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I think "blacks" love to be seen and treated as a victim, But I guess you have to be white and see some of the things that most blacks are not aware of to understand why some accept it.
I think you are of age where you can think and not imitate....
Who said anything about imitating? It's called reacting to your environment.
I don't live in some PC house on the hill where theory trumps reality. The lessons I've learned about race relations have all been taught to me by blacks. When they stop teaching that lesson maybe I'll be able to learn something different.
Amanda, what lessons did blacks teach you?
It was a conversation about laws. I said gun/drug laws and he said affirmatave action. I want to know which laws you want explained as to why we accept them?
Which ever 1's you think apply. You already said that you needed a certain perspective to understand why different standards are accepted, so please give us that perspective.
The gun/drug laws are a double-edged sword in the black community. They are unfair but sometimes they are necessary. If the crimes were enforced correctly and fully, I think it would be more of an outrage against the laws. And example is that a few weeks ago, a convicted drug dealer in my area got off with weekend lock up. He only reported once a month because the courts don't follow up and it is only reported if he doesn't go for 30 consecutive days. Needless to say, he murdered a man on a Friday night when he was supposed to be locked up. Need more explanation.
Who said anything about imitating? It's called reacting to your environment.
I don't live in some PC house on the hill where theory trumps reality. The lessons I've learned about race relations have all been taught to me by blacks. When they stop teaching that lesson maybe I'll be able to learn something different.
Amanda, what lessons did blacks teach you?
That I should fear them.
More than that I'm not going to discuss publicly.
I think "blacks" love to be seen and treated as a victim, But I guess you have to be white and see some of the things that most blacks are not aware of to understand why some accept it.
Everyone in American wants to be the victim. Big part of why our culture is dying-- everyone wants to play the victim and be rescued by someone else, and noone wants to be the hero that does the rescuing. Noone wants to be the guy who does what has to be done, takes his lumps, and keeps going.
The American Hero was mortally wounded in the Sixties. He's still hanging in there, but he doesn't have much time left.
Which ever 1's you think apply. You already said that you needed a certain perspective to understand why different standards are accepted, so please give us that perspective.
The gun/drug laws are a double-edged sword in the black community. They are unfair but sometimes they are necessary. If the crimes were enforced correctly and fully, I think it would be more of an outrage against the laws. And example is that a few weeks ago, a convicted drug dealer in my area got off with weekend lock up. He only reported once a month because the courts don't follow up and it is only reported if he doesn't go for 30 consecutive days. Needless to say, he murdered a man on a Friday night when he was supposed to be locked up. Need more explanation.
I don't understand... if you report for 30 days of lockup how do you get out before the 30 days are up?
Also, I guess my question would be aren't gun and drug laws the same for everyone? Is there some way that you think they unfairly target blacks?
The gun/drug laws are a double-edged sword in the black community. They are unfair but sometimes they are necessary. If the crimes were enforced correctly and fully, I think it would be more of an outrage against the laws. And example is that a few weeks ago, a convicted drug dealer in my area got off with weekend lock up. He only reported once a month because the courts don't follow up and it is only reported if he doesn't go for 30 consecutive days. Needless to say, he murdered a man on a Friday night when he was supposed to be locked up. Need more explanation.
I don't understand... if you report for 30 days of lockup how do you get out before the 30 days are up?
Also, I guess my question would be aren't gun and drug laws the same for everyone? Is there some way that you think they unfairly target blacks?
No, his punishment was to be locked up on the weekends for the drug conviction. He was actually convicted months ago but the murder happened a few weeks ago. Sorry for the confusion.
And as far as the laws, cocaine vs. crack convictions, rifle vs. handgun.
it's funny to watch people insist that crack and cocaine are exactly the same while having to use qualifiers like "almost" and "essentially".
I don't think blacks have it better then any other group of people, I think blacks have it worse then any other groups of people but the reason blacks have it worse is because of nature.It's unbecoming for a White man to bitch and moan how much better the Blacks have it that you do.
it's funny to watch people insist that crack and cocaine are exactly the same while having to use qualifiers like "almost" and "essentially".
Ice and water are essentially the same thing. So are coal and diamonds. What's your point?
They are the same thing. They just have a different method of delivery.
They are the same thing. They just have a different method of delivery.
...and concentration. Is 3.2 beer the same thing as moonshine?
They are the same thing. They just have a different method of delivery.
...and concentration. Is 3.2 beer the same thing as moonshine?
So you're saying that uncut cocaine more concentrated than crack?
...and concentration. Is 3.2 beer the same thing as moonshine?
So you're saying that uncut cocaine more concentrated than crack?
I'm saying that crack is the reduced version of processed cocaine much like what grain alcohol is after being stilled from fermented corn mash. It's funny to watch people try and draw an equivalence while disregarding this basic fact.
Tell me.. Are all Tylenols the same too?
Tylenol sells products to relieve pain, allergies, and cold- and flu- related symptoms. Allergy and cold products also contain dextromethorphan, antihistamines, and expectorants. A class of stronger pain relievers contains codeine: Tylenol 1 (available in Canada without a prescription) contains 325 mg acetaminophen, 15 mg caffeine and 8 mg codeine; Tylenol 2 contains 300 mg acetaminophen and 15 mg codeine, Tylenol 3 (300 mg/30 mg), and Tylenol 4 (300 mg/60 mg). Acetaminophen is also found in other narcotic-based analgesics such as Percocet which contains oxycodone.
So you're saying that uncut cocaine more concentrated than crack?
I'm saying that crack is the reduced version of processed cocaine much like what grain alcohol is after being stilled from fermented corn mash. It's funny to watch people try and draw an equivalence while disregarding this basic fact.
Tell me.. Are all Tylenols the same too?
Tylenol sells products to relieve pain, allergies, and cold- and flu- related symptoms. Allergy and cold products also contain dextromethorphan, antihistamines, and expectorants. A class of stronger pain relievers contains codeine: Tylenol 1 (available in Canada without a prescription) contains 325 mg acetaminophen, 15 mg caffeine and 8 mg codeine; Tylenol 2 contains 300 mg acetaminophen and 15 mg codeine, Tylenol 3 (300 mg/30 mg), and Tylenol 4 (300 mg/60 mg). Acetaminophen is also found in other narcotic-based analgesics such as Percocet which contains oxycodone.
Ok dude, it was a question. Now, I'm gonna assume since you didn't answer that question then you think raw cocaine is more concentrated than processed crack. I would then assume that you think that cocaine should have stiffer penalties for that reason and because you can't have crack cocaine without the cocaine base. I understand Tylenol, moonshine, etc. but I'm really just trying to understand your position on crack vs. cocaine.
I'm saying that crack is the reduced version of processed cocaine much like what grain alcohol is after being stilled from fermented corn mash. It's funny to watch people try and draw an equivalence while disregarding this basic fact.
Tell me.. Are all Tylenols the same too?
Tylenol sells products to relieve pain, allergies, and cold- and flu- related symptoms. Allergy and cold products also contain dextromethorphan, antihistamines, and expectorants. A class of stronger pain relievers contains codeine: Tylenol 1 (available in Canada without a prescription) contains 325 mg acetaminophen, 15 mg caffeine and 8 mg codeine; Tylenol 2 contains 300 mg acetaminophen and 15 mg codeine, Tylenol 3 (300 mg/30 mg), and Tylenol 4 (300 mg/60 mg). Acetaminophen is also found in other narcotic-based analgesics such as Percocet which contains oxycodone.
Ok dude, it was a question. Now, I'm gonna assume since you didn't answer that question then you think raw cocaine is more concentrated than processed crack. I would then assume that you think that cocaine should have stiffer penalties for that reason and because you can't have crack cocaine without the cocaine base. I understand Tylenol, moonshine, etc. but I'm really just trying to understand your position on crack vs. cocaine.
who the fuck is buying pure, uncut cocaine on the same street level where crack is found? Why are you trying to avoid the FACT that crack is a concentration of reduced cocaine? If you "understand" the tylonol and moonshine references then you SHOULD be able to understand the outright difference of product regardless of a similar base drug. I take it that this is the "almost" and "essentially" differences you would rather not discuss when looking to cry racism.
Ok dude, it was a question. Now, I'm gonna assume since you didn't answer that question then you think raw cocaine is more concentrated than processed crack. I would then assume that you think that cocaine should have stiffer penalties for that reason and because you can't have crack cocaine without the cocaine base. I understand Tylenol, moonshine, etc. but I'm really just trying to understand your position on crack vs. cocaine.
who the fuck is buying pure, uncut cocaine on the same street level where crack is found? Why are you trying to avoid the FACT that crack is a concentration of reduced cocaine? If you "understand" the tylonol and moonshine references then you SHOULD be able to understand the outright difference of product regardless of a similar base drug. I take it that this is the "almost" and "essentially" differences you would rather not discuss when looking to cry racism.
Ok dude, calm down. No one is crying racism here? Why the fuck are you and Amanda so defensive? And PWID is not street level not in my area. I don't know where you're from. This is a discussion where I hear your arguments to try to understand your POV and I would hope that you could do the same. I'm not trying to get in a pissing match. Now, maybe I should have said trafficking...but since I live in a small town and that amount is not usually found, I apologize.
