Do you believe that mental illness is a

[Tinktink]

cec do you have any experience in mental health? I ask because you seem to be well-read in that area.

I work as an advocate for involuntary commited patients that are forced medication without informed consent

Can I ask what state it is you work in? Because I think it is a federal law that no person shall be committed involuntary unless they are a danger to themselves or others. And that commitment can only last 72 hours. And if someone is a danger to themselves or others, they usually aren't being so because of a health brain.



the sins of the father....learned behaviour

Huh? What sins?





the medications are often very ineffective...sugar pills are effective at a surprisingly high rate ..diet can have remarkable effects...as can cognitive therapy

I have said it before, I will say it again, I have worked with schizophrenics, hell I will go as far as revealing something private, a parent of mine was schizophrenic. And let me tell the first time he was diagnosed as a Schizophenic it was because his kids were not allowed to eat due to his spooks not letting him feed his kids. Glory day when the cops arrived and he was taken to the hospital for involuntary admission. Hell that was the day I had my first hamburg. Medication didn't cause that. Nope. I am witness. But I can tell you glory day when he came home medicated and we didn't have to suffer his illness. Medication worked (even back then where there was so little), well until he stopped taking it. Then the spooks came back.

SSRIs wouldn't work if scientists hadn't found out what serotonin does (even as late as the 1970s and early 80s, they knew it existed, but had no clue what it did) and how it could be manipulated to treat depression

and still dont...it can cause mental illness far worse than deppresion.. this is a fact ..not in dispute

I agree there is still no definate cure for Mental illness, but there is also no cure for type 1 (I think it is 1) diabetes. But there are medication that can control its deadly sypmtoms.

 

[dilloduck]

I work as an advocate for involuntary commited patients that are forced medication without informed consent

Can I ask what state it is you work in? Because I think it is a federal law that no person shall be committed involuntary unless they are a danger to themselves or others. And that commitment can only last 72 hours. And if someone is a danger to themselves or others, they usually aren't being so because of a health brain.



the sins of the father....learned behaviour

Huh? What sins?





the medications are often very ineffective...sugar pills are effective at a surprisingly high rate ..diet can have remarkable effects...as can cognitive therapy

I have said it before, I will say it again, I have worked with schizophrenics, hell I will go as far as revealing something private, a parent of mine was schizophrenic. And let me tell the first time he was diagnosed as a Schizophenic it was because his kids were not allowed to eat due to his spooks not letting him feed his kids. Glory day when the cops arrived and he was taken to the hospital for involuntary admission. Hell that was the day I had my first hamburg. Medication didn't cause that. Nope. I am witness. But I can tell you glory day when he came home medicated and we didn't have to suffer his illness. Medication worked (even back then where there was so little), well until he stopped taking it. Then the spooks came back.




and still dont...it can cause mental illness far worse than deppresion.. this is a fact ..not in dispute

I agree there is still no definate cure for Mental illness, but there is also no cure for type 1 (I think it is 1) diabetes. But there are medication that can control its deadly sypmtoms.

You're arguing with a guy who also thinks that a plane didn't crash in PA on 9/11.

 

[Tinktink]

I agree there is still no definate cure for Mental illness, but there is also no cure for type 1 (I think it is 1) diabetes. But there are medication that can control its deadly sypmtoms.

You're arguing with a guy who also thinks that a plane didn't crash in PA on 9/11.

Well that explains it. .

That being said, you would be surprised how many folks dismiss mental illness, personally I am surprised he is the only one here to do so. Another forum I frequent, there are much more then one.

 

[dilloduck]

You're arguing with a guy who also thinks that a plane didn't crash in PA on 9/11.

Well that explains it. .

That being said, you would be surprised how many folks dismiss mental illness, personally I am surprised he is the only one here to do so. Another forum I frequent, there are much more then one.

It's Friday---we got more.

 

[Tinktink]

Well that explains it. .

That being said, you would be surprised how many folks dismiss mental illness, personally I am surprised he is the only one here to do so. Another forum I frequent, there are much more then one.

It's Friday---we got more.

haha

 

[Barb]

I work as an advocate for involuntary commited patients that are forced medication without informed consent

Can I ask what state it is you work in? Because I think it is a federal law that no person shall be committed involuntary unless they are a danger to themselves or others. And that commitment can only last 72 hours. And if someone is a danger to themselves or others, they usually aren't being so because of a health brain.



the sins of the father....learned behaviour

Huh? What sins?





the medications are often very ineffective...sugar pills are effective at a surprisingly high rate ..diet can have remarkable effects...as can cognitive therapy

I have said it before, I will say it again, I have worked with schizophrenics, hell I will go as far as revealing something private, a parent of mine was schizophrenic. And let me tell the first time he was diagnosed as a Schizophenic it was because his kids were not allowed to eat due to his spooks not letting him feed his kids. Glory day when the cops arrived and he was taken to the hospital for involuntary admission. Hell that was the day I had my first hamburg. Medication didn't cause that. Nope. I am witness. But I can tell you glory day when he came home medicated and we didn't have to suffer his illness. Medication worked (even back then where there was so little), well until he stopped taking it. Then the spooks came back.




and still dont...it can cause mental illness far worse than deppresion.. this is a fact ..not in dispute

I agree there is still no definate cure for Mental illness, but there is also no cure for type 1 (I think it is 1) diabetes. But there are medication that can control its deadly sypmtoms.

It's hard to be a kid in that position. I'm sorry you had to deal with all that.
You mentioned diabetes. Chemical imbalances because of diabetes produce some pretty mystifying mood swings for those who aren't aware of what goes on. My father was completely non compliant with his diet, and I blamed him completely for the results. It was a complicated relationship. He was a Marine, he taught me how to argue, and I was the only one in the family who would argue with him instead of nod and smile just to shut him up. Honestly, he had flashes of brilliance, and as angry as I was with him much of the time, I owe him my survival for teaching me how, rather than what to think.
The chemical imbalances that produce the mood swings that come with diabetes are counter-intuitive from the viewpoint of a child, and self destructive for the one with the disease. What I blamed him for was a cycle that chased its tail, caught, and ate it. In the end, it ate him with it. When he killed himself I was livid.

I hope you've found the answers to the reasons for your fathers spooks, and the peace not to take the results personally.

 

[Tinktink]

I agree there is still no definate cure for Mental illness, but there is also no cure for type 1 (I think it is 1) diabetes. But there are medication that can control its deadly sypmtoms.

It's hard to be a kid in that position. I'm sorry you had to deal with all that.
You mentioned diabetes. Chemical imbalances because of diabetes produce some pretty mystifying mood swings for those who aren't aware of what goes on. My father was completely non compliant with his diet, and I blamed him completely for the results. It was a complicated relationship. He was a Marine, he taught me how to argue, and I was the only one in the family who would argue with him instead of nod and smile just to shut him up. Honestly, he had flashes of brilliance, and as angry as I was with him much of the time, I owe him my survival for teaching me how, rather than what to think.
The chemical imbalances that produce the mood swings that come with diabetes are counter-intuitive from the viewpoint of a child, and self destructive for the one with the disease. What I blamed him for was a cycle that chased its tail, caught, and ate it. In the end, it ate him with it. When he killed himself I was livid.

I hope you've found the answers to the reasons for your fathers spooks, and the peace not to take the results personally.

Wow Barb, that must have been just as hard on you, your father's suicide.

I think that is what gets my goat about all this mental health stuff, is folks that think pain is a choice. Folks that don't understand that to people who suffer from the disease, there are no choices, other then fighting it. Look at the folks here, all different in their thought patterns. All ready to defend it. Unfortunately, for many that suffer Mental illiness, they can't defend something that many don't believe. Imagine their struggle. 4 people (I think it was four) have stated from first hand expereince their belief in the illness that effects them. And the medicine that helps them fight the disease. And still, first hand witness isn't enough.

How sad is that?

 

[DamnYankee]

I agree there is still no definate cure for Mental illness, but there is also no cure for type 1 (I think it is 1) diabetes. But there are medication that can control its deadly sypmtoms.

You're arguing with a guy who also thinks that a plane didn't crash in PA on 9/11.

Yeah, but it's the other people who are nuts....

 

[eots]

You're arguing with a guy who also thinks that a plane didn't crash in PA on 9/11.

Yeah, but it's the other people who are nuts....

straw man .... these fine gentlemen are very sound mentally......and ask the same questions as I

Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report 9/13/04, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and law enforcement veterans: National Security Whistleblowers Coalition


"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. …

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …

The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations. ...

The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. ...

We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part." National Security Whistleblowers Coalition


Edward J. Costello, Jr. – Former Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. Former Judge pro tem., Los Angeles, CA.


John M. Cole – Former Intelligence Operations Specialist, in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division. In charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. 18-year FBI career.


Mark Conrad, JD – Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations. Former Federal Sky Marshall. 27-year U.S. Customs career. Currently Associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents. Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University.


Rosemary N. Dew – Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence, FBI. Former member of The President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) and the Electronic Commerce/Cyber Crime Working Group. 13-year FBI career.


Bogdan Dzakovic – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. (See also individual statement above.)


Sibel D. Edmonds – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI. (See also individual statement above.)


Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy and the FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy SEAL. (See also individual statement above.)


David Forbes – Former head of Thames Valley Police Fraud Squad, trained at New Scotland Yard. Over 30 years experience in law enforcement, commercial and industrial security-related risk management, and service sector business management. Currently Aviation, Logistics and Govt. Security Analyst, BoydForbes, Inc.


Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 - 1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations. (See also individual statement above.)


Mark Graf – Former Security Supervisor, Planner, and Derivative Classifier, Department of Energy. Former Chairman of the Rocky Flats (DOE) Physical Security Systems Working Group from 1990 through 1995.


Gilbert M. Graham – Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI. 24-year FBI career.


Diane Kleiman – Former Special Agent, US Customs.


Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran. (See also individual statement above.)


Lynne A. Larkin – Former CIA Operations Officer. Served in several CIA foreign stations and in the CIA's counter-intelligence center helping chair a multi-agency task force and seminars on coordinating intelligence among intelligence and crime prevention agencies.


David MacMichael, PhD – Former Senior Estimates Officer with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Former Captain, U.S. Marine Corps.


Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. (See also individual statement above.)


Theodore J. Pahle – Former Senior Intelligence Officer with the Defense Intelligence Agency. His 37-year intelligence career was exclusively as a HUMINT (Human Intelligence) operations officer with DIA, Office of Naval Intelligence and U.S. Army Intelligence. He is a Middle East and Latin American operations specialist. Today, he continues to support the HUMINT effort as a contract instructor.


Behrooz Sarshar – Retired Language Translation Specialist, performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan, FBI.


Brian F. Sullivan – Retired Special Agent and Risk Management Specialist, FAA. Retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police.


Commander Larry J. Tortorich, U.S. Navy (ret) – Former Deputy Program Manager for Logistics – Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. 24-year Navy career in the fields of aviation and counterterrorism. Two years as a federal employee with DHS/TSA in the fields of security and counterterrorism.


Jane A. Turner – Retired Special Agent, FBI. 24-year FBI career.


John B. Vincent – Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. 27-year FBI career.


Fred Whitehurst, JD, PhD – Retired Supervisory Special Agent / Laboratory Forensic Examiner, FBI. 16-year FBI career. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.


Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat. Served 13 years on active duty with the U.S. Army and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. She was a member of the International law team in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada and served in Panama and Somalia. She joined the Foreign Service in 1987 and served as Deputy Chief of Mission of U.S. Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia and Afghanistan. She helped reopen the US Embassy in Kabul in December, 2001. One of three U.S. State Department officials to publicly resign in direct protest of the invasion of Iraq in March, 2003. (See also individual statement above.)


Matthew J. Zipoli – Special Response Team (SRT) Officer, DOE. Vice President, Security Police Officer's Association, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

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Initial Evaluation: County Designated Mental Health Professionals (DCMHP’s) are called upon to evaluate individuals with an alleged mental illness. The referral can be initiated by anyone who has first hand knowledge of the person and the presenting Problem. The CDMHP will evaluate an individual to determine if legal criteria for commitment as a result of a mental disorder are met.

Legal Definition of "Mental Disorder": Any organic, mental, or emotional impairment that has substantial adverse effects upon an individual’s cognitive (thought) or volitional (action) behavior.


NON-EMERGENT INVOLUNTARY MEDICATION STATE BY STATE REPORT

INVOLUNTARY MEDICATION BY PROCESS

 

[eots]

I am not saying some people don't feel profoundly depressed or enter into states of psychosis ..I am saying that so called medications are not the solution and in many ways do as much harm as good ..psychiatry is in the stone age and advances and funding are held back due to the billions of dollars involved in drugging people..these practices will seem as barbaric as lobotomy's in the not to distant future...a single dose of neuroleptics can cause life long movement disorders especially in woman and should be the last resort..not the first option

 

[eots]

Tardive dyskinesias (TDs) are involuntary movements of the tongue, lips, face, trunk, and extremities that occur in patients treated with long-term dopaminergic antagonist medications. Although they are associated with the use of neuroleptics, TDs apparently existed before the development of neuroleptics. People with schizophrenia appear especially vulnerable to developing TDs after exposure to conventional neuroleptics, anticholinergics, toxins, substances of abuse, and other agents. TDs are most common in patients with schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, or bipolar disorder who have been treated with antipsychotic medication for long periods, but TDs occasionally occur in other patients as well. For example, people with fetal alcohol syndrome, other developmental disabilities, and other brain disorders are vulnerable to the development of tardive dyskinesias, even after receiving a single dose of the causative agent

Tardive Dyskinesia: eMedicine Neurology

 

[DamnYankee]

I am not saying some people don't feel profoundly depressed or enter into states of psychosis ..I am saying that so called medications are not the solution and in many ways do as much harm as good ..psychiatry is in the stone age and advances and funding are held back due to the billions of dollars involved in drugging people..these practices will seem as barbaric as lobotomy's in the not to distant future...a single dose of neuroleptics can cause life long movement disorders especially in woman and should be the last resort..not the first option

Obviously, you have your own personal experiences. You don't mind if the rest of world deals with theirs as they feel appropriate, do you?

 

[eots]

I am not saying some people don't feel profoundly depressed or enter into states of psychosis ..I am saying that so called medications are not the solution and in many ways do as much harm as good ..psychiatry is in the stone age and advances and funding are held back due to the billions of dollars involved in drugging people..these practices will seem as barbaric as lobotomy's in the not to distant future...a single dose of neuroleptics can cause life long movement disorders especially in woman and should be the last resort..not the first option

Obviously, you have your own personal experiences. You don't mind if the rest of world deals with theirs as they feel appropriate, do you?

my personal experience is helping individuals get out of hospital and off medications because they where completely opposed to it and no informed consent given..if someone makes a decision from informed consent that is their choice...however anyone who casually and carelessly prescribes these toxic brain and body disabling drugs or forces drugs on people..especially children is my nemesis...

 

[DamnYankee]

I am not saying some people don't feel profoundly depressed or enter into states of psychosis ..I am saying that so called medications are not the solution and in many ways do as much harm as good ..psychiatry is in the stone age and advances and funding are held back due to the billions of dollars involved in drugging people..these practices will seem as barbaric as lobotomy's in the not to distant future...a single dose of neuroleptics can cause life long movement disorders especially in woman and should be the last resort..not the first option

Obviously, you have your own personal experiences. You don't mind if the rest of world deals with theirs as they feel appropriate, do you?

my personal experience is helping individuals get out of hospital and off medications because they where completely opposed to it and no informed consent given..if someone makes a decision from informed consent that is their choice...however anyone who casually and carelessly prescribes these toxic brain and body disabling drugs or forces drugs on people..especially children is my nemesis...

Okay, let's take a look at what you said for a minute. Wouldn't it be illogical to believe that one could be completely opposed to something that they had no knowledge of? And wouldn't it also be illogical to believe that there is undue force ESPECIALLY in the case of children when consent must be authorized by a legal guardian? Can't even give them a goddamned aspirin without that consent.

 

[Cecilie1200]

there is no definitive diagnostic test of any kind for mental illness...only subjective observation..these are simply the facts

no it means the theory mental illness is a result of chemical imbalances and that neuroleptic drugs are the solution is still very much in question

No more than any other effective diagnosis and treatment in medical science, all of which can be improved on.

there is no cure for the cold the virus that causes can be identified

No topic-hopping. We weren't talking about cures or identifying. We were talking about diagnostic tests, which don't exist for a number of things, including the common cold. The existence of a diagnostic test is not a criteria for whether or not an ailment truly exists. Coincidentally, the presence or absence of the required neurotransmitters in the brain can ALSO be identified, but usually are not, for the same reason that no one bothers to test specifically for cold germs: there's no point in going to that kind of effort and expense (and risk, in the case of the neurotransmitters) for something that can easily be diagnosed by signs and symptoms instead.

 

[Cecilie1200]

cec do you have any experience in mental health? I ask because you seem to be well-read in that area.

I work as an advocate for involuntary commited patients that are forced medication without informed consent

Oh, no agenda THERE. Glad to know the rest of us are welcome to suffer so that you can win your arguments at work.

the sins of the father....learned behaviour

First of all, ass clown, three-year-old children do not "learn" clinical depression. That is the earliest age I can remember, and it was very much plagued with the same melancholia that continued throughout my life. Second of all, I say "appears" because obviously, no one has actually done brain surgery on me to measure the exact amount of serotonin present. Because the depression disappears on SSRIs, returns without them, and doesn't respond at all to medication that doesn't affect my serotonin levels, we have concluded that it is serotonin that is the problem, and that my brain has a long-term problem with it, rather than a short-term maladjustment. Third, and this is very important, don't you ever, EVER presume to say a single word about my family, even obliquely. You are cordially and politely invited to shut your fucking trap on that subject forever.

the medications are often very ineffective...sugar pills are effective at a surprisingly high rate ..diet can have remarkable effects...as can cognitive therapy

Well, gloryosky. Medication isn't 100% effective. Alert the news media. Problems caused by things directly controlled by the brain can be affected by the power of suggestion working on that same brain. Who woulda thunk? Sugar pills have been substituted for pain medication too. So what? And you mean that the condition and state of the body's chemistry is affected by the foods you eat? Really?! Gosh, I'm stunned. I guess that little gem of info means that diabetes is all in your head, too, since it can be controlled by diet, not to mention cancer, circulatory problems . . .

SSRIs wouldn't work if scientists hadn't found out what serotonin does (even as late as the 1970s and early 80s, they knew it existed, but had no clue what it did) and how it could be manipulated to treat depression

and still dont...it can cause mental illness far worse than deppresion.. this is a fact ..not in dispute

Yeah, and some people can die from over-the-counter meds. There's a reason why every single freaking medication marketed in America comes with a side effects list as long as your arm: because some people just don't respond well to it. Doesn't make the condition non-existent, and it doesn't make the medication worthless to everyone else.

 

[eots]

no it means the theory mental illness is a result of chemical imbalances and that neuroleptic drugs are the solution is still very much in question

No more than any other effective diagnosis and treatment in medical science, all of which can be improved on.

there is no cure for the cold the virus that causes can be identified

No topic-hopping. We weren't talking about cures or identifying. We were talking about diagnostic tests, which don't exist for a number of things, including the common cold. The existence of a diagnostic test is not a criteria for whether or not an ailment truly exists.



Coincidentally, the presence or absence of the required neurotransmitters in the brain can ALSO be identified, but usually are not, for the same reason that no one bothers to test specifically for cold germs: there's no point in going to that kind of effort and expense (and risk, in the case of the neurotransmitters) for something that can easily be diagnosed by signs and symptoms instead.

it can not be easily diagnosed so called psychiatrist make that claim themselves constantly and your are completely mislead that any absence of neurotransmitters can be measured or any correlation to mental illness can be made..it is simply untrue

 

[Cecilie1200]

No more than any other effective diagnosis and treatment in medical science, all of which can be improved on.



No topic-hopping. We weren't talking about cures or identifying. We were talking about diagnostic tests, which don't exist for a number of things, including the common cold. The existence of a diagnostic test is not a criteria for whether or not an ailment truly exists.



Coincidentally, the presence or absence of the required neurotransmitters in the brain can ALSO be identified, but usually are not, for the same reason that no one bothers to test specifically for cold germs: there's no point in going to that kind of effort and expense (and risk, in the case of the neurotransmitters) for something that can easily be diagnosed by signs and symptoms instead.

it can not be easily diagnosed so called psychiatrist make that claim themselves constantly and your are completely mislead that any absence of neurotransmitters can be measured or any correlation to mental illness can be made..it is simply untrue

"Not easily diagnosed" is ALSO not "doesn't exist". That just argues for making really good choices in doctor, in my opinion.

And you'll excuse me if I choose to listen to respected medical professionals on this subject over a self-proclaimed "advocate" with an axe to grind. They helped me have a life that has gotten better every year since I was twenty-four. YOUR plan would have me still living in Hell. Thanks for nothing.

 

[eots]

Unlike physical health problems and medical conditions, there are no laboratory tests such as blood and urine analyses or x-rays to assist practitioners to definitively diagnose mental illnesses. Instead, practitioners generally rely on listening carefully to patients' complaints and observing their behavior

Diagnosing Disease: The Process of Detecting and Identifying Illness - Diagnosing Mental Illness



> Psychiatrists Admit: No Cures No Science


> Psychiatry: No Cures No Science [4 mins]


> [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHu7Ik36128]YouTube - CCHR on Psychiatry: No Science, No Cures[/ame]


> Psychiatrists openly admitting at the 2006 APA convention
> that they have no scientific tests to prove mental illness
> and have no cures for these unproven mental illnesses.



At least psychiatrists have medical degrees, but psychology is totally
unscientific. The problem is that mental 'illness' literally exists
within the patient's head, so it is impossible to quantify, as is the
'treatment.' Other illnesses can be accurately diagnosed with x-rays,
blood tests, or other diagnostic technologies, and the treatment's
effectiveness can be quantified with the same technologies (e.g., an x-
ray will reveal the tumor has shrunk, or a blood test will reveal that
hemoglobin levels have returned to normal).

When a patient sees a psychologist, there is no diagnostic test to
determine what 'illness' he suffers from, if any at all. And after
countless hours of $500/hour psychotherapy, there is no diagnostic
test to determine whether there has been any improvement in the
patient's condition. The patient might think he feels better, but it
could be just a placebo effect. In fact, people who seek various new
age 'treatments' from astrology to herbalism to faith healing will
swear they are effective, even though they are as unscientific as
psychology.

Psychiatrists admit - NO CURES NO SCIENCE - soc.culture.indian | Google Groups