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Adam's Apple

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Are you particularly impressed with any of the current Congressmen/Senators serving in Washington who are not from your own home state? My current favorites are Chris Cox of California, Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Among the women I like Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas.
 
I'm interested to see how the media will present Obama in the following years... I really think that man has a chance at rescuing the Dems from the abyss, but will hold my final opinion until I hear more from the Senator himself.

I also wish that Jim McDermott from my home state would have to answer to his opinion on Saddam's Iraq during his pre-war visit to that regime, but doubt that Washington State has the nutsack to make him answer for his para-traitorous actions.
 
Obama was about the only Democrat who asked Dr. Rice questions that made any sense.... as well as being damn good, well thought-out questions.
he's done pretty well, he's making veterans affairs one of his three priorities, which i love.

i like lindsey graham, he's a good man who's not afraid to stand up for what he thinks is right, even if his party and his president disagree.

i love sam brownback, he's doing a hell of a job for the people of kansas and also for those around the world and in the US. the finest christian conservative in washington.

i like ken salazar from colorado, he seems to know what the right thing to do is the great majority of the time, and he's a maverick within the democratic party, which means he won't be toeing the extreme left line they seem to be crawling towards.
 
I've always been a little partial to Tim Hutchison, from Arkansas. Rumor has it he's coming back home to run for governor, and I'm sure he'll beat Huckabee (we're getting a little tired of him...good man, bad governor, opposite of Clinton)
 
I respect Nato like no other. At the same time, I hope I'm wrong but Obama is at climax, if not peak. Ill. demands something before election, he has shot his ....
 
Obama's a practicing Christian, so I doubt he will get anywhere in the current Democrat Party. He will get shunted aside just like all the other Democrats who are not left-leaning liberals. That's really too bad. I feel Illinois sent a good man with experience in politics to Washington to represent them, and the Democrat Party could benefit from listening to what Obama has to say. Just personal opinion.
 
Adam's Apple said:
Obama's a practicing Christian, so I doubt he will get anywhere in the current Democrat Party. He will get shunted aside just like all the other Democrats who are not left-leaning liberals. That's really too bad. I feel Illinois sent a good man with experience in politics to Washington to represent them, and the Democrat Party could benefit from listening to what Obama has to say. Just personal opinion.


Where did you get that he is a practicing Christian? I'm in Illinois and last I heard he was an Islam, quiet though.
 
He is on the list of 50 Most Influential Christians in America. You will find this list in one of my recent posts.
 
Adam's Apple said:
He is on the list of 50 Most Influential Christians in America. You will find this list in one of my recent posts.
and you bought this why????
 
What do you mean "bought"? Not everything I post I personally believe. It is information that I found interesting and passed on for whatever value it has to those who choose to read it. I did not know that Obama was a person of faith until I saw his name among those on the list.
 
Adam's Apple said:
What do you mean "bought"? Not everything I post I personally believe. It is information that I found interesting and passed on for whatever value it has to those who choose to read it. I did not know that Obama was a person of faith until I saw his name among those on the list.

It's probably me. No dis meant. I check out things I post. I take it you were relying on faith?
 
From this website:
http://obama.senate.gov/about/

Obama is especially proud of being a husband and father of two daughters, Malia, 6 and Sasha, 3. Obama and his wife, Michelle, married in 1992 and live on Chicago ’s South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ.

Doesn't sound like any mosque I've ever heard of. ;)
 
No, this particular article I did not "buy" as "gospel" truth. The selection of some of those on the list, I agreed with; some I did not. I did not post the article to convince anyone of its "rightness", but because I found it interesting and thought perhaps the other Christians on the board would as well.

At any rate, I still think Obama is a qualified and capable man to serve the citizens of Illinois in Washington. I will not dis him just because he is a Democrat, but I can understand that you would prefer someone of your own party affiliation representing your views in Washington. If I was in your place, I would feel that way too. We have a liberal Democrat Senator in Washington that I am not too pleased with at the moment.

I will talk to you more about this later. We're going out to dinner and a movie (Million Dollar Baby).
 
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14495

If the Democratic National Convention failed to produce a bounce for John Kerry, the same cannot be said of Illinois State Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic Party’s candidate for United States Senator from Illinois. While this rising star in the Democratic Party spouted some conservative themes during his speech, the rhetoric may be deceptive. While Obama spoke of individual responsibility – such as stating that the government cannot teach kids to read, parents must – his ideology and voting record is quite different.

Obama is very liberal. Among his campaign contributors are George Soros, People for the American Way, pro-abortion groups and teacher’s unions. Soros got his money's worth from Obama, who turned out redmeat antiwar quotations during the run-up to Operation Iraqi Freedom. At an October 2002 antiwar rally, he repeated the false "economy and war" canard of fanatical antiwar liberals. Obama said:

"I don't oppose all wars…What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Roves to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income...to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression."

When confronted with this quotation by Tim Russert on "Meet the Press," Obama shrugged it off, not choosing to repeat its conspiracy theories. Russert uncharacteristically did not press the issue. But the quotation would seem to indicate Obama's inclination to parrot the Michael Moore Left.

In fact, Obama has bristled at being referred to as a mainsteam Democrat. When he was accused by Black Commentator magazine as being co-opted by the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). Black Commentator believes the more moderate rhetoric of the DLC and Bill Clinton's willingness to compromise with Republicans for political gain have harmed the party. It believes the DLC's candidates are corrupted by corporations, and refers to conservative black politicians as "black stealth candidates," which is how they characterized Obama.

Obama was so disturbed by this, he wrote a letter to Black Commentator stating:

"To begin with, neither my staff nor I have had any direct contact with anybody at DLC…I don't know who nominated me for the DLC list of 100 rising stars…I certainly did not view such inclusion as an endorsement on my part of the DLC platform…I spend much of my time with audiences trying to educate them on the dangers of both the Patriot Act, Patriot Act 2, and the rest of John Ashcroft's assault on the Constitution…In the last three months alone, I passed and sent to Illinois governor's desk 25 pieces of major progressive legislation, including groundbreaking laws mandating the videotaping of all interrogations and confessions in capital cases; racial profiling legislation; a new law designed to ease the burden on ex-offenders seeking employment; and a state earned income tax credit that will put millions of dollars directly into the pockets of Illinois' working poor."

His voting record certainly displays the ideology characteristic of an indulgent liberal. (Sorry, "Progressive.") Obama favors abortion, socialized medicine, and Affirmative Action. Obama sponsored a bill in the Illinois legislature requiring local police departments in Illinois to record the race of anyone stopped for questioning so that the data can be used to track the occurrence of racial profiling. He opposes a $2,000 tax credit for retirement and has voted against private gun ownership, mandatory sentencing and the death penalty. During his tenure as a legislator, he abstained from voting about an abortion parental notification bill and on legislation that would keep pornographic video stores and strip clubs from within 1,000 feet of schools and churches. He has also voted against laws requiring students to complete suspensions before being transferred to other school districts. He abstained from legislation requiring adult prosecution for students who fire guns on school grounds. He opposed legislation making it a criminal offense for accused gang members to associate with known gang members.

Ironically, Obama is the candidate of the racial segregationist. It is not because segregationists want him to be a Senator. It is because he is classified African-American using the standards of racial segregationists.

Obama is called an African–American. However, Obama is half-white. His father, who was black, abandoned him and his mother when he was about two years old. He lived with his white mother and white grandparents.

Considering a mixed race individual an African-American is a typical liberal practice. They routinely refer to anyone who is partially black as black. Tiger Woods, Halle Berry and Mariah Carey are all mixed race celebrities regularly referred to by the liberal media as black. Tiger Woods has had the gall to complain about this. (With good reason; his mother is Asian.)

Ironically, this custom by liberals and Democrats of referring to partially black people as black is simply a reiteration of the old racist, Jim Crow, "one-eighth law." In racist locales, such as segregation-era Louisiana, people with as little as one-eighth African-American ancestry were classified as black. This classification led to dramatic curtailments of freedom. In Missouri and Mississippi, "The marriage of a white person with a negro or mulatto or person who shall have one-eighth or more of negro blood, shall be unlawful and void." Obama is black only by the standards of white segregationists.

By insisting that mixed-race individuals be considered black, Democrats -- the party of the unreconstructed South -- are displaying their segregationist roots.

Obama the candidate is conservative only when addressing a national television audience. Ironically, the oddball Black Commentator magazine is partially correct. Obama is a stealth candidate -- a liberal stealth candidate.
 
I take it all back. I was unaware that Obama held such ultra-left views on the hot-button topics. I had not come across this information about him before. I watched him debate Alan Keyes on WGN once and got the impression he was liberal but not over the edge. Like you, I would not want him representing my views in Washington. Thanks for the more detailed information.
 
Perhaps the excesses of the past will lead to moderation in the future.

They are all politicians, and all must cater to their electoral base. Is it true that Obama's state senate district was one of the most rabidly liberal in Illinois?

The true test for Obama may be whether he can escape the rhetoric of his past and move on to the future. I had read many articles, including some in conservative sources like WSJ and Fox News about his bi-partisan successes in the State Senate, and that led me to believe he was a wise and pragmatic politician, able to barter and trade with men from other idealogies to further a goal worth the people's time and money.

So far in the Senate, despite his liberal rhetoric of the past, he's been a marker for moderation in the "new" democratic party. He did vote for Rice, did not vote for Gonzales (I would not have voted for Gonzales either) and so far, he has asked thoughtful, reasonable questions (not firebrand liberal wacko stuff like boxer, byrd or kennedy).

Is he a liberal? Perhaps, probably so.

But what are his priorities? Abortion, bush-bashing and military morale hurting speeches are not anywhere on the list.

Instead, he's focusing on getting the people of Illinois the red meat every senator must (pork projects), trying to help the beleguared VA take care of all these new veterans and raise the level of debate in the Senate chamber beyond "bush is a liar!"

For focusing on veterans affairs alone, he's got my vote for best democrat of the new year.

And Salazar is shaping up to be a hell of a senator in Colorado isn't he?
 

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