all fighting among yourselves.

Typical troll behavior, but it worked...didn't it?
 
Yet many on the idiot fringe where odd-dude resides argue Marbury v. Madison is flawed; no where in the Constitution is the authority/power given to the USSC to decide on the Constitutionality of a law.

How about that odd-dude? Where do you stand, with the idiot fringe or on their far edge?

Not true. The Constitution specifically states that the Supreme Court has jurisdiction on any matter between a State and the Federal Government and between an individual and the federal Government.

You idiot, Judicial Review is the issue at hand.

And the only time an issue appears about Constitutionality is when a State or States oppose what the federal Government has doe, or an individual does the same.

Remind me the last time the Supreme Court took a law passed by Congress and signed by the President and tried to determine if it was Constitutional or not with out first a State or private Individual bringing a Court case to the federal Courts?
 
USSC disagrees with you, comrade.

Yet many on the idiot fringe where odd-dude resides argue Marbury v. Madison is flawed; no where in the Constitution is the authority/power given to the USSC to decide on the Constitutionality of a law.

How about that odd-dude? Where do you stand, with the idiot fringe or on their far edge?

You might want to read Article 3, Section 2. Ya might learn something.

Quote wherein Judicial Review is listed as a power provided to the USSC?

Read this or any article on Judicial Review:

Marbury v. Madison and the Establishment of Judicial Review
 
Yet many on the idiot fringe where odd-dude resides argue Marbury v. Madison is flawed; no where in the Constitution is the authority/power given to the USSC to decide on the Constitutionality of a law.

How about that odd-dude? Where do you stand, with the idiot fringe or on their far edge?

You might want to read Article 3, Section 2. Ya might learn something.

Quote wherein Judicial Review is listed as a power provided to the USSC?

Read this or any article on Judicial Review:

Marbury v. Madison and the Establishment of Judicial Review

I don't need to. The Constitution is clear. When a State or an Individual has a dispute with the Federal Government, the court that makes the final decision on that dispute is the Supreme Court. There is no need to claim any thing like Judicial review separate from what the Constitution states is the legal Court of last resort.
 
Yet many on the idiot fringe where odd-dude resides argue Marbury v. Madison is flawed; no where in the Constitution is the authority/power given to the USSC to decide on the Constitutionality of a law.

How about that odd-dude? Where do you stand, with the idiot fringe or on their far edge?

You might want to read Article 3, Section 2. Ya might learn something.

Quote wherein Judicial Review is listed as a power provided to the USSC?

Read this or any article on Judicial Review:

Marbury v. Madison and the Establishment of Judicial Review
That means that Heller is the law of the land, tovarich.
 

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