Do we need a new Declaration of Independence?

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    Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776
    "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. "

    Smartt: I wonder if we may be entering into the "course of humen events..." where a new Declaration of Independence needs to be promoted?

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident:
    That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

    Smartt:
    1. Our government no longer "derives their powers from the concent of the governed." At least, the people are not being represented by the government.
    2. Is our government becoming destructive of the people's power?
    3. Is a revolution reasonable yet? Should we "abolish" the current government powers?
    4. Is a new (renewed) foundation called for?
    5. Are we where the people were when this great dicument was written?


    "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;"

    Smartt: I for one cannot really figure out what real and stable causes our government stands for these days. It stands for partisanship (division) greed, control in spite of the needs of the people, and much more on the negative side.

    " and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

    Smartt: Are we allowing political correctness replace all that is true and right?

    "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

    Smartt: Is this where America is?
    " Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government."

    Smartt: History repeating?

    "The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states."

    Smartt: This is what some people (and an increasing number of them) are saying about "the history of the present" President of the United States. Scary?
    "To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. "

    Smartt: Oh my!! Is it possible? Could this be a letter of independence that needs to be sent to the President?

    "He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and, when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. "

    Smartt: Or maybe he has so aggressively pursued the passing of legislation for his own cause that even members of the government are pressured?


    "He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them, and formidable to tyrants only."

    Smartt: I hope we are not anywhere near this crossing.

    "He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures."

    Smartt: This sounds all too current.

    "He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing, with manly firmness, his invasions on the rights of the people.
    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining, in the mean time, exposed to all the dangers of invasions from without and convulsions within."

    Smartt: Do we dare to allow it to go this far in the US? People are dropping out of his court more frequently than ever, .

    "He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

    He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

    He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

    He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies, without the consent of our legislatures.

    He has affected to render the military independent of, and superior to, the civil power.

    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution and unacknowledged by our laws, giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

    For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us;

    For protecting them, by a mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states;

    For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world;

    For imposing taxes on us without our consent;

    For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury;

    For transporting us beyond seas, to be tried for pretended offenses;

    For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries, so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these colonies;

    For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments;

    For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

    He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

    He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation, and tyranny already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

    He has constrained our fellow-citizens, taken captive on the high seas, to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

    He has excited domestic insurrection among us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions."

    Smartt: I can only hope that we don't have to repeat this letter (Declaration).

    "In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms; our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

    Nor have we been wanting in our attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them, from time to time, of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity; and we have conjured them, by the ties of our common kindred, to disavow these usurpations which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too, have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity which denounces our separation, and hold them as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

    We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the authority of the good people of these colonies solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.
    [Signed by] JOHN HANCOCK [President] "

    "New Hampshire
    JOSIAH BARTLETT,
    WM. WHIPPLE,
    MATTHEW THORNTON.

    Massachusetts Bay
    SAML. ADAMS,
    JOHN ADAMS,
    ROBT. TREAT PAINE,
    ELBRIDGE GERRY

    Rhode Island
    STEP. HOPKINS,
    WILLIAM ELLERY.

    Connecticut
    ROGER SHERMAN,
    SAM'EL HUNTINGTON,
    WM. WILLIAMS,
    OLIVER WOLCOTT.

    New York
    WM. FLOYD,
    PHIL. LIVINGSTON,
    FRANS. LEWIS,
    LEWIS MORRIS.

    New Jersey
    RICHD. STOCKTON,
    JNO. WITHERSPOON,
    FRAS. HOPKINSON,
    JOHN HART,
    ABRA. CLARK.

    Pennsylvania
    ROBT. MORRIS
    BENJAMIN RUSH,
    BENJA. FRANKLIN,
    JOHN MORTON,
    GEO. CLYMER,"
     
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    Not unless the Queen of England takes us over again
     
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    What about King Obama?
     
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    Sorry Smartt.....your supposedly profound observations are no where close to reality....maybe you can bring this up at the Tea Baggers convention

    Nice try though
     
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    Obama was elected.

    No matter how much you try to pretend his admin is not the will of the people.
     
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    You bought into that myth as well that elected people actually respond to the people. I use to believe that until I read some interesting writings that basically described any large democracy as elected elite that rules over you.

    Democracy is a failure and always have been.
     
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    Most of who voted him in would vote him out today if they had a chance.
     
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    Translation From Liberals: WE LOVE EXCEPTIONALLY POOR GOVERNMENT!
     
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    I agree. See the result of the 2000 US Presidential Election for Exhibit 1.....(and please don't harp on about being a representative republic yadda, yadda, yadda)
     

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