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    power forthe 21st century?

    Drill baby drill

    and build more nuclear plants.................................
     
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    That's your answer, 19th and 20th century technologies?!?! The only answer to long-term energy independence is fusion power. We need more investment into research to shorten the projected timeline of 40-50 years. For more info go to:

    ITER - the way to new energy OR

    Department of Energy - Fusion
     
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    Fusion is the way, period. We'll look back in shame one day at how long we put off it's implementation.

    As far as current fission technology - There are places where it's appropriate, but it's more a soundbyte than anything else. We can build wind for less dollars per kWh than we can build nuclear... The American midwest has been called the "Saudi Arabia of wind."
     
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    If somebody would figure out how to use cops, lawyers, bankers and military goofs as fuel in the coal plants you'd have free energy for a loooooong time.
     
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    It's easy being a lib, they operate on emotion.They wish windmills produced enough energy so therefore they do and they don't have to do any research. The other emotion libs are big into is hatred but that's another story.
     
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    LOL!!! Is this a canned response? I don't see any libs being "emotional" about wind energy in this thread. Actually, the first two responses downplayed its importance. Seems the "hatred" you're talking about is internal and you're just projecting it on others.
     
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    Wind farms have alot of dirty little secrets. Chief among them? Each wind generator needs 5 barrels of oil annually, for the oil changes in the gearhead and the transformer at the base of each one. Given a million of these, and you see why oil magnates like T. Boone Pickens LOVE these pieces of shit. About the only "green jobs" they provide is for the companies who... change the oil.

    They also leak and sling this oil, great for the groundwater!

    There's enough steel from China in each one to build 1,000 Prius's, enough concrete used for the footing of each one to build affordable housing for 50 families. I won't even mention the MILES of copper in each one that has to be MINED, stripped from the earth.

    And? They automatically shut down in high winds, 42 MPH is usually the default. And of course they produce NOTHING in low winds.

    Generators, no matter how they are driven, are 18th Century technology. So the earlier regurgitated "20th Century technology" fallacy isn't worth the bytes it took to publish it.

    The wind farms are tied into the grid, requiring in most cases 100s of miles of new power lines to accomplish this. Really looks good on pristine landscape. And the conventional power plants tied in with them? Use MORE fuel than if the windfarm wasn't there, because they must stay in high-idle all the time, then drop the hammer and run balls to the walls when the wind gets too high or too low.... When normally they would cruise efficiently at 50-80% throttle.

    There is nothing green about these, nothing at all efficient about them. This is why they need massive taxpayer funding, to "appear" viable. It's a "feel good" thing, proving ignorance truly IS bliss.
     
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    Seeems fusion is the only way to go.

    Oil- Limited supply and introduces atmospheric pollution.

    Nuclear- Melt down dangers and the accumulation of tons of radiactive waste with nowhere to put it.

    Wind and solar- Availability limited by nature, but lower environmental problems.

    Fusion- Fuel nearly unlimited, very low waste radiation. Down side, the worlds addiction to oil has made it turn a blind eye to the real answer to energy independence.
     
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    Konradv, only one problem with fusion. No one knows how to do it yet.
     
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    A really dumb statement.

    Wind Powering America: U.S. Installed Wind Capacity and Wind Project Locations

    And this is out of date. On one windy day, recently, the mills in Oregon were producing over 3 gw of power.
     

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