do you people even know what the 2nd ammendment says ?

[Oddball]

I dont (sic) know who that is and dont (sic) care anyway, I speak english (sic) perfectly well, and I know militia does not mean you or me or any individual.

Then you neither know English nor that the militia is made up of individuals.

So far, you're O-fer.

 

[nesta]

lol you need to educate yourself about socialism.


as for the supreme court they interpreted that individuals can be considered militias, so can have guns. clearly individuals are not militias, ergo the constitution says no guns for individuals.

 

[nesta]

I dont (sic) know who that is and dont (sic) care anyway, I speak english (sic) perfectly well, and I know militia does not mean you or me or any individual.

Then you neither know English nor that the militia is made up of individuals.

So far, you're O-fer.

the dictionary definition of militia, youll note individuals are not included

The term militia ( /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] or irregular army, is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[3]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
A subset of these who may be legally penalized for failing to respond to a call-up.
A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or state defense forces.
The national police forces in several former communist states such as the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries, but also in the non-aligned SFR Yugoslavia. The term was inherited in Russia, and other former CIS countries. See: Militia (Police).
In France the equivalent term "Milice" has become tainted due to its use by notorious collaborators with Nazi Germany.[citation needed]
A select militia is composed of a small, non-representative portion of the population,[4] often politicized.

 

[tap4154]

Yep, Jefferson wanted the citizens armed to protect from gov't tyranny. Gov'ts that are about to go "tin pot" grab guns as the first step.

"Well-regulated" does not refer to restrictive gun laws. it means in good working order, as in a well-regulated mechanical time piece.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

lol you need to educate yourself about socialism.


as for the supreme court they interpreted that individuals can be considered militias, so can have guns. clearly individuals are not militias, ergo the constitution says no guns for individuals.

In EVERY Paragraph and sentence in the Constitution where it says "the people" it is understood to mean an individual right, promise or protection. But you dumb asses want to claim the 2nd is different.

Further the Supreme Court is the FINAL arbitrator on what is and is not Constitutional. You don't like their ruling? Pass an Amendment or write a law that is Constitutional.

Look it up, provide us the quoted 2nd Amendment and then explain why it says the right of the people shall not be infringed.

 

[OKTexas]

it gives the right to bear arms to a "well regulated militia", not to people, not to individuals or home or business owners, that was to legislate for the raising of a police force. lawyers argued that you or your house or your family could be considered a militia, which is why you have guns now, but that was never the intention and its not even what the constitution says.

Really, this is what one of the first justices of the supreme court said about it.

Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1890--91
1833

§ 1890. The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendIIs10.html

Want to try again?

 

[Oddball]

I dont (sic) know who that is and dont (sic) care anyway, I speak english (sic) perfectly well, and I know militia does not mean you or me or any individual.

Then you neither know English nor that the militia is made up of individuals.

So far, you're O-fer.

the dictionary definition of militia, youll note individuals are not included

The term militia ( /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] or irregular army, is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[3]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
A subset of these who may be legally penalized for failing to respond to a call-up.
A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or state defense forces.
The national police forces in several former communist states such as the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries, but also in the non-aligned SFR Yugoslavia. The term was inherited in Russia, and other former CIS countries. See: Militia (Police).
In France the equivalent term "Milice" has become tainted due to its use by notorious collaborators with Nazi Germany.[citation needed]
A select militia is composed of a small, non-representative portion of the population,[4] often politicized.

Clearly, you have NFI, or you wouldn't have needed to copy-n-paste that dreck.

The 2nd Amendment militia comprises private citizens...Always has, always will...Period...End of sentence.

And your grasp of English still sucks.

 

[AmericanFirst]

lol you need to educate yourself about socialism.


as for the supreme court they interpreted that individuals can be considered militias, so can have guns. clearly individuals are not militias, ergo the constitution says no guns for individuals.

Keep lying idiot.

 

[nesta]

The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.



and this part is mentioned in the constitution where ? Ill save you the bother its not

 

[AmericanFirst]

Then you neither know English nor that the militia is made up of individuals.

So far, you're O-fer.

the dictionary definition of militia, youll note individuals are not included

The term militia ( /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] or irregular army, is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[3]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
A subset of these who may be legally penalized for failing to respond to a call-up.
A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or state defense forces.
The national police forces in several former communist states such as the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries, but also in the non-aligned SFR Yugoslavia. The term was inherited in Russia, and other former CIS countries. See: Militia (Police).
In France the equivalent term "Milice" has become tainted due to its use by notorious collaborators with Nazi Germany.[citation needed]
A select militia is composed of a small, non-representative portion of the population,[4] often politicized.

Clearly, you have NFI, or you wouldn't have needed to copy-n-paste that dreck.

The 2nd Amendment militia comprises private citizens...Always has, always will...Period...End of sentence.

And your grasp of English still sucks.

His grasp of intelligence is thin.

 

[nesta]

Then you neither know English nor that the militia is made up of individuals.

So far, you're O-fer.

the dictionary definition of militia, youll note individuals are not included

The term militia ( /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] or irregular army, is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[3]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
A subset of these who may be legally penalized for failing to respond to a call-up.
A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or state defense forces.
The national police forces in several former communist states such as the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries, but also in the non-aligned SFR Yugoslavia. The term was inherited in Russia, and other former CIS countries. See: Militia (Police).
In France the equivalent term "Milice" has become tainted due to its use by notorious collaborators with Nazi Germany.[citation needed]
A select militia is composed of a small, non-representative portion of the population,[4] often politicized.

Clearly, you have NFI, or you wouldn't have needed to copy-n-paste that dreck.

The 2nd Amendment militia comprises private citizens...Always has, always will...Period...End of sentence.

And your grasp of English still sucks.

so what, the army is composed of private citizens, so can people have a tank if they want too ? idiot

 

[nesta]

lol you need to educate yourself about socialism.


as for the supreme court they interpreted that individuals can be considered militias, so can have guns. clearly individuals are not militias, ergo the constitution says no guns for individuals.

In EVERY Paragraph and sentence in the Constitution where it says "the people" it is understood to mean an individual right, promise or protection. But you dumb asses want to claim the 2nd is different.

Further the Supreme Court is the FINAL arbitrator on what is and is not Constitutional. You don't like their ruling? Pass an Amendment or write a law that is Constitutional.

Look it up, provide us the quoted 2nd Amendment and then explain why it says the right of the people shall not be infringed.

it doesnt say the people with regard to bearing arms

 

[AmericanFirst]

the dictionary definition of militia, youll note individuals are not included

The term militia ( /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] or irregular army, is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[3]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
A subset of these who may be legally penalized for failing to respond to a call-up.
A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or state defense forces.
The national police forces in several former communist states such as the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries, but also in the non-aligned SFR Yugoslavia. The term was inherited in Russia, and other former CIS countries. See: Militia (Police).
In France the equivalent term "Milice" has become tainted due to its use by notorious collaborators with Nazi Germany.[citation needed]
A select militia is composed of a small, non-representative portion of the population,[4] often politicized.

Clearly, you have NFI, or you wouldn't have needed to copy-n-paste that dreck.

The 2nd Amendment militia comprises private citizens...Always has, always will...Period...End of sentence.

And your grasp of English still sucks.

so what, the army is composed of private citizens, so can people have a tank if they want too ? idiot

You are the idiot.

 

[Sallow]

it gives the right to bear arms to a "well regulated militia", not to people, not to individuals or home or business owners, that was to legislate for the raising of a police force. lawyers argued that you or your house or your family could be considered a militia, which is why you have guns now, but that was never the intention and its not even what the constitution says.

The militia's were made up of private citizens. Another libtard trying to justify gun control. The Gov't., dimwits, want to take our guns so we can't protect ourselves against their socialist acts.

Yep. You got that part right..

The second amendment was meant as a check against federal power..that is..the federal government would not have a standing army under it's control. Only a part time one. And one that could only be assembled by an act of congress. And funded temporarily..as needed.

The Navy was meant to be permanent.

Not the army.

Today's military, in it's present configuration, is one of the most SOCIALIST institutions in the world.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

the dictionary definition of militia, youll note individuals are not included

The term militia ( /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] or irregular army, is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[3]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
A subset of these who may be legally penalized for failing to respond to a call-up.
A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or state defense forces.
The national police forces in several former communist states such as the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries, but also in the non-aligned SFR Yugoslavia. The term was inherited in Russia, and other former CIS countries. See: Militia (Police).
In France the equivalent term "Milice" has become tainted due to its use by notorious collaborators with Nazi Germany.[citation needed]
A select militia is composed of a small, non-representative portion of the population,[4] often politicized.

Clearly, you have NFI, or you wouldn't have needed to copy-n-paste that dreck.

The 2nd Amendment militia comprises private citizens...Always has, always will...Period...End of sentence.

And your grasp of English still sucks.

so what, the army is composed of private citizens, so can people have a tank if they want too ? idiot

I repeat for the stupid and slow... quote the amendment, then exp;lain why the Founders used the term the right of the people shall not be infringed. It is clearly understood in every other sentence in the Constitution that "the People" means individual citizens.

 

[Oddball]

the dictionary definition of militia, youll note individuals are not included

The term militia ( /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] or irregular army, is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[3]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
A subset of these who may be legally penalized for failing to respond to a call-up.
A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or state defense forces.
The national police forces in several former communist states such as the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries, but also in the non-aligned SFR Yugoslavia. The term was inherited in Russia, and other former CIS countries. See: Militia (Police).
In France the equivalent term "Milice" has become tainted due to its use by notorious collaborators with Nazi Germany.[citation needed]
A select militia is composed of a small, non-representative portion of the population,[4] often politicized.

Clearly, you have NFI, or you wouldn't have needed to copy-n-paste that dreck.

The 2nd Amendment militia comprises private citizens...Always has, always will...Period...End of sentence.

And your grasp of English still sucks.

so what, the army is composed of private citizens, so can people have a tank if they want too ? idiot

The militia is comprised of private citizens, not the army...That's why there are two separate words to describe and discern between them.

You really suck at the English language, dontcha?

 

[konradv]

Clearly, you have NFI, or you wouldn't have needed to copy-n-paste that dreck.

The 2nd Amendment militia comprises private citizens...Always has, always will...Period...End of sentence.

And your grasp of English still sucks.

so what, the army is composed of private citizens, so can people have a tank if they want too ? idiot

The militia is comprised of private citizens, not the army...That's why there are two separate words to describe and discern between them.

You really suck at the English language, dontcha?

Why not personal nuclear weapons? What's having a mere gun going to do against the power of the state?

 

[hazlnut]

it gives the right to bear arms to a "well regulated militia", not to people, not to individuals or home or business owners, that was to legislate for the raising of a police force. lawyers argued that you or your house or your family could be considered a militia, which is why you have guns now, but that was never the intention and its not even what the constitution says.

The militia's were made up of private citizens. Another libtard trying to justify gun control. The Gov't., dimwits, want to take our guns so we can't protect ourselves against their socialist acts.

Okay, smartass, then you can own 1-2 of these ARMS:

And after you pass the background test... 1 of these:

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Since you are to stupid to actually read the Amendment I will quote it for you.....

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Second Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

Now at even a 2nd grade level of reading one can clearly see that a portion of the sentence says "the right of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms"

care to try again explaining how it does not state that individuals can possess and own firearms?

 

[Sallow]

so what, the army is composed of private citizens, so can people have a tank if they want too ? idiot

The militia is comprised of private citizens, not the army...That's why there are two separate words to describe and discern between them.

You really suck at the English language, dontcha?

Why not personal nuclear weapons? What's having a mere gun going to do against the power of the state?

The conservative interpretation of the amendment is pretty dangerous.