Do the poor earn their welfare?

[uscitizen]

I say no. But then again I don't consider sitting at home drinking pop and beer while smoking cigarettes and watching the days of our lives work.

do children earn their keep?
And why do I have to pay to educate someone elses children?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

well its nice to see their are such laws. Unfortunately they are enforced about as well as our immigration laws. And if only the system wasn't abused to begin with. Now you have a lot of states left so ya better get busy.

You provide no evidence as to the alleged ‘abuse.’ And whether abused or not, that doesn’t mitigate the fact one must work to receive TANF.

Obviously you want to get rid of ‘welfare.’ What will you replace it with?

Or is your ‘plan’ we simply take care stepping over the dead bodies in the street.

Edit: I don't know what program that is your referring to. The only programs I'm familiar with are AFDC (cash) WIC (pregnant women) and food stamps. WIC is a necessary program but the others are severely abused.

AFDC is TANF, its name before the 1996 Welfare Reform law. Food Stamps aren’t ‘welfare,’ it’s a supplemental food program for the working poor administered by the USDA. WIC is a tiny program, with very limited benefits, also like food stamps a supplemental program only, providing no support in of itself.

I plan to sweep the dead bodies under the rug like the dems have done with common sense and our economy. Seems about as workable a plan as their policies.

 

[Full-Auto]

well its nice to see their are such laws. Unfortunately they are enforced about as well as our immigration laws. And if only the system wasn't abused to begin with. Now you have a lot of states left so ya better get busy.

You provide no evidence as to the alleged ‘abuse.’ And whether abused or not, that doesn’t mitigate the fact one must work to receive TANF.

Obviously you want to get rid of ‘welfare.’ What will you replace it with?

Or is your ‘plan’ we simply take care stepping over the dead bodies in the street.

Edit: I don't know what program that is your referring to. The only programs I'm familiar with are AFDC (cash) WIC (pregnant women) and food stamps. WIC is a necessary program but the others are severely abused.

AFDC is TANF, its name before the 1996 Welfare Reform law. Food Stamps aren’t ‘welfare,’ it’s a supplemental food program for the working poor administered by the USDA. WIC is a tiny program, with very limited benefits, also like food stamps a supplemental program only, providing no support in of itself.

You provide no evidence as to the alleged ‘abuse.’ And whether abused or not, that doesn’t mitigate the fact one must work to receive TANF.

INCORRECT! Are you aware there are 4 or more different programs under this name.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I say no. But then again I don't consider sitting at home drinking pop and beer while smoking cigarettes and watching the days of our lives work.

do children earn their keep?
And why do I have to pay to educate someone elses children?

Progressives have a hard time comprehending the idea of personal choice.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I say no. But then again I don't consider sitting at home drinking pop and beer while smoking cigarettes and watching the days of our lives work.

do children earn their keep?
And why do I have to pay to educate someone elses children?

That's a good question. Maybe you should start another useless thread like this one and its counterpart about the rich. After all that's why I made this one, but the irony of its stupidity flew right past most posters so good luck with yours.

 

[uscitizen]

I say no. But then again I don't consider sitting at home drinking pop and beer while smoking cigarettes and watching the days of our lives work.

do children earn their keep?
And why do I have to pay to educate someone elses children?

Progressives have a hard time comprehending the idea of personal choice.

I pay to educate conservative brats as well.
Hell they even want vouchers for more than they paid in school tax.

 

[Greenbeard]

Edit: I don't know what program that is your referring to. The only programs I'm familiar with are AFDC (cash) WIC (pregnant women) and food stamps. WIC is a necessary program but the others are severely abused.

AFDC is TANF, its name before the 1996 Welfare Reform law.

I suspected the reason some folks are still using Reagan-era talking points about "welfare" is that they're not aware that AFDC doesn't even exist anymore. Not exactly up with the times.

 

[eots]

I say no. But then again I don't consider sitting at home drinking pop and beer while smoking cigarettes and watching the days of our lives work.

people on welfare make many capitalist very wealthy

 

[uscitizen]

I say no. But then again I don't consider sitting at home drinking pop and beer while smoking cigarettes and watching the days of our lives work.

people on welfare make many capitalist very wealthy

Yep and create jobs making and selling those cigarettes and pop.

 

[Full-Auto]

I say no. But then again I don't consider sitting at home drinking pop and beer while smoking cigarettes and watching the days of our lives work.

people on welfare make many capitalist very wealthy

 

[MeBelle]

Citizens weren't supposed to receive Welfare and Unemployment Benefits forever. The System was never intended to support them permanently. There needs to be reasonable limits as to how long Citizens can receive their Welfare.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't really have any idea how TANF works.

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that you don't know how every state handles welfare. In my state their are no limits so long as you are not working and their are children in your home. Lifetime benefits so long as you have a child, regardless of the custody of said child.

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that you don't know how every state handles welfare.

When it comes to lifetime limits on benefits, sure I do, as those are established in federal law:

``(7) No assistance for more than 5 years.--`

`(A) In general.--A State to which a grant is made under section 403 shall not use any part of the grant to provide assistance to a family that includes an adult who has received assistance under any State program funded under this part attributable to funds provided by the Federal Government, for 60 months (whether or not consecutive) after the date the State program funded under this part commences, subject to this paragraph.​

Assuming that your Kansas City is the one on the Missouri side, your state government will say the same thing:

Receipt of cash assistance under Temporary Assistance is restricted to a lifetime limit of five years.

And if you want more detail, you can go into the Missouri Code of Regulations:

13 CSR 40-2.350 Time Limit for Receipt of Temporary Assistance

PURPOSE: This rule establishes a five (5)- year time limit on receipt of Temporary Assistance.

(1) Subject to the exceptions contained in this section, for the purpose of the administration of the Temporary Assistance Program, the Division of Family Services shall not provide or continue to provide assistance to or on behalf of—

(A) A family that includes an adult who has received assistance, whether provided in Missouri or another state or territory, or whether provided before or after the effective date of these rules, for a total of five (5) years (sixty (60) cumulative months, whether or not consecutive); and
(B) For purposes of the administration of subsection (1)(A) of this rule the Division of Family Services shall not count towards the five (5)-year (sixty (60)-month)-limit—

1. Any month of receipt of assistance by an individual when—

A. The individual is participating in a wage supplementation program; or
B. The individual was a minor and not the head-of-household nor married to the head-of-household; and​

2. Any month in which an adult lived in Indian country (as defined in section 1151 of Title 18, United States Code) or in a Native Alaskan Village if at least one thousand (1,000) individuals were living on the reservation or in the village and at least fifty per- cent (50%) of the adults living on the reservation or in the village were not employed.​

(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1)(A) of this rule the Division of Family Services has the option to extend assistance from the Temporary Assistance Pro- gram beyond the five (5)-year limit. The division may, but is not required to, extend such additional assistance to a family only on the basis of—

(A) Hardship; or
(B) The fact that the family includes someone who has been battered, or subject to extreme cruelty based on the fact that the individual has been subjected to—

1. Physical acts that resulted in, or threatened to result in, physical injury to the individual;
2. Sexual abuse;
3. Sexual activity involving a dependent child;
4. Being forced as the caretaker relative of a dependent child to engage in nonconsensual sexual acts or activities;
5. Threats of, or attempts at, physical or sexual abuse;
6. Mental abuse; or 7. Neglect or deprivation of medical care. (C) If the division opts to extend assistance to part of its caseload as permitted under this section, it will only determine whether or not the extension applies to a specific family once an adult in the family has received sixty (60) cumulative months of assistance.​

Missouri plays by the standard federal rules: 5 year lifetime limits, with the clock not ticking during participation in a short term work supplementation program, and the option of exempting up to 20% of the state's caseload for certain reasons (e.g. a battered woman). An adult can't receive lifetime benefits under TANF simply for having a child.

Now, maybe you've got some state-only program that doesn't receive any federal funding and that program offers unlimited benefits, I don't know. But federally-funded public assistance has time limits. TANF has a 60-month lifetime limit.

If I read this correctly, it appears as though an adult CAN receive more than the 60 month time limit, on behalf of the child. The payment time limit made on behalf of the child do not apply toward the child if the child applies for benefits as an adult.

Oh and leaving the door open to extend TANF doesn't shut the 60 month time frame down either.
I can easily see how the system can be abused.

Whewww, hope that didn't come out too convoluted! Reading state or federal law can make one's had spin a bit!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

No one earns welfare...especially no account low life "women" who turn their bodies into baby factories...generating future criminals everyday.

I mean......really?

So you argue that no women have more babies so they can get larger checks...you seriously want to make that argument?

 

[bripat9643]

I pay to educate conservative brats as well.
Hell they even want vouchers for more than they paid in school tax.

The claim that parents don't pay the full cost of schooling their children is the final proof that left-wingers are morons. Since 95% of all people become parents, who is paying for the schooling if not the parents?

 

[007]

Of course it happens, that's not the question. Why not focus on alleviating the poverty, rather than finding ways to isolate it?

It's not isolated here in the more rural areas...only in the cities.

How does one alleviate poverty.

The Democrats controlled the U.S. Senate for 57 of the last 78 years.

The Democrats controlled the U.S. House for 63 of the last 78 years.

What have all the poverty alleviating policies they enacted accomplished?

Poverty is the worst since the Great Depression. Democrats have only made things worse over the years. This really is fact. How'd that Super Majority work out for us?

The leftists like it that way. They have created their dependent, lazy, uneducated voting base, (democrats), that is reliant on keeping them in office so they can continue to get their hand outs, freebies, quotas and welfare, and they want to keep it that way.

Class warfare, the leftists favorite tactic.

 

[bripat9643]

I suspected the reason some folks are still using Reagan-era talking points about "welfare" is that they're not aware that AFDC doesn't even exist anymore. Not exactly up with the times.

80% of federal spending is welfare.

Only libturds think the term "welfare" refers to one very narrowly defined government program

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

do children earn their keep?
And why do I have to pay to educate someone elses children?

Progressives have a hard time comprehending the idea of personal choice.

I pay to educate conservative brats as well.
Hell they even want vouchers for more than they paid in school tax.

School tax?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I say no. But then again I don't consider sitting at home drinking pop and beer while smoking cigarettes and watching the days of our lives work.

people on welfare make many capitalist very wealthy

Yep and create jobs making and selling those cigarettes and pop.

Welfare recipients create jobs making and selling cigarettes and pop? Generalize much?

 

[auditor0007]

In the black-and-white world of Conservatopia, every rich person worked his fingers to the bone to make his way while every recipient of government assistance is a welfare cheat.

No sir. And if you truly believe what youjust said, then you are a victim of listening to way too many far left wing talking heads.

Most rich people work very hard to get where they are. Some sit on their asses and enjoy their inheritances.

Most people on Welfare would give their right arm to get off of it. Some sit on their asses and conjure up ways to enjoy it without having to lift a finger.

That is what conservatives believe.

The two red-fonted words must be swapped.

Sorry, I don't buy the bullshit from the right, but I'm not going to buy this bullshit from the left either.

 

[Cuyo]

No sir. And if you truly believe what youjust said, then you are a victim of listening to way too many far left wing talking heads.

Most rich people work very hard to get where they are. Some sit on their asses and enjoy their inheritances.

Most people on Welfare would give their right arm to get off of it. Some sit on their asses and conjure up ways to enjoy it without having to lift a finger.

That is what conservatives believe.

The two red-fonted words must be swapped.

Sorry, I don't buy the bullshit from the right, but I'm not going to buy this bullshit from the left either.

My claim is statistically accurate, although I did clarify in a later post.

 

[Iridescence]

I say no. But then again I don't consider sitting at home drinking pop and beer while smoking cigarettes and watching the days of our lives work.

From the poor that I've come from many do in fact earn it because of certain circumstances (most political) that has either put them there or has kept them there. Being poor is not always a choice. Granted many do sit and appear to do little with their lives who receive benefits from the system but what of their mental condition? What of the issues that have them defeated? Both spiritually and physically not to mention the emotional trauma that those things make manifest. It isn't a 'snap out of it' kind of thing. There are many things that can help and there are a lot of small things that can make the biggest differences. Time on the computer, perhaps better educating oneself independently and becoming self-sufficient by way of finding what one needs on an individual basis may be all for the best. Sometimes I am amazed at how condescending individuals can be toward those who come from the very same walks of life as they had. Diversity is necessary and can be one of the most healing factors of a land and our land most definitely needs some attention....

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