Do You Mind That The President Lied?

[Iridescence]

a president lied?

color me stunned

I think that the most notable difference was the buildup of Obama. Almost as if he were the be all end all. The man attained a Nobel Peace Prize while in office for what 2 weeks? Everyone said he was 'change' and how wonderful he was. And all he is-- is more of the same. A legendary rock star status was his aura or one that was artificially built up and those supporters said he could never do any wrong—and some to this day refuse to see he is doing the much of the same as the man they wanted him to replace.

Very well put...

I'm not sure what amazes me most: What seemed to be 'the whole country' rooted and tooted for a great change and yet our silly asses are spoiled by our instantaneous 'give it to me now' way of modernized supposedly more wise way of living OR The fact that we elect a couple of new faces to carry the same labels within the same structure representing the same damnable deeds and expect the aforementioned 'change'.

Holy hell, the whole said situation amazes me. Stagnancy is a bitch but chaos is not necessarily deliverance.

 

[Bfgrn]

OP Assumptions:

Obama operates all by his lonesome.
A president can manage a bunch of corporate stooges.
Money, aka greed, has no effect on legislation.
Speculative thought is reality.
Statistical assumptions are reality.
Our 37th ranked insurance based medical system is just hunky-dory.
Pieces like this are written by unbiased people.
Election words are like fairytales, they all come true.

and number one: The writers are fair people who have a neutral opinion of our president and really really are concerned with medical costs and the care of Americans.

And they wonder why we call them wingnuts!

PS If you believe their honest and unbiased opinion, call me I have some wonderful swampland for you, cheap.

So Obama's lies don't matter. We all must remain neutral. Yet another face saving attempt.

I'll attempt to snap you back to reality.

Thinking positive doesn't make Obama's constant lies OK.

If we catch our representatives lying to us, we get rid of them. You want to coddle them because they're just trying to help the poor, they claim. This is a lie of course.

You're under the assumption we don't care about the rising costs of medical care, but you ignore the fact that it has been discovered that Obamacare doesn't address costs. Instead it makes health care more expensive. The goal isn't to help. The goal is place it under governmental control by squeezing out any competition. But because of the source of this information you refuse to believe it. I suggest you research it yourself rather then take anyone's opinion.

Obama's constant lies are fine. Socialism has worked before in other countries so why not here. Obama lies to us to get what he wants, but the end product will be health care for everyone, enough health care for everyone and we can make the rich pay for it.

This is all a lie of course. Everyone will have to pay for it.

You figure this is a small price to pay because you believe the government can do it cheaper and more efficiently, because the health care system is so screwed up now. Little do you know that the government is the primary cause of this. But you still believe the government can do it better as long as they're in full control.

Problem is you're lying to yourself if you believe that.

So what you're saying...this really IS

 

[mudwhistle]

OP Assumptions:

Obama operates all by his lonesome.
A president can manage a bunch of corporate stooges.
Money, aka greed, has no effect on legislation.
Speculative thought is reality.
Statistical assumptions are reality.
Our 37th ranked insurance based medical system is just hunky-dory.
Pieces like this are written by unbiased people.
Election words are like fairytales, they all come true.

and number one: The writers are fair people who have a neutral opinion of our president and really really are concerned with medical costs and the care of Americans.

And they wonder why we call them wingnuts!

PS If you believe their honest and unbiased opinion, call me I have some wonderful swampland for you, cheap.

So Obama's lies don't matter. We all must remain neutral. Yet another face saving attempt.

I'll attempt to snap you back to reality.

Thinking positive doesn't make Obama's constant lies OK.

If we catch our representatives lying to us, we get rid of them. You want to coddle them because they're just trying to help the poor, they claim. This is a lie of course.

You're under the assumption we don't care about the rising costs of medical care, but you ignore the fact that it has been discovered that Obamacare doesn't address costs. Instead it makes health care more expensive. The goal isn't to help. The goal is place it under governmental control by squeezing out any competition. But because of the source of this information you refuse to believe it. I suggest you research it yourself rather then take anyone's opinion.

Obama's constant lies are fine. Socialism has worked before in other countries so why not here. Obama lies to us to get what he wants, but the end product will be health care for everyone, enough health care for everyone and we can make the rich pay for it.

This is all a lie of course. Everyone will have to pay for it.

You figure this is a small price to pay because you believe the government can do it cheaper and more efficiently, because the health care system is so screwed up now. Little do you know that the government is the primary cause of this. But you still believe the government can do it better as long as they're in full control.

Problem is you're lying to yourself if you believe that.

So what you're saying...this really IS

Whatever you want to call it.

Democrats will always believe what they believe. They conspire with others to get what they want, be it the media, be it bloggers, be it unions.

Just because they're conspiring to get what they want it doesn't mean it's hogwash. They may not even have a master plan, or some of the negative effects from their actions may not even turn out exactly how they planned. If things go wrong they can always blame somebody else for it. After all, they control most of the media.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I had the good fortune to see the lecture by the authors of “Why Obamacare is Wrong for America,” Turner, Capreta, Miller and Moffit.

1. The subtitle is instructive: “ How the New Health Care Law Drives Up Costs, Puts Government in Charge of Your Decisions, and Threatens Your Constitutional Rights.”

2. Review the claims originally announced by the President. “When he ran for office, Obama said that his health care plan "will cut the cost of a typical family's premium by $2,500."( Time to curb Obamacare - SFGate) “The average, unsubsidized premium per person covered (including dependents) for new nongroup policies would be about 10 percent to 13 percent higher in 2016…” Director's Blog » Blog Archive » An Analysis of Health Insurance Premiums under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act


a. “Remember when Barack Obama promised that his health-care overhaul would “bend the cost curve downward” and arrest rapid increases in costs? ObamaCare bends the cost curve “In April 2010, Medicare’s Office of the Actuary released an analysis showing that the new law would increase national health care spending by more than $311 billion over the next ten years.” Obamacare repeal and the CBO | Pundit House


b. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." “Taxpayers earning less than $200,000 a year will pay roughly $3.9 billion more in taxes — in 2019 alone — due to healthcare reform, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress's official scorekeeper.” JCT: Healthcare law to sock middle class with a $3.9 billion tax increase in 2019 - The Hill's On The Money Thus, eight out of ten affected would be making under $200 K. Further, the 40% excise tax on “Cadillac” plans is largely a middle class tax.


c. “Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform.” (Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform - CNN) “Douglas Elmendorf, director of the Congressional Budget Office, says that simply isn’t true.” CBO: Medicare cuts mean benefit cuts « Hot Air And “The actuary's office has projected those cuts would eventually force about 15 percent of providers into the red.” (Obama's HealthCare Won't Help Sick Old People, What Will Happen To Them?) “would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.” Study shows ObamaCare would cut Medicare services, providers « Hot Air And seniors in medicare advantage: “MA enrollees will total about $3,700 annually by 2017, or a nearly 27 percent cut from what would have occurred without the new law.” How Do Obamacare and the Obama Tax Hikes Effect Seniors? - AskHeritage


d. “That is why I have pledged that I will not sign health insurance reform that adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” (Obama: Health Care Reform Won't Add "One Dime" To Deficit - Hotline On Call) “The Congressional Budget Office on Tuesday released a new estimate attributing $115 billion in additional spending to the new national health care law, driving the full cost over the first decade to over $1 trillion.” The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : CBO Sees $115 Billion in Added ObamaCare Costs

e. “Overall, CBO says the ACA’s tax hikes will reach 1.2 percent of GDP in 2035, or a whopping $180 billion annually in today’s terms.” That would be 5%-10% increases in taxes.(Health Care Repeal Won't Add to the Deficit - WSJ.com) Further, the bill in not inflation-indexed, which meant that “bracket-creep” will assure that the taxes on the ‘rich,’ the $250 K incomes of today will be on folks earning the equivalent of today’s $130 K in 2030.


While I try to avoid such strong language as 'lied,' one is hard pressed to find an explanation for the above other than purposeful lying, or being totally clueless.....

You choose.

How come your "data" comes from "Pundit House" and "Blogs"?

Deanie!

I that you??

Well, you're on the right track...and it's almost a post!

Next step, after the oh-so-sophomoric 'I don't subscribe to the source' you should try to graduate to actually finding a basis for disagreement.

In other words, can you rebut any of the statements?

Any?


Then, they must be true, eh?

 

[Iridescence]

Whatever you want to call it.

______________________________________________ (all political parties and religious foundations/organizations both recognized and unrecognized fit here) will always believe what they believe. They conspire with others to get what they want, be it the media, be it bloggers, be it unions.

Just because they're conspiring to get what they want it doesn't mean it's hogwash. They may not even have a master plan, or some of the negative effects from their actions may not even turn out exactly how they planned. If things go wrong they can always blame somebody else for it. After all, they control most of the media.

....just sayin'.

 

[Bfgrn]

So Obama's lies don't matter. We all must remain neutral. Yet another face saving attempt.

I'll attempt to snap you back to reality.

Thinking positive doesn't make Obama's constant lies OK.

If we catch our representatives lying to us, we get rid of them. You want to coddle them because they're just trying to help the poor, they claim. This is a lie of course.

You're under the assumption we don't care about the rising costs of medical care, but you ignore the fact that it has been discovered that Obamacare doesn't address costs. Instead it makes health care more expensive. The goal isn't to help. The goal is place it under governmental control by squeezing out any competition. But because of the source of this information you refuse to believe it. I suggest you research it yourself rather then take anyone's opinion.

Obama's constant lies are fine. Socialism has worked before in other countries so why not here. Obama lies to us to get what he wants, but the end product will be health care for everyone, enough health care for everyone and we can make the rich pay for it.

This is all a lie of course. Everyone will have to pay for it.

You figure this is a small price to pay because you believe the government can do it cheaper and more efficiently, because the health care system is so screwed up now. Little do you know that the government is the primary cause of this. But you still believe the government can do it better as long as they're in full control.

Problem is you're lying to yourself if you believe that.

So what you're saying...this really IS

Whatever you want to call it.

Democrats will always believe what they believe. They conspire with others to get what they want, be it the media, be it bloggers, be it unions.

Just because they're conspiring to get what they want it doesn't mean it's hogwash. They may not even have a master plan, or some of the negative effects from their actions may not even turn out exactly how they planned. If things go wrong they can always blame somebody else for it. After all, they control most of the media.

Thank you for admitting...

Hey, Lee Harvey...if the evil dems are conspiring to take over health care, WHY didn't they pass single payer or at least start with a public option?

They are coy those evil dems...the fuckers passed a carbon copy of the health care bill proposed by Republicans in 1993, including the Heritage Foundation's individual mandate to boot. Talk about stealth...WOW!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

I had the good fortune to see the lecture by the authors of “Why Obamacare is Wrong for America,” Turner, Capreta, Miller and Moffit.

1. The subtitle is instructive: “ How the New Health Care Law Drives Up Costs, Puts Government in Charge of Your Decisions, and Threatens Your Constitutional Rights.”

2. Review the claims originally announced by the President. “When he ran for office, Obama said that his health care plan "will cut the cost of a typical family's premium by $2,500."( Time to curb Obamacare - SFGate) “The average, unsubsidized premium per person covered (including dependents) for new nongroup policies would be about 10 percent to 13 percent higher in 2016…” Director's Blog » Blog Archive » An Analysis of Health Insurance Premiums under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act


a. “Remember when Barack Obama promised that his health-care overhaul would “bend the cost curve downward” and arrest rapid increases in costs? ObamaCare bends the cost curve “In April 2010, Medicare’s Office of the Actuary released an analysis showing that the new law would increase national health care spending by more than $311 billion over the next ten years.” Obamacare repeal and the CBO | Pundit House


b. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." “Taxpayers earning less than $200,000 a year will pay roughly $3.9 billion more in taxes — in 2019 alone — due to healthcare reform, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress's official scorekeeper.” JCT: Healthcare law to sock middle class with a $3.9 billion tax increase in 2019 - The Hill's On The Money Thus, eight out of ten affected would be making under $200 K. Further, the 40% excise tax on “Cadillac” plans is largely a middle class tax.


c. “Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform.” (Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform - CNN) “Douglas Elmendorf, director of the Congressional Budget Office, says that simply isn’t true.” CBO: Medicare cuts mean benefit cuts « Hot Air And “The actuary's office has projected those cuts would eventually force about 15 percent of providers into the red.” (Obama's HealthCare Won't Help Sick Old People, What Will Happen To Them?) “would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.” Study shows ObamaCare would cut Medicare services, providers « Hot Air And seniors in medicare advantage: “MA enrollees will total about $3,700 annually by 2017, or a nearly 27 percent cut from what would have occurred without the new law.” How Do Obamacare and the Obama Tax Hikes Effect Seniors? - AskHeritage


d. “That is why I have pledged that I will not sign health insurance reform that adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” (Obama: Health Care Reform Won't Add "One Dime" To Deficit - Hotline On Call) “The Congressional Budget Office on Tuesday released a new estimate attributing $115 billion in additional spending to the new national health care law, driving the full cost over the first decade to over $1 trillion.” The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : CBO Sees $115 Billion in Added ObamaCare Costs

e. “Overall, CBO says the ACA’s tax hikes will reach 1.2 percent of GDP in 2035, or a whopping $180 billion annually in today’s terms.” That would be 5%-10% increases in taxes.(Health Care Repeal Won't Add to the Deficit - WSJ.com) Further, the bill in not inflation-indexed, which meant that “bracket-creep” will assure that the taxes on the ‘rich,’ the $250 K incomes of today will be on folks earning the equivalent of today’s $130 K in 2030.


While I try to avoid such strong language as 'lied,' one is hard pressed to find an explanation for the above other than purposeful lying, or being totally clueless.....

You choose.

You don't live in a bubble? Honestly, I can't believe you went to a lecture with the amount of time you spent cutting and pasting hate Obama messages.

I love it when you guys can do no better than complain about how I present material, but have no counter to the material itself...

Don't you realize that posts like this come across as a three year old, squeezing his eyes shut, and balling up his little hands, and whining " I don't like you, I don't like you...."



Can't tell you how crushed I feel.
Keep up the good work.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I had the good fortune to see the lecture by the authors of “Why Obamacare is Wrong for America,” Turner, Capreta, Miller and Moffit.



b. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." “Taxpayers earning less than $200,000 a year will pay roughly $3.9 billion more in taxes — in 2019 alone — due to healthcare reform, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress's official scorekeeper.” JCT: Healthcare law to sock middle class with a $3.9 billion tax increase in 2019 - The Hill's On The Money Thus, eight out of ten affected would be making under $200 K. Further, the 40% excise tax on “Cadillac” plans is largely a middle class tax.



While I try to avoid such strong language as 'lied,' one is hard pressed to find an explanation for the above other than purposeful lying, or being totally clueless.....

You choose.

ok, this is what i have so far>



Under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax. The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation who often downsize their homes. Does this stuff make your November and 2012 vote more important?
Oh, you weren't aware this was in the obamacare bill? Guess what, you aren't alone. There are more than a few members of Congress that aren't aware of it either

ObamaCare Flatlines: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans - Blog - GOP.govi'm having a bit of a time applying the obameter>

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are about PolitiFact's Top Promises

but i'm fairly certain it will appear eventually as 1/2 the truth a lie, the devil being in the details. For instance being over the 250K income limit means being unaffected (by the Hill article) , so it depends who BarryO is addressing

being under that limit, i'm not overly enthused about sharing my retirement nest egg with the gov's health care nazi's, nor am i about them apperaing at the door of my biz

but what we can plainly see here, is this is another weapons of mass destruction scenario, where all the information is shill, Congress votes on it (yes it was a bipart HC bill) , and the potus is hung out to dry on the details

so would you care to explain the dif PC?

or do we simply place Obama and Bush in the same penalty box?

WOW...talk about LIES. Your link to GOP.gov is a blatant LIE...

Health care law institutes a sales tax on home sales? No, it doesn't

Pants on Fire!

A new chain e-mail wrongly claims that the 2010 health care law will institute a new tax on home sales.

Here's the e-mail a reader recently forwarded to us:

"Under the new health care bill -- did you know that all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama's re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation who often downsize their homes. Is this Hope & Change great or what? Does this stuff makes (sic) your November and 2012 votes more important?

PolitiFact | Health care law institutes a sales tax on home sales? No, it doesn't

This is one of the easiest to make fun of.....not that you aren't always easy to make fun of.
(sorry to end the sentence with a preposition)

Is there a tax on the sale of a home in the fraudualent 'healthcare' bill?

Yes.


Absolutely.


What you have identified and have proven beyond a doubt is that politifact is an attempt to bamboozle, and you are, still, a dolt.


Have someone with an education above your third grade equivalency read post #13 to you....and, of course, explain same.

Here, let me give you a head-start: under conditions of a certain level of wealth, there is said tax on the sale of your home.

But, then again, you didn't argue with the OP...you slyly inserted some bogus e-mail (as though you actually have a friend who e-mails to you...BoringFriendlessGuy)...

so, what have you proven?

That you are never too old to learn something stupid.

 

[Bfgrn]

ok, this is what i have so far>



Under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax. The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation who often downsize their homes. Does this stuff make your November and 2012 vote more important?
Oh, you weren't aware this was in the obamacare bill? Guess what, you aren't alone. There are more than a few members of Congress that aren't aware of it either

ObamaCare Flatlines: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans - Blog - GOP.govi'm having a bit of a time applying the obameter>

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are about PolitiFact's Top Promises

but i'm fairly certain it will appear eventually as 1/2 the truth a lie, the devil being in the details. For instance being over the 250K income limit means being unaffected (by the Hill article) , so it depends who BarryO is addressing

being under that limit, i'm not overly enthused about sharing my retirement nest egg with the gov's health care nazi's, nor am i about them apperaing at the door of my biz

but what we can plainly see here, is this is another weapons of mass destruction scenario, where all the information is shill, Congress votes on it (yes it was a bipart HC bill) , and the potus is hung out to dry on the details

so would you care to explain the dif PC?

or do we simply place Obama and Bush in the same penalty box?

WOW...talk about LIES. Your link to GOP.gov is a blatant LIE...

Health care law institutes a sales tax on home sales? No, it doesn't

Pants on Fire!

A new chain e-mail wrongly claims that the 2010 health care law will institute a new tax on home sales.

Here's the e-mail a reader recently forwarded to us:

"Under the new health care bill -- did you know that all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama's re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation who often downsize their homes. Is this Hope & Change great or what? Does this stuff makes (sic) your November and 2012 votes more important?

PolitiFact | Health care law institutes a sales tax on home sales? No, it doesn't

This is one of the easiest to make fun of.....not that you aren't always easy to make fun of.
(sorry to end the sentence with a preposition)

Is there a tax on the sale of a home in the fraudualent 'healthcare' bill?

Yes.


Absolutely.


What you have identified and have proven beyond a doubt is that politifact is an attempt to bamboozle, and you are, still, a dolt.


Have someone with an education above your third grade equivalency read post #13 to you....and, of course, explain same.

Here, let me give you a head-start: under conditions of a certain level of wealth, there is said tax on the sale of your home.

But, then again, you didn't argue with the OP...you slyly inserted some bogus e-mail (as though you actually have a friend who e-mails to you...BoringFriendlessGuy)...

so, what have you proven?

That you are never too old to learn something stupid.

You are willfully leaving out pertinent details...WHY PC? The e-mail is a deception.

The health care law imposes a 3.8 percent tax on the investment income of couples who make more than $250,000 or individuals who make more than $200,000. That investment income could include income from real estate transactions. But it would only apply to those high earners, who make up less than 5 percent of all taxpayers. We're not sure why the e-mail extrapolates this tax to all real estate transactions, but that's the only 3.8 percent tax we could find in the new law. We ran this by two tax policy experts who confirmed our analysis of the new law.

Under current law, workers pay Medicare hospital taxes on wages. Workers and employers split a 2.9 percent tax; the self-employed pay all of it.

The new tax marks the first time investment income will be subject to Medicare taxes, said Clint Stretch, the managing principal for tax policy at Deloitte Tax LLP. We should point out that the government currently taxes investment income in various ways and could have simply raised current rates.

But lawmakers wanted to link the new revenues to health care, Stretch said. "The point of doing it as a Medicare tax was to have the money go to the Medicare trust fund and have it act like a tax that is paying for health care. So there is additional complexity," he said.

And by the way, if you're an empty-nester of any means, and you're thinking of downsizing, part of your profits are already tax-free. There are long-standing tax exemptions on the profits from home sales. In general, if you sell your own home, individuals are not taxed on the first $250,000 of profit and married couples are not taxed on the first $500,000 of profit. Again, that's profit, not the sales price.

If you're wealthy and sell your home at a substantial profit, it's possible you might get hit with the new 3.8 percent tax on investment income. Most Americans won't have to worry about this, though.

Not that our chain e-mail acknowledges any of those pesky facts. It says that a 3.8 percent tax applies to all real estate transactions as a sales tax. That is not the case. The e-mail seems intended to scare people, particularly older Americans, and it urges them to vote a particular way based on false information. And for that, we award this chain e-mail a Pants on Fire!

 

[PoliticalChic]

WOW...talk about LIES. Your link to GOP.gov is a blatant LIE...

Health care law institutes a sales tax on home sales? No, it doesn't

Pants on Fire!

A new chain e-mail wrongly claims that the 2010 health care law will institute a new tax on home sales.

Here's the e-mail a reader recently forwarded to us:

"Under the new health care bill -- did you know that all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama's re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation who often downsize their homes. Is this Hope & Change great or what? Does this stuff makes (sic) your November and 2012 votes more important?

PolitiFact | Health care law institutes a sales tax on home sales? No, it doesn't

This is one of the easiest to make fun of.....not that you aren't always easy to make fun of.
(sorry to end the sentence with a preposition)

Is there a tax on the sale of a home in the fraudualent 'healthcare' bill?

Yes.


Absolutely.


What you have identified and have proven beyond a doubt is that politifact is an attempt to bamboozle, and you are, still, a dolt.


Have someone with an education above your third grade equivalency read post #13 to you....and, of course, explain same.

Here, let me give you a head-start: under conditions of a certain level of wealth, there is said tax on the sale of your home.

But, then again, you didn't argue with the OP...you slyly inserted some bogus e-mail (as though you actually have a friend who e-mails to you...BoringFriendlessGuy)...

so, what have you proven?

That you are never too old to learn something stupid.

You are willfully leaving out pertinent details...WHY PC? The e-mail is a deception.

The health care law imposes a 3.8 percent tax on the investment income of couples who make more than $250,000 or individuals who make more than $200,000. That investment income could include income from real estate transactions. But it would only apply to those high earners, who make up less than 5 percent of all taxpayers. We're not sure why the e-mail extrapolates this tax to all real estate transactions, but that's the only 3.8 percent tax we could find in the new law. We ran this by two tax policy experts who confirmed our analysis of the new law.

Under current law, workers pay Medicare hospital taxes on wages. Workers and employers split a 2.9 percent tax; the self-employed pay all of it.

The new tax marks the first time investment income will be subject to Medicare taxes, said Clint Stretch, the managing principal for tax policy at Deloitte Tax LLP. We should point out that the government currently taxes investment income in various ways and could have simply raised current rates.

But lawmakers wanted to link the new revenues to health care, Stretch said. "The point of doing it as a Medicare tax was to have the money go to the Medicare trust fund and have it act like a tax that is paying for health care. So there is additional complexity," he said.

And by the way, if you're an empty-nester of any means, and you're thinking of downsizing, part of your profits are already tax-free. There are long-standing tax exemptions on the profits from home sales. In general, if you sell your own home, individuals are not taxed on the first $250,000 of profit and married couples are not taxed on the first $500,000 of profit. Again, that's profit, not the sales price.

If you're wealthy and sell your home at a substantial profit, it's possible you might get hit with the new 3.8 percent tax on investment income. Most Americans won't have to worry about this, though.

Not that our chain e-mail acknowledges any of those pesky facts. It says that a 3.8 percent tax applies to all real estate transactions as a sales tax. That is not the case. The e-mail seems intended to scare people, particularly older Americans, and it urges them to vote a particular way based on false information. And for that, we award this chain e-mail a Pants on Fire!

I know I play into your neuroses when I respond to you, but this one is just too precious to ignore...

1. I didn't write the e-mail, did not send the e-mail, have nothing to do with the e-mail.

2. Our friend Sparky added the idea, in his post, and I explained it in Post #13.

3. You used your crayons to scream about 'lies.'

4. But now, you are chagrined, chastised and contrite!
I take full credit for that!

See how different your tone is after the spanking:"If you're wealthy and sell your home at a substantial profit, it's possible ...blah, blah, blah."
Good work, Inspector Clouseau!

5. I note that you neglected to include the word 'sorry'...

Another chance?

 

[Wry Catcher]

I had the good fortune to see the lecture by the authors of “Why Obamacare is Wrong for America,” Turner, Capreta, Miller and Moffit.

1. The subtitle is instructive: “ How the New Health Care Law Drives Up Costs, Puts Government in Charge of Your Decisions, and Threatens Your Constitutional Rights.”

2. Review the claims originally announced by the President. “When he ran for office, Obama said that his health care plan "will cut the cost of a typical family's premium by $2,500."( Time to curb Obamacare - SFGate) “The average, unsubsidized premium per person covered (including dependents) for new nongroup policies would be about 10 percent to 13 percent higher in 2016…” Director's Blog » Blog Archive » An Analysis of Health Insurance Premiums under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act


a. “Remember when Barack Obama promised that his health-care overhaul would “bend the cost curve downward” and arrest rapid increases in costs? ObamaCare bends the cost curve “In April 2010, Medicare’s Office of the Actuary released an analysis showing that the new law would increase national health care spending by more than $311 billion over the next ten years.” Obamacare repeal and the CBO | Pundit House


b. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." “Taxpayers earning less than $200,000 a year will pay roughly $3.9 billion more in taxes — in 2019 alone — due to healthcare reform, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress's official scorekeeper.” JCT: Healthcare law to sock middle class with a $3.9 billion tax increase in 2019 - The Hill's On The Money Thus, eight out of ten affected would be making under $200 K. Further, the 40% excise tax on “Cadillac” plans is largely a middle class tax.


c. “Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform.” (Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform - CNN) “Douglas Elmendorf, director of the Congressional Budget Office, says that simply isn’t true.” CBO: Medicare cuts mean benefit cuts « Hot Air And “The actuary's office has projected those cuts would eventually force about 15 percent of providers into the red.” (Obama's HealthCare Won't Help Sick Old People, What Will Happen To Them?) “would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.” Study shows ObamaCare would cut Medicare services, providers « Hot Air And seniors in medicare advantage: “MA enrollees will total about $3,700 annually by 2017, or a nearly 27 percent cut from what would have occurred without the new law.” How Do Obamacare and the Obama Tax Hikes Effect Seniors? - AskHeritage


d. “That is why I have pledged that I will not sign health insurance reform that adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” (Obama: Health Care Reform Won't Add "One Dime" To Deficit - Hotline On Call) “The Congressional Budget Office on Tuesday released a new estimate attributing $115 billion in additional spending to the new national health care law, driving the full cost over the first decade to over $1 trillion.” The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : CBO Sees $115 Billion in Added ObamaCare Costs

e. “Overall, CBO says the ACA’s tax hikes will reach 1.2 percent of GDP in 2035, or a whopping $180 billion annually in today’s terms.” That would be 5%-10% increases in taxes.(Health Care Repeal Won't Add to the Deficit - WSJ.com) Further, the bill in not inflation-indexed, which meant that “bracket-creep” will assure that the taxes on the ‘rich,’ the $250 K incomes of today will be on folks earning the equivalent of today’s $130 K in 2030.


While I try to avoid such strong language as 'lied,' one is hard pressed to find an explanation for the above other than purposeful lying, or being totally clueless.....

You choose.

You don't live in a bubble? Honestly, I can't believe you went to a lecture with the amount of time you spent cutting and pasting hate Obama messages.

I love it when you guys can do no better than complain about how I present material, but have no counter to the material itself...

Don't you realize that posts like this come across as a three year old, squeezing his eyes shut, and balling up his little hands, and whining " I don't like you, I don't like you...."



Can't tell you how crushed I feel.
Keep up the good work.

Actually I don't like you. You're arrogant and self righteous, condescending, bellicose and bloviate ad nauseam. None of which supports your insipid uber-partisanship, for seeing one side of all issues and in responding the way you do makes you an archetype curmudgeon.

 

[Si modo]

You don't live in a bubble? Honestly, I can't believe you went to a lecture with the amount of time you spent cutting and pasting hate Obama messages.

I love it when you guys can do no better than complain about how I present material, but have no counter to the material itself...

Don't you realize that posts like this come across as a three year old, squeezing his eyes shut, and balling up his little hands, and whining " I don't like you, I don't like you...."



Can't tell you how crushed I feel.
Keep up the good work.

Actually I don't like you. You're arrogant and self righteous, condescending, bellicose and bloviate ad nauseam. None of which supports your insipid uber-partisanship, for seeing one side of all issues and in responding the way you do makes you an archetype curmudgeon.

Typical Wry posts.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I love it when you guys can do no better than complain about how I present material, but have no counter to the material itself...

Don't you realize that posts like this come across as a three year old, squeezing his eyes shut, and balling up his little hands, and whining " I don't like you, I don't like you...."



Can't tell you how crushed I feel.
Keep up the good work.

Actually I don't like you. You're arrogant and self righteous, condescending, bellicose and bloviate ad nauseam. None of which supports your insipid uber-partisanship, for seeing one side of all issues and in responding the way you do makes you an archetype curmudgeon.

Typical Wry posts.

Yes; I am always honest. It pays SM, I've never been banned.

(you might consider trying it)

Prior bans, real or imagined, (as in this case) here or especially elsewhere, are not to be brought up on the open boards. - Moderator.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You don't live in a bubble? Honestly, I can't believe you went to a lecture with the amount of time you spent cutting and pasting hate Obama messages.

I love it when you guys can do no better than complain about how I present material, but have no counter to the material itself...

Don't you realize that posts like this come across as a three year old, squeezing his eyes shut, and balling up his little hands, and whining " I don't like you, I don't like you...."



Can't tell you how crushed I feel.
Keep up the good work.

Actually I don't like you. You're arrogant and self righteous, condescending, bellicose and bloviate ad nauseam. None of which supports your insipid uber-partisanship, for seeing one side of all issues and in responding the way you do makes you an archetype curmudgeon.

1. Sigh.....guilty as charged.

2. "Actually I don't like you."
I think I can live with that.

3. "uber-partisanship"
True, again. But you misunderstand this as a pejorative...I see
it as the only way that a message board is fun!
Don't you think the same term could apply to you?

4. "...for seeing one side of all issues..."
See, that is our role. You'd be a happier fellow
if you could do a better job of projecting the benefits of your
side.
Now, is that because you do a bad job, or simply because your side
is flawed and errroneous?
Guess?

5. Curmudgeon...An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.
Wrong again. Although I may be stubborn, I am neither 'full of resentment' nor 'ill-tempered.'
I laugh at lots of my posts, and yours as well,...I never gave a neg rep.....nor use vulgar or abusive language....and try to make my insults funny and unique....
You're articulate, come up with a more apt appellation.

malcontent? bellyacher? whiner? status-quoer? boaster? wind-bag?big-mouth? hector? showboat?.....just lookin' for a little accuracy....

 

[Si modo]

Actually I don't like you. You're arrogant and self righteous, condescending, bellicose and bloviate ad nauseam. None of which supports your insipid uber-partisanship, for seeing one side of all issues and in responding the way you do makes you an archetype curmudgeon.

Typical Wry posts.

Yes; I am always honest. It pays SM, I've never been banned.

(you might consider trying it)

I'm banned? Are you high? Or, just insane.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Typical Wry posts.

Yes; I am always honest. It pays SM, I've never been banned.

(you might consider trying it)

I'm banned? Are you high? Or, just insane.

He's just sulking again, Si modo.

Send him back into the shower to practice break dancing.

 

[Dot Com]

Do You Mind That The President Lied?

Why must we always rehash 8 yrs of Bu$h II's administration? LET IT GO!!! I'm willing to let the guy fade away even though he started two unpaid for wars, gave tax-cuts during those wars and, to put frosting on the cake, signed a trillion $, unfunded, Medicare Rx bill into law. Let the guy go.

 

[Si modo]

Yes; I am always honest. It pays SM, I've never been banned.

(you might consider trying it)

I'm banned? Are you high? Or, just insane.

He's just sulking again, Si modo.

Send him back into the shower to practice break dancing.

I really don't want to imagine what he does in the shower.

 

[Bfgrn]

This is one of the easiest to make fun of.....not that you aren't always easy to make fun of.
(sorry to end the sentence with a preposition)

Is there a tax on the sale of a home in the fraudualent 'healthcare' bill?

Yes.


Absolutely.


What you have identified and have proven beyond a doubt is that politifact is an attempt to bamboozle, and you are, still, a dolt.


Have someone with an education above your third grade equivalency read post #13 to you....and, of course, explain same.

Here, let me give you a head-start: under conditions of a certain level of wealth, there is said tax on the sale of your home.

But, then again, you didn't argue with the OP...you slyly inserted some bogus e-mail (as though you actually have a friend who e-mails to you...BoringFriendlessGuy)...

so, what have you proven?

That you are never too old to learn something stupid.

You are willfully leaving out pertinent details...WHY PC? The e-mail is a deception.

The health care law imposes a 3.8 percent tax on the investment income of couples who make more than $250,000 or individuals who make more than $200,000. That investment income could include income from real estate transactions. But it would only apply to those high earners, who make up less than 5 percent of all taxpayers. We're not sure why the e-mail extrapolates this tax to all real estate transactions, but that's the only 3.8 percent tax we could find in the new law. We ran this by two tax policy experts who confirmed our analysis of the new law.

Under current law, workers pay Medicare hospital taxes on wages. Workers and employers split a 2.9 percent tax; the self-employed pay all of it.

The new tax marks the first time investment income will be subject to Medicare taxes, said Clint Stretch, the managing principal for tax policy at Deloitte Tax LLP. We should point out that the government currently taxes investment income in various ways and could have simply raised current rates.

But lawmakers wanted to link the new revenues to health care, Stretch said. "The point of doing it as a Medicare tax was to have the money go to the Medicare trust fund and have it act like a tax that is paying for health care. So there is additional complexity," he said.

And by the way, if you're an empty-nester of any means, and you're thinking of downsizing, part of your profits are already tax-free. There are long-standing tax exemptions on the profits from home sales. In general, if you sell your own home, individuals are not taxed on the first $250,000 of profit and married couples are not taxed on the first $500,000 of profit. Again, that's profit, not the sales price.

If you're wealthy and sell your home at a substantial profit, it's possible you might get hit with the new 3.8 percent tax on investment income. Most Americans won't have to worry about this, though.

Not that our chain e-mail acknowledges any of those pesky facts. It says that a 3.8 percent tax applies to all real estate transactions as a sales tax. That is not the case. The e-mail seems intended to scare people, particularly older Americans, and it urges them to vote a particular way based on false information. And for that, we award this chain e-mail a Pants on Fire!

I know I play into your neuroses when I respond to you, but this one is just too precious to ignore...

1. I didn't write the e-mail, did not send the e-mail, have nothing to do with the e-mail.

2. Our friend Sparky added the idea, in his post, and I explained it in Post #13.

3. You used your crayons to scream about 'lies.'

4. But now, you are chagrined, chastised and contrite!
I take full credit for that!

See how different your tone is after the spanking:"If you're wealthy and sell your home at a substantial profit, it's possible ...blah, blah, blah."
Good work, Inspector Clouseau!

5. I note that you neglected to include the word 'sorry'...

Another chance?

PC, maybe the day will come when one of your posts doesn't contain some form of deception...

nah...

 

[Dot Com]

I had the good fortune to see the lecture by the authors of “Why Obamacare is Wrong for America,” Turner, Capreta, Miller and Moffit.



b. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." “Taxpayers earning less than $200,000 a year will pay roughly $3.9 billion more in taxes — in 2019 alone — due to healthcare reform, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress's official scorekeeper.” JCT: Healthcare law to sock middle class with a $3.9 billion tax increase in 2019 - The Hill's On The Money Thus, eight out of ten affected would be making under $200 K. Further, the 40% excise tax on “Cadillac” plans is largely a middle class tax.



While I try to avoid such strong language as 'lied,' one is hard pressed to find an explanation for the above other than purposeful lying, or being totally clueless.....

You choose.

ok, this is what i have so far>



Under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax. The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation who often downsize their homes. Does this stuff make your November and 2012 vote more important?
Oh, you weren't aware this was in the obamacare bill? Guess what, you aren't alone. There are more than a few members of Congress that aren't aware of it either

ObamaCare Flatlines: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans - Blog - GOP.govi'm having a bit of a time applying the obameter>

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are about PolitiFact's Top Promises

but i'm fairly certain it will appear eventually as 1/2 the truth a lie, the devil being in the details. For instance being over the 250K income limit means being unaffected (by the Hill article) , so it depends who BarryO is addressing

being under that limit, i'm not overly enthused about sharing my retirement nest egg with the gov's health care nazi's, nor am i about them apperaing at the door of my biz

but what we can plainly see here, is this is another weapons of mass destruction scenario, where all the information is shill, Congress votes on it (yes it was a bipart HC bill) , and the potus is hung out to dry on the details

so would you care to explain the dif PC?

or do we simply place Obama and Bush in the same penalty box?

WOW...talk about LIES. Your link to GOP.gov is a blatant LIE...

Health care law institutes a sales tax on home sales? No, it doesn't

Pants on Fire!

A new chain e-mail wrongly claims that the 2010 health care law will institute a new tax on home sales.

Here's the e-mail a reader recently forwarded to us:

"Under the new health care bill -- did you know that all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama's re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation who often downsize their homes. Is this Hope & Change great or what? Does this stuff makes (sic) your November and 2012 votes more important?

PolitiFact | Health care law institutes a sales tax on home sales? No, it doesn't

I hate it when people cut 'n paste partisan & misleading chain emails and act as if they wrote them.