Do you hate the Democrats for the way they are responding to the $14 trillion debt?

[Toronado3800]

This is not 1995. The Social Security, Medicare Ponzi Scheme has flipped. When the majority of the population (thanks to the boomer's) were working thinking they were paying massive excess into the system, the government was spending the entire nest egg & still managed to go even further into debt. Basically the boomer's paid nothing into the Social Security, Medicare & FICA system. They were actually just paying way higher taxes than they thought they were. Now that they are expecting to get paid back for all that money they think they paid into their entitlement account, the government must slash their expected entitlements & raise taxes while still increasing the debt.

Until recently: Taxes+SocialSecurity+Medicare+FICA+Deficits = General revenue spending.

Now: Taxes+Deficits = SocialSecurity+Medicare+FICA+General revenue spending.

You were always told socialism was a ponzi scheme, but you could not believe them because it all felt so good until now, that we ran out of other peoples money. The new healthcare tax is just another revenue stream to kick the socialist ponzi scheme 4 more years down the road. After paying into the healthcare scheme for 4 years & getting nothing in return, you will find out when the government cant pay the doctor bills when people start to demand actual healthcare. This government healthcare system is nothing but an empty shell ponzi scheme.

Not totally incorrect on social security. It is one that works fine if you use the initial retirement age as a percentage of life expectancy ans the income cut off as a number relative to the average income of the day.

Too bad the last generation of lazy americans wanted to be more exempt than their parents while retiring earlier.

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Far as health care as a ponzi sceme, weird. I always thought of the Truman/Eisenhower system as socialist where everyone is treated even if they dont pay. Thought the new system was an admission our hospitals dont turn those unable to pay away and an admission we absolutely have to pay our whole working lives to earn that right to treatment when broke.

 

[JFK_USA]

You should, they seemingly don't care that the country is, effectively, bankrupt, and so the liberals must now print money to pay for most of their idiotic liberal welfare programs. There is no free lunch but the liberals don't know it. They do know, however, that if they can't buy votes by always promising more and more programs they will have lost their reason for being.

As usually it is the Republicans who are acting as mature adults trying to cut spending to stave off real bankruptcy.
Why don't we make liberals illegal as our Founders intended when they wrote the Constitution to stand for very limited government .

You are so full of crap. The only time conservatives give a shit about the deficit is when there's a Democrat in office.

Have you ever notice any cuts in spending they propose, they give almost that exact amount in tax cuts. Meaning no extra money to pay off the debt. How can you pay off your debt when you cut spending and cut revenue at the same rate?

 

[Mr Liberty]

Yes I hate the democrats and I hate the republicans. The problem with our government is that it is full of politicians and there are very few statesmen. Politicians are how we got in this financial mess. Weather you are on the left or right, they give you the rhetoric you desire to get re-elected and that usually requires lying about their voting record.

The republicans including Reagan Bush SR. and G. W. Bush only talked about a balance budget and conservative fiscal responsibility: however, they actions were reckless spending at the same levels as the democrats.

The democrats at least never pretended to be responsible and they have led the charge driving the people of this country into debt slavery. Among them, I cannot point out a single statesman, only examples of the worse kind of politicians. Pelosi, who in my opinion, deserved to be thrown out of office for obviously lying over her knowledge of water-boarding.

What we need are statesmen, people, who believe in the oath of office, who acts in the best interest of the nation. Even if the personal cost is to lose the next election. We need people of sound character, like Hamilton instead of Burr. I have had a lifetime of a government full of Aaron Burrs and empty of Alexander Hamiltons.

 

[Political Junky]

Brutus, we do agree, the debt sucks. My kid will be paying off our credit card like spending.

About the banning of political thoughts, our founding fathers did not want to make any ideology illegal. It is a free speech thing.

First say the fiscal policies of Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Bush lead to ridiculously high deficits and that you love Bill Clinton for being the only President I remember with a balanced budget under him. THEN we are allowed to talk economic theory.

It is a misrepresentation to say clinton had a balanced budget. GWB took office they were calling it the clinton recession. The reason clinton's budget was even close to balanced was a republican congress. For a thug though he did know how to work with the repubs. I hated clinton because he was a lying sack of shit and a womanizer who violated the sanctity of the oval office, remember Monica?

You must really hate David Vitter who frequented numerous prostitutes and wore diapers. i'd rather not know those details.

 

[Political Junky]

Reagan and Bush ballooned the deficit, Clinton balanced the budget. That's all there is to it. You can try any twisted logic you want, but that's the reality


Brutus: don't be absurd. Clinton inherited a boom from Bush '41 and the first Republican House in 40 years. Bush '43 inherited a bust from Clinton. OBama inherited a bust from BUsh '43, Reagan inherited a bust from Carter. The president does not control the government, nor does he control business cycles!! Eecon 101

You do know Clinton didn't propose 1 single budget, right? Thats the job of the House. And during Clinton's terms, the Republicans controlled the House and Senate. The only thing Bill did was sign the budget with the hand that wasn't holding Monica's pony tail.

President Clinton proposed a slight tax increase on the wealthiest Americans. Not one republicon voted for it, but it passed and left us with a surplus.

 

[auditor0007]

You should, they seemingly don't care that the country is, effectively, bankrupt, and so the liberals must now print money to pay for most of their idiotic liberal welfare programs. There is no free lunch but the liberals don't know it. They do know, however, that if they can't buy votes by always promising more and more programs they will have lost their reason for being.

As usually it is the Republicans who are acting as mature adults trying to cut spending to stave off real bankruptcy.
Why don't we make liberals illegal as our Founders intended when they wrote the Constitution to stand for very limited government .

You are so full of crap. The only time conservatives give a shit about the deficit is when there's a Democrat in office.

check your history!! Republicans since Jefferson have been for a Balanced Budget Amendment. Republicans want the shut down not libs. Republicans want to cut not libs.


The Republican Jeffersonian philosophy is all about freedom and liberty from big government so they'd be fine with cuts. Democrats depend 100% on buying votes with promises of more and more welfare programs to replace the failing ones..


"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

The thing I really hate about political boards is that everyone is so full of shit. Come on Brutus, GW had a Republican Congress for six years. Please tell me which of those years we ran a balanced budget or even tried?

This nonsense of Republicans blaming Democrats and vice versa has gotten so far out of hand that it has become part of the problem, and it started in Washington with those we elect. Now, anyone that thinks they know anything about politics has taken a side either way off in right field or way off in left field, and the blame game just goes on and on and on, while nothing gets done.

Honestly, I wish Americans would wake up and vote every single one of them out of office so we could start over. Yes, we spend too much. And yes, there are many programs worth funding. We need to find a fiscally responsible balance, between cuts in spending, maybe some increases in taxes, while not decimating many good programs.

 

[auditor0007]

You should, they seemingly don't care that the country is, effectively, bankrupt, and so the liberals must now print money to pay for most of their idiotic liberal welfare programs. There is no free lunch but the liberals don't know it. They do know, however, that if they can't buy votes by always promising more and more programs they will have lost their reason for being.

As usually it is the Republicans who are acting as mature adults trying to cut spending to stave off real bankruptcy.
Why don't we make liberals illegal as our Founders intended when they wrote the Constitution to stand for very limited government .

You are so full of crap. The only time conservatives give a shit about the deficit is when there's a Democrat in office.

Have you ever notice any cuts in spending they propose, they give almost that exact amount in tax cuts. Meaning no extra money to pay off the debt. How can you pay off your debt when you cut spending and cut revenue at the same rate?

One thing everyone needs to keep in mind. We will never pay off the debt, nor should we try. However, we must curtail spending and make certain enough revenue is brought in so that we do not continue adding to the deficit. So long as we can get the economy growing again, by running a balanced budget or one with a small deficit, eventually the debt can be greatly reduced as a percentage of GDP. So I really don't care about trying to pay off the debt, but I do care that we find a way to run the government on something at least close to a balanced budget. That means we need both cuts in spending and tax increases, and we cannot have one without the other, because it is going to take both to accomplish this.

 

[rdean]

check your history!! Republicans since Jefferson have been for a Balanced Budget Amendment. Republicans want the shut down not libs. Republicans want to cut not libs.


The Republican Jeffersonian philosophy is all about freedom and liberty from big government so they'd be fine with cuts. Democrats depend 100% on buying votes with promises of more and more welfare programs to replace the failing ones..

And yet, it was the Republicans who passed 2.4 trillion in tax cuts through reconciliation without a single offset.

Republicans who passed a "drugs for votes bill" again through reconciliation costing trillions.

Republicans who didn't pay for two wars and hid the costs.

Republicans working with China and the Chamber of Commerce moving millions of jobs to China.

Republicans giving billions in subsidies to oil companies who are charging us over a hundred bucks a barrel.

Yea, Republicans are so fiscally responsible.

But yet WARS that the DEMOCRATS continued FUNDING in their POWERQUEST...huh, Deany?

And WHAT NO Racial component to your rhetoric, Deany-BOY?

Yer slipping. Step it up BOY.

boy?

 

[skookerasbil]

Because some need illustrations of the reality.................

As usual..........keeping the debate real............



EDIT>> Dean might need more samples <<EDIT

 

[Annie]

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[skookerasbil]

YouTube - School House Rocks - Tyrannosaurus Debt

Annie FTW!!!!!

 

[Brutus]

Reagan and Bush ballooned the deficit, Clinton balanced the budget. That's all there is to it. You can try any twisted logic you want, but that's the reality


Brutus: don't be absurd. Clinton inherited a boom from Bush '41 and the first Republican House in 40 years. Bush '43 inherited a bust from Clinton. OBama inherited a bust from BUsh '43, Reagan inherited a bust from Carter. The president does not control the government, nor does he control business cycles!! Eecon 101

You do know Clinton didn't propose 1 single budget, right? Thats the job of the House. And during Clinton's terms, the Republicans controlled the House and Senate. The only thing Bill did was sign the budget with the hand that wasn't holding Monica's pony tail.

a liberal will always have a very low IQ:

Heritage Foundation:
The Clinton plan also contains a startling number of accounting tricks and phony assumptions to generate savings. The budget magically assumes $1 billion of savings through better management of Veterans Administration hospitals. "Other administrative savings" supposedly will generate $7.7 billion of deficit reduction, while "Streamlining Government" allegedly will reduce spending by $7.9 billion. The Administration proposes to save $11.5 billion by exchanging longer-term government debt for shorter-term debt. If, however, interest rates happen to rise -- and they are now at twenty-year lows -- this proposal will increase spending. Improved IRS tax compliance efforts (needed to guarantee more of what the President euphemistically calls "contributions") are somehow assumed to raise almost $1 billion.

 

[Brutus]

Reagan and Bush ballooned the deficit, Clinton balanced the budget. That's all there is to it. You can try any twisted logic you want, but that's the reality


Brutus: don't be absurd. Clinton inherited a boom from Bush '41 and the first Republican House in 40 years. Bush '43 inherited a bust from Clinton. OBama inherited a bust from BUsh '43, Reagan inherited a bust from Carter. The president does not control the government, nor does he control business cycles!! Eecon 101

Clinton inherited a boom from GH Bush? I thought Bush1 lost the election because the economy was flat. Are you saying Bush lost because he pulled out of Iraq too soon and would leave the mess for another decade?

A liberal will always have a very low IQ!! Flat?? No!!! a huge boom had just started during the last quarter under Bush '41. Had the liberal press reported it we would have been spared the Clintons. Bush lost because the liberal press did not report the boom and also thanks to Perot!!

 

[Brutus]

The thing I really hate about political boards is that everyone is so full of shit. Come on Brutus, GW had a Republican Congress for six years. Please tell me which of those years we ran a balanced budget or even tried?

Ah but you miss the point!!! Bush was not pure; he was not a Jeffersonian or libertarian or Tea Party Republican, nor did the independents want one. Nevertheless, over history 100% of the energy for a Balanced Budget Amendment has come from Republicans starting with Jefferson. Newt got 34 states to sign his!! Republicans presented one in the Senate last month; only 10 Democrats supported it while Democrats have killed everyone since Jefferson. Democrats are like a cancer on our country.

Is that really over your head??