Do You Agree with Your Enemy Party on Any Issue?

[doniston]

ABANDONED their country?

thats a little mellowdramatic, don't you think? She has an opinion as do you. That's about as American as it gets. If she didn't care about her nation then why would she argue with the lies of you about current policies? Good greif.

Very good point

 

[Shogun]

I don't read Shogun's posts...put him on ignore long ago. It's not your moving to another country that prompts my use of the term "abandoned"; it's your public proclamation that the US is a terrorist state and is responsible for the ills of the world (among some of your other claims) that convinces me you have indeed abandoned your country.

what a pussy.

if you could see CSM right after he posted that he'd be wearing stage makeup and waving jazz hands. It takes a little showmanship to follow his line of trainwreck logic.

 

[Shogun]

Very good point

Thanks.



You can let CSM know that The Sapranos stole his high school nickname.

 

[Ruby]

I don't read Shogun's posts...put him on ignore long ago. It's not your moving to another country that prompts my use of the term "abandoned"; it's your public proclamation that the US is a terrorist state and is responsible for the ills of the world (among some of your other claims) that convinces me you have indeed abandoned your country.

LOL, I proclaim that the US is responsible for the ills it creates in the world but that is not the same as saying its responsible for ALL the worlds ills. There are many ills that human beings are good at creating and never ever have I said they are ALL coming out of america.

I am american and therefore I am most concerned about the ills that ARE our responsiblity because the only changes we can make are the ones we ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. I can continue to do that even as I dont live in the nation anymore.

I didnt leave for political reasons and thats a silly assumption and I have stated before why I moved. I married a non-american. We certainly cant live in 2 places and had to choose one of em!

BTW, Shogun must have gotten under your skin pretty good and hit a bone too close to home for you to have him on ignore. LOL...I always laugh at folks who cant even deal with an opposing view and then feel a need to put that person on ignore. More cowardly behavior I think.

 

[LiberPublicrat2]

I agree with Republicans and Libertarians the most, so far the Democrats haven't really said much that I can support. Except that the war may have been a mistake. But I'm not for immediate withdrawl from Iraq.

 

[Shogun]

I agree with Republicans and Libertarians the most, so far the Democrats haven't really said much that I can support. Except that the war may have been a mistake. But I'm not for immediate withdrawl from Iraq.

Welcome to the board, LiberPublicrat.

 

[LiberPublicrat2]

Welcome to the board, LiberPublicrat.

Thank you.

 

[DiogenesDog]

I am still concerned with the concept of "enemy parties". How does such an idea come to be?

I read a lot. I have read since I was 5 or so. I started with an ancient set of Encyclopedia Britannica and a 19 ought something Catholic Encyclopedia. I have read at least one newspaper a day and usually more when they are available. I read a lot of history. I look for histories that were published before 1960 or so. I am a fact checker. I have online access to journals and electronic repositories through various current and past affiliations.

I know the history of this nation as well as any professional history academic. I have paid attention to peoples behaviors and attitudes. I am a capitalist. I buy and sell. I have met payrolls in good times and bad.

With that said, I have just recently reached a personal anger level with the vacuous BS that is chucked about as God's own truth by bumper sticker conservatives.

I personally know a real conservative. That would be Richard Lugar (R-IN). I do not consider him an enemy. He is a Republican and I am a Democrat by registration but we are both democrats by choice.

In years past, I have sat in on seminars and lecture series in which he has participated. I have alway lived in areas that have a university near by. In all my years of such experience, I have never once heard anyone from my preferred party affliliation, Democratic, refer to any other organization or party as an enemy party. That, in my personal experience, has been the language of radicals and hot heads who have attached themselves like ticks on an otherwise nobly competitive Republican organization. That organization has now been infiltrated by a less than cerebral cadre of Bolsheviks, crypto-Maoist and toe tappers.

Radicals and hotheads have to draw blood. They also have to create lies and misinformation to keep their toadies excited. They also have to fiddle with the rules and traditions of the electoral process because they support such marginally weak candidates that fraud is their advantage of choice.

I joined this site about 175K posts ago. It got lost in my other endeavors until I got an email from the administrator. I noticed that the largest daily number of participants is 21 (twenty one). I find this to be a target rich environment. I like ruffling feathers. I am able to confront without resorting to uncivil name calling or empty invective.

Who has absorbed Atlas Shrugged?

Larkinn, do I know you?

I AM

 

[LiberPublicrat2]

The only ideologies I would consider as "enemies" to my political philosophy would be communism, fascism, and nazisim...as well as extreme socialism.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Anyone, especially if holding an elected office that publicly tells our enemies ( enemies we are in a shooting war with) that if they just kill enough American troops we will abandon the fight, is, in my opinion an enemy of this Country.

 

[LiberPublicrat2]

Anyone, especially if holding an elected office that publicly tells our enemies ( enemies we are in a shooting war with) that if they just kill enough American troops we will abandon the fight, is, in my opinion an enemy of this Country.

I can agree with that.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I am still concerned with the concept of "enemy parties". How does such an idea come to be?

I read a lot. I have read since I was 5 or so. I started with an ancient set of Encyclopedia Britannica and a 19 ought something Catholic Encyclopedia. I have read at least one newspaper a day and usually more when they are available. I read a lot of history. I look for histories that were published before 1960 or so. I am a fact checker. I have online access to journals and electronic repositories through various current and past affiliations.

I know the history of this nation as well as any professional history academic. I have paid attention to peoples behaviors and attitudes. I am a capitalist. I buy and sell. I have met payrolls in good times and bad.

With that said, I have just recently reached a personal anger level with the vacuous BS that is chucked about as God's own truth by bumper sticker conservatives.

I personally know a real conservative. That would be Richard Lugar (R-IN). I do not consider him an enemy. He is a Republican and I am a Democrat by registration but we are both democrats by choice.

In years past, I have sat in on seminars and lecture series in which he has participated. I have alway lived in areas that have a university near by. In all my years of such experience, I have never once heard anyone from my preferred party affliliation, Democratic, refer to any other organization or party as an enemy party. That, in my personal experience, has been the language of radicals and hot heads who have attached themselves like ticks on an otherwise nobly competitive Republican organization. That organization has now been infiltrated by a less than cerebral cadre of Bolsheviks, crypto-Maoist and toe tappers.

Radicals and hotheads have to draw blood. They also have to create lies and misinformation to keep their toadies excited. They also have to fiddle with the rules and traditions of the electoral process because they support such marginally weak candidates that fraud is their advantage of choice.

I joined this site about 175K posts ago. It got lost in my other endeavors until I got an email from the administrator. I noticed that the largest daily number of participants is 21 (twenty one). I find this to be a target rich environment. I like ruffling feathers. I am able to confront without resorting to uncivil name calling or empty invective.

Who has absorbed Atlas Shrugged?

Larkinn, do I know you?

I AM

I've read Atlas Shrugged plus her other works, altho it's been awhile. Are you a fan of Rand? (i am, check my sig line) If so, why would you be a Democritter - at least as represented by their current presidential candidates who stand for nothing much different than socialism?

 

[CharlestonChad]

I don't have an enemy party, b/c I think both parties are pretty crappy. But since I'm fairly liberal, I'd say I do agree with conservatives on some issues.

1. Gay marriage. I don't really think our gov. needs to be telling a religion who they can or can't marry.

2. I'm in favor of smaller government, which is a conservative belief (but no longer a republican belief). I also agree with maximizing personal freedoms and minimizing government intrusion.

 

[LiberPublicrat2]

I don't have an enemy party, b/c I think both parties are pretty crappy. But since I'm fairly liberal, I'd say I do agree with conservatives on some issues.

1. Gay marriage. I don't really think our gov. needs to be telling a religion who they can or can't marry.

2. I'm in favor of smaller government, which is a conservative belief (but no longer a republican belief). I also agree with maximizing personal freedoms and minimizing government intrusion.

 

[doniston]

I always laugh at folks who cant even deal with an opposing view and then feel a need to put that person on ignore. More cowardly behavior I think.

I very much agree, I have been posting on these sites for many years, and I have not once put anyone on ignore. That is like hiding your head in the sand.

 

[doniston]

I can agree with that.

But who has done that, except in the imagination of RetardGySgt

And speaking of the retard,

I read you cute little comment, and I WILL, in deed, keep it up Leatherhead and it wouldn't be right to call you "Jarhead". cause a jar is hard. your's is soft and spongy

and anything you have to say, you can say HERE, on the board. I don't respond to rep points except on the open board.

 

[DiogenesDog]

I've read Atlas Shrugged plus her other works, altho it's been awhile. Are you a fan of Rand? (i am, check my sig line) If so, why would you be a Democritter - at least as represented by their current presidential candidates who stand for nothing much different than socialism?

that Patton read Rommel.

Would you consider Rand a role model for your children or the children of others.

I find your comical spelling of my party of choice ill mannered and worthy of rebuke.

What do you know of socialism that is not now represented by the gang of thieves that have patterned the party of Lincoln into the very essence of Bolshevism.

Are you also a Hobbsian who would give over to any tyranny for a phantasm of safety?

I have dutifully read all that Rand put into print and uttered in interview. I started reading Rand about the time I started with Thomas Merton. After Rand, I had to delve into all the Russian writers to get some idea of where she was intellectually nourished. I had six years of military service in which to accomplish that task. I am left cold with Rand. What she created is as devoid of human warmth as any thing in modern print. Then I delved into the reports of her personal life by both friend and foe. Rand had a hole in her soul.

I am no fan of Rand except to recommend that she be read only by those who have a depth of intellect that prevents them from excavating a pit in their own soul.

Do not misunderstand my soul talk as being conventionally religious. I am not. I understand the same god to which Einstein made reference and the same to which Hawking does. I even acknowledge that Rand had a concept of that, but it is largely dismissed by those who have cherry picked her ideation.

Here is one

The good, say the mystics of spirit, is God, a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man's power to conceive- a definition that invalidates man's consciousness and nullifies his concepts of existence...Man's mind, say the mystics of spirit, must be subordinated to the will of God... Man's standard of value, say the mystics of spirit, is the pleasure of God, whose standards are beyond man's power of comprehension and must be accepted on faith....The purpose of man's life...is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question. [Ayn Rand, For the New Intellectual]

There is a step beyond this rather dreary plaint that Rand did not or could not take. Rand was bound by a Rus soul that is still lingering in that same realm of the lost by many in that place today. Rand had a blossoming of sorts in the West but there is just no completeness to her. There is no point of release. It was telling in her personal life and mores.

Now this is my take on Rand. I make no apologies for my positions or conclusions. I had not given her much thought until the coming of the Neos. I have long been a reader of Francis Fukuyama. I have been fortunate enough to sit in on some of his lectures and appearances. How was it that I chose the very first of the Chicago school to bolt from the tragedy that is now such a Neo-Fiasco. That said, I now find myself back again mining Rand among others.

I AM

 

[jillian]

I've read Atlas Shrugged plus her other works, altho it's been awhile. Are you a fan of Rand? (i am, check my sig line) If so, why would you be a Democritter - at least as represented by their current presidential candidates who stand for nothing much different than socialism?

Ummmmm... I read a loved Atlas Shrugged. That doesn't mean we should live our lives as coldly as her characters. And DEMOCRATS... (I'm sure if you google it, you can figure out how to spell it correctly) are not socialist. Socialists are socialist. Personally, I happen to be a capitalist, but not an Adam Smith Laissez Faire type. You know, the kind who caused the conditions documented by another briliant author of his day... Upton Sinclair. I'd suggest The Jungle as required reading to offset Rand. And yes, Sinclair actually WAS a socialist and anarchist, but because of him we ended up with some very good laws. One doesn't have to take anyone's philosophy whole... presumably a person with intelligence is able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

[Bern80]

Ummmmm... I read a loved Atlas Shrugged. That doesn't mean we should live our lives as coldly as her characters. And DEMOCRATS... (I'm sure if you google it, you can figure out how to spell it correctly) are not socialist. Socialists are socialist. Personally, I happen to be a capitalist, but not an Adam Smith Laissez Faire type. You know, the kind who caused the conditions documented by another briliant author of his day... Upton Sinclair. I'd suggest The Jungle as required reading to offset Rand. And yes, Sinclair actually WAS a socialist and anarchist, but because of him we ended up with some very good laws. One doesn't have to take anyone's philosophy whole... presumably a person with intelligence is able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Atlas Shrugged is probably my favorite book of all time. I wouldn't describe thos caharacters as cold really. Fed up and practical maybe. They were fed up with people expecting so much of them while demanding nothing of themselves. That being the case I don't think it isn't that Laissez fair capitalism can't work. It's just take more effort to survive in that system than many care to put forth.

 

[Larkinn]

Anyone, especially if holding an elected office that publicly tells our enemies ( enemies we are in a shooting war with) that if they just kill enough American troops we will abandon the fight, is, in my opinion an enemy of this Country.

So you consider telling someone something that is blatantly and obviously true to be a traitorous act?

Diogenes...if you know a Larkin/Larkinn on another political message board it is probably me. I vaguely recognize your name, but not sure.