Do you agree with these reasons as to why Obamacare passed?

Are these the Reasons for Obamacare?

  • To provide health insurance for the unemployed and lower costs of health insurance ?

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • JUST to provide health insurance for all the uninsured?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Just to lower health insurance costs?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • None of the above as both premises are proving false

    Votes: 13 92.9%

  • Total voters
    14

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There were two primary reasons for Congress to pass Obamacare that I can surmise.

1) Cover those people that didn't have health insurance

2) Lower health insurance costs.

This poll question asks if you agree.
 
It is what IT IS.

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Get over it....

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There were two primary reasons for Congress to pass Obamacare that I can surmise.

1) Cover those people that didn't have health insurance

2) Lower health insurance costs.

This poll question asks if you agree.
3) To either bankrupt companies writing medical policies or get them to quit doing so altogether, so that the federal gubmint becomes the "insurer of last resort", resulting in defacto socialized medical services....Which was the end game all along.

 
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Health care costs were out of control.

Too many American citizens were without medical insurance.

Too many American citizens, businesses and governments (local, state, federal, special districts) paid too much for medical care and the costs rose every year for decades.

Too many American citizens received treatment at ER's at great cost, and many times waited too long before seeking medical treatment exacerbating their illness/injury and increasing costs.

All persons - citizens or not - will by law receive treatment at any hospital in the nation, public or private. Once remedial care is provided, the patient treated at a private hospital will be transported to the nearest public hospital and dumped on their doorstep.

Preventive health care provided freely to all citizens will cut down the costs of medical care in our country on an actuarial basis.
 
Health care costs were out of control.

Too many American citizens were without medical insurance.

Too many American citizens, businesses and governments (local, state, federal, special districts) paid too much for medical care and the costs rose every year for decades.

Too many American citizens received treatment at ER's at great cost, and many times waited too long before seeking medical treatment exacerbating their illness/injury and increasing costs.

All persons - citizens or not - will by law receive treatment at any hospital in the nation, public or private. Once remedial care is provided, the patient treated at a private hospital will be transported to the nearest public hospital and dumped on their doorstep.

Preventive health care provided freely to all citizens will cut down the costs of medical care in our country on an actuarial basis.

So you want to steal someones liberty so they pay for you, or be forced to provide that service.

Hell thats what liberty is to lefties, make someone else pay and work.
 
Health care costs were out of control.

Too many American citizens were without medical insurance.

Too many American citizens, businesses and governments (local, state, federal, special districts) paid too much for medical care and the costs rose every year for decades.

Too many American citizens received treatment at ER's at great cost, and many times waited too long before seeking medical treatment exacerbating their illness/injury and increasing costs.

All persons - citizens or not - will by law receive treatment at any hospital in the nation, public or private. Once remedial care is provided, the patient treated at a private hospital will be transported to the nearest public hospital and dumped on their doorstep.

Preventive health care provided freely to all citizens will cut down the costs of medical care in our country on an actuarial basis.

So you want to steal someones liberty so they pay for you, or be forced to provide that service.

Hell thats what liberty is to lefties, make someone else pay and work.

Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.
 
Health care costs were out of control.

Too many American citizens were without medical insurance.

Too many American citizens, businesses and governments (local, state, federal, special districts) paid too much for medical care and the costs rose every year for decades.

Too many American citizens received treatment at ER's at great cost, and many times waited too long before seeking medical treatment exacerbating their illness/injury and increasing costs.

All persons - citizens or not - will by law receive treatment at any hospital in the nation, public or private. Once remedial care is provided, the patient treated at a private hospital will be transported to the nearest public hospital and dumped on their doorstep.

Preventive health care provided freely to all citizens will cut down the costs of medical care in our country on an actuarial basis.

So you want to steal someones liberty so they pay for you, or be forced to provide that service.

Hell thats what liberty is to lefties, make someone else pay and work.

Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.
Um, no we're not.....Lots of uninsured pay for the medical services thet receive out-of-pocket.

But it's much more politically expedient for the committed statist liars to treat them as potential moochers, rather than responsible people who pay their bills.
 
Health care costs were out of control.

Too many American citizens were without medical insurance.

Too many American citizens, businesses and governments (local, state, federal, special districts) paid too much for medical care and the costs rose every year for decades.

Too many American citizens received treatment at ER's at great cost, and many times waited too long before seeking medical treatment exacerbating their illness/injury and increasing costs.

All persons - citizens or not - will by law receive treatment at any hospital in the nation, public or private. Once remedial care is provided, the patient treated at a private hospital will be transported to the nearest public hospital and dumped on their doorstep.

Preventive health care provided freely to all citizens will cut down the costs of medical care in our country on an actuarial basis.

So you want to steal someones liberty so they pay for you, or be forced to provide that service.

Hell thats what liberty is to lefties, make someone else pay and work.

Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.

It does not....
We have over 40 million on food stamps. But they can afford insurance.

Put that crack pipe down.
 
The actual reason was to assure Democratic hegemony for years to come. That was the theory: Pass a big new entitlement, front load it so it could pass CBO scoring as revenue neutral (even though it was anything but), and tell voters Democrats have given them something for nothing.
It didnt turn out that way, as witnessed by the 2010 congressionals.
 
Health care costs were out of control.

Too many American citizens were without medical insurance.

Too many American citizens, businesses and governments (local, state, federal, special districts) paid too much for medical care and the costs rose every year for decades.

Too many American citizens received treatment at ER's at great cost, and many times waited too long before seeking medical treatment exacerbating their illness/injury and increasing costs.

All persons - citizens or not - will by law receive treatment at any hospital in the nation, public or private. Once remedial care is provided, the patient treated at a private hospital will be transported to the nearest public hospital and dumped on their doorstep.

Preventive health care provided freely to all citizens will cut down the costs of medical care in our country on an actuarial basis.

So you want to steal someones liberty so they pay for you, or be forced to provide that service.

Hell thats what liberty is to lefties, make someone else pay and work.

Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.

Since when does our government have the right to 'make' any citizen 'step up' and 'take personal responsibility'.

People who think this way are a danger to our Republic, our liberty.
 
So you want to steal someones liberty so they pay for you, or be forced to provide that service.

Hell thats what liberty is to lefties, make someone else pay and work.

Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.

It does not....
We have over 40 million on food stamps. But they can afford insurance.

Put that crack pipe down.

And you have middle income people who choose to not buy HC coverage.

Even with subsidized health care the only ones who would not pay are the desperately poor.

Low income persons and families above the Medicaid level and up to 400% of the federal poverty level will receive federal subsidies[23] on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (persons at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be of 2% of income or $50 a month for a family of 4).[24]
Minimum standards for health insurance policies are to be established and annual and lifetime coverage caps will be banned

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
To get uninsured insured, not so much "Provide" insurance...

Thereby reducing per-capita costs.

Beyond that it was little more than regulatory reform.
 
Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.

It does not....
We have over 40 million on food stamps. But they can afford insurance.

Put that crack pipe down.

And you have middle income people who choose to not buy HC coverage.
Whom disingenuous party man hacks like you treat like deadbeats who won't pay their bills.

Little wonder you're <20% of the total population.
 
So you want to steal someones liberty so they pay for you, or be forced to provide that service.

Hell thats what liberty is to lefties, make someone else pay and work.

Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.

Since when does our government have the right to 'make' any citizen 'step up' and 'take personal responsibility'.

People who think this way are a danger to our Republic, our liberty.

Tell that to the ones who want to force women to give birth (which I know you oppose) and die without dignity. You're already paying out the ass in hospital bills to cover their treatment, right? Why not have them shoulder some of the costs of their own treatment?
 
Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.

It does not....
We have over 40 million on food stamps. But they can afford insurance.

Put that crack pipe down.

And you have middle income people who choose to not buy HC coverage.

Can't have any of that personal choice! It's downright un-American!
 
Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.

It does not....
We have over 40 million on food stamps. But they can afford insurance.

Put that crack pipe down.

And you have middle income people who choose to not buy HC coverage.

Even with subsidized health care the only ones who would not pay are the desperately poor.

Low income persons and families above the Medicaid level and up to 400% of the federal poverty level will receive federal subsidies[23] on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (persons at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be of 2% of income or $50 a month for a family of 4).[24]
Minimum standards for health insurance policies are to be established and annual and lifetime coverage caps will be banned

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They chose not to buy it because of cost. But hey put some free birth control in there that will lower it.:lol: Now if they can not afford it, more government subsidies are required.

Are you catching on yet?
 
I am going to provide you with the FACTS which if you want you can verify with my links and if you are really honest you would read those links and maybe come to a different conclusion!

Health care costs were out of control.
WHAT costs first of all are out of "control"?
If you meant the "$600 billion a year in defensive medicine" costs I'd agree!
90% of physicians report that of every $4 in claims they submitted, $1 was strictly "defensive medicine" i.e. FEAR of being SUED!
Doctors Practice Medicine in Fear, New Study Finds
Yet there was NO tort reform as Obama/Congress received over $300 million from the millionaire lawyers that made $100 billion a year in legal fees..

Your 2nd point... Too many American citizens were without medical insurance.

WHAT IS "TOO MANY"????
Are you in favor of the 10 million people that claim "uninsured" BUT ARE NOT CITIZENS being covered by American law?
Are you aware that 14 million Americans who SAID they were Uninsured actually are covered by Medicaid already?
Are you aware that 18 million people that make over $50,000 a year under age 34 do not want nor do the NEED health insurance even though offered by their employer are counted as the "uninsured".. again a skewed use of statistics!
That leaves of the supposedly 46 million that was used to justify Obamacare actually less then 5 million people that are TRULY UNINSURED and want INSURANCE!
IS THAT the "TOO MANY" that you mentioned enough to totally destroy the health care system provided to the rest of 99.6% of Americans???


Too many American citizens, businesses and governments (local, state, federal, special districts) paid too much for medical care and the costs rose every year for decades.
(The above is answered by $600 billion defensive medicine costs if reduced by 20% would lower costs!)

YOUR NEXT comment shows how YOU are ignorant of this 1986 law..
All persons - citizens or not - will by law receive treatment at any hospital in the nation, public or private.

in 1986 Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. Section 1867 of the Social Security Act imposes specific obligations on Medicare-participating hospitals that offer emergency services to provide a medical screening examination (MSE) when a request is made for examination or treatment for an emergency medical condition (EMC), including active labor, regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Hospitals are then required t provide stabilizing treatment for patients with EMCs. If a hospital is unable to stabilize a patient"

EMTALA CAUSED hospitals to "pad and pass" on to Medicare services that they mark up by 6,000% in some cases!
For example IF you really want to know the truth, tell me the city you live in.
I will then show you how much your local hospital MARKS UP their Medicare claims to cover the EMTALA expenses!
For example I have access to a database that shows a hospital in Tampa that sent in 2009 2,110 claims to Medicare at a cost per claim of $2,635 for SERVICES that cost the hospital $43! A 6,127% MARKUP!
WHY?? BECAUSE of EMTALA.. forcing hospital that takes Medicare to absorb the costs of UNINSURED and in doing so this hospital "padded and Passed" on to Medicare which is OK with Medicare BECAUSE OF EMTALA!!!


If you are NOT afraid of the truth, tell me the city you live in and let me show you why
MEDICARE costs have ExPLODED and how there is a simple solution!!!
 
Got news for you, Einstein. You're already paying for their treatment. Obamacare will make them step up and take personal responsibility for their own medical care.

Since when does our government have the right to 'make' any citizen 'step up' and 'take personal responsibility'.

People who think this way are a danger to our Republic, our liberty.

Tell that to the ones who want to force women to give birth (which I know you oppose) and die without dignity. You're already paying out the ass in hospital bills to cover their treatment, right? Why not have them shoulder some of the costs of their own treatment?
Pretty weak diversion from the point with the all-too-predictable appeal to emotion....You really suck at this, dude.
 

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