Do Palestinians Have the Right to Defend Themselves?

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Article 5:

The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian.

Article 6:

The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.​

The Avalon Project The Palestinian National Charter

You're welcome.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Article 5:

The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian.

Article 6:

The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.​

The Avalon Project The Palestinian National Charter

You're welcome.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you are not listening.

...and under the Law of Conquest active in 1918, the captured territory (the area covered by OETA) went to the victors. That customary law was really not set assign until 1945 and the UN Charter granting territorial integrity.​

Then why do UN resolutions say that the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity if they have no territory?

(COMMENT)

The Palestine (defined as the territory to which the Mandate applied) is pre-1945. The State of Palestine (defined by the Declaration of Independence of 1988) is an entirely different place and time. The territorial integrity of today's contemporary Palestine Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967; not the HAMAS or PLO Palestine --- as defined "from the river to the sea, and from north to south," and qualified the "land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right."

Remember, The Palestinians have no borders or demarcations to rely upon. The Israelis do.

Someday when the Palestinians negotiate their sovereignty, they can apply their right of territorial integrity. Everyone has the right to earn a billion dollars if you want. I have that right and you have that right. It just so happens that Warren Buffet has that right. Warren Buffet was smart and hard working and earn an estimated net worth US$70.9 Billion (April 2015). Why do you and I have the right, but not the money. Well we were not as smart as Warren Buffet, or as hard working as Warren Buffet. But if we do ever amass $70 Billion --- we can reach in our back pocket and pull out that right to earn it. The same goes for the Palestinian and their rights. Just because you have a right, doesn't mean you have the object of that right.

Most Respectfully,
R

Remember, The Palestinians have no borders or demarcations to rely upon. The Israelis do.

You have that backwards.

Palestine has international borders.

Israel is defined by armistice lines.

Then you base the rest of your post of false premise.

No, YOU have that wrong. Israel has international boundaries with Egypt and Jordan. That's just a fact. There's no going around that.

"Then you base the rest of your post of false premise"
This is what you post when you have no rebuttal. What exactly did he post that was based on false premise?

Israel claims borders on Palestinian land.

Interesting legal concept.

Again Mandate of Palestine land as there was never a nation of Palestine until 1988.

And we are still waiting for you to post the link that says otherwise. Who made the borders, what person acting on behalf of Palestine signed the papers and where are the treaties

Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, you're in part correct. Now you are "quibbling" (argue or raise objections about a trivial matter) with words --- as opposed to making a valid and worthy contribution. Let's lay this to rest once and for all. This is one of those issues which the Palestinians believe they can force a change over though force and active belligerence. It is at least one of the attitudes that has prevented the Arab Palestinian to see a productive way though negotiations for a lasting peace.

What are the Palestinians trying to change?

I do question your description of the Mandate as "temporary." I believe the better term to apply is "indefinite" (meaning: lasting for an undetermined period or an unstated time). There was Article 22 criteria to be met that the Palestinians declined to engage. Palestine is not capable of standing on its own even today, being parasitic on the donor nations.

When the people could stand alone was a goal oriented termination date.

Of course the British, with its military force, prevented that from happening.

Because the Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration.

It had no land or borders.

(COMMENT)

From 1922 - 1946: Palestine the PLACE was mutually delineated by the Council, the ALLIED POWERS, and the Mandatory as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, hereinafter described as "Palestine."

Afterwards and until 1948, Palestine was delineated as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, less the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

After 1948, Palestine was delineated as the remainder of the territories to which the Former Mandate for Palestine applied, less the combined territory of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and that territory under the sovereign control of Israel. After 15 May 1948 and until 1988, Palestine was defined as a legal entity, not self-governing; with the United Nations Commission for Palestine as the successor for Government of Palestine.

After November 1988, Palestine was re-defined as the sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967; --- as recognized by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated --- as acknowledged by the UN.

NOTE: The West Bank was NOT part of Palestine, either delineated as part of the remainder of the territories to which the Former Mandate for Palestine applied --- or --- as a component of the territory occupied since 1967. During the period April 1950 until July 1988 (and the Disengagement), the West Bank was a sovereign to the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. The West Bank was annexed by the authority of the West Bank Palestinian exercising their right of self-determination.

Most Respectfully,
R

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

What territory were they talking about when according to you there was none.

You need to learn how to read. It says they have THE RIGHT TO territorial integrity.

 

[toastman]

Squirm squirm little worm it will do you no good, you have been busted for what you are.

So produce the link little worm or squirm done your stinking hole.

You're such a dumbass! Are you actually saying the Nazis didn't blame the Jews?

Here's your link, punk-ass...

People frequently ask why the Jews were the target of the Holocaust or why the Holocaust happened. The first is an easy question to answer. Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

Want more?

From a book on Anne Frank...

ur

It's hard to believe some dumbass would actually argue that the Nazis didn't blame the Jews, but you've proven to the world, you are that dumbass!

KEY CONCEPT: Everyone knew from the first that the Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's problems and they wanted the Jews to leave Germany.

You asked for one link, I gave you three.

Worm out...

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Article 5:

The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian.

Article 6:

The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.​

The Avalon Project The Palestinian National Charter

You're welcome.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

 

[P F Tinmore]

Squirm squirm little worm it will do you no good, you have been busted for what you are.

So produce the link little worm or squirm done your stinking hole.

You're such a dumbass! Are you actually saying the Nazis didn't blame the Jews?

Here's your link, punk-ass...

People frequently ask why the Jews were the target of the Holocaust or why the Holocaust happened. The first is an easy question to answer. Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

Want more?

From a book on Anne Frank...

ur

It's hard to believe some dumbass would actually argue that the Nazis didn't blame the Jews, but you've proven to the world, you are that dumbass!

KEY CONCEPT: Everyone knew from the first that the Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's problems and they wanted the Jews to leave Germany.

You asked for one link, I gave you three.

Worm out...

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Article 5:

The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian.

Article 6:

The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.​

The Avalon Project The Palestinian National Charter

You're welcome.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

 

[Hossfly]

Squirm squirm little worm it will do you no good, you have been busted for what you are.

So produce the link little worm or squirm done your stinking hole.

You're such a dumbass! Are you actually saying the Nazis didn't blame the Jews?

Here's your link, punk-ass...

People frequently ask why the Jews were the target of the Holocaust or why the Holocaust happened. The first is an easy question to answer. Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

Want more?

From a book on Anne Frank...

ur

It's hard to believe some dumbass would actually argue that the Nazis didn't blame the Jews, but you've proven to the world, you are that dumbass!

KEY CONCEPT: Everyone knew from the first that the Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's problems and they wanted the Jews to leave Germany.

You asked for one link, I gave you three.

Worm out...

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Article 5:

The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian.

Article 6:

The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.​

The Avalon Project The Palestinian National Charter

You're welcome.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

 

[Coyote]

Squirm squirm little worm it will do you no good, you have been busted for what you are.

So produce the link little worm or squirm done your stinking hole.

You're such a dumbass! Are you actually saying the Nazis didn't blame the Jews?

Here's your link, punk-ass...

People frequently ask why the Jews were the target of the Holocaust or why the Holocaust happened. The first is an easy question to answer. Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

Want more?

From a book on Anne Frank...

ur

It's hard to believe some dumbass would actually argue that the Nazis didn't blame the Jews, but you've proven to the world, you are that dumbass!

KEY CONCEPT: Everyone knew from the first that the Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's problems and they wanted the Jews to leave Germany.

You asked for one link, I gave you three.

Worm out...

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Article 5:

The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian.

Article 6:

The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.​

The Avalon Project The Palestinian National Charter

You're welcome.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"


It sounds like they are hitting military targets.

 

[Hossfly]

Squirm squirm little worm it will do you no good, you have been busted for what you are.

So produce the link little worm or squirm done your stinking hole.

You're such a dumbass! Are you actually saying the Nazis didn't blame the Jews?

Here's your link, punk-ass...

People frequently ask why the Jews were the target of the Holocaust or why the Holocaust happened. The first is an easy question to answer. Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

Want more?

From a book on Anne Frank...

ur

It's hard to believe some dumbass would actually argue that the Nazis didn't blame the Jews, but you've proven to the world, you are that dumbass!

KEY CONCEPT: Everyone knew from the first that the Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's problems and they wanted the Jews to leave Germany.

You asked for one link, I gave you three.

Worm out...

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"


It sounds like they are hitting military targets.

Military targets in Jerusalem? I didn't know that.

 

[Coyote]

You're such a dumbass! Are you actually saying the Nazis didn't blame the Jews?

Here's your link, punk-ass...
Want more?

From a book on Anne Frank...

ur

It's hard to believe some dumbass would actually argue that the Nazis didn't blame the Jews, but you've proven to the world, you are that dumbass!

You asked for one link, I gave you three.

Worm out...

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"


It sounds like they are hitting military targets.

Military targets in Jerusalem? I didn't know that.

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"

Isn't that military?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You have this entirely wrong again.

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

(COMMENT)

Not that the principle applies anyway, but even if it did, a General Assembly Resolution cannot violate the Charter, because the General Assembly Resolution does not take the form of a requirement or action by force. It is a case in which the UN via the General Assembly Resolution made an "offer and acceptance;" under Security Council surveillance to take the necessary measures for implementation. It was not a case of "acquisition of territory by force."

• It offered the Opportunity for the Jewish to establish a Jewish State.
  • And the Jewish Agency had the opportunity to reject the acceptance to the offer without prejudice.
• It offered the Opportunity for the Arab to establish an Arab State.
  • And the Arabs had the opportunity to reject the acceptance to the offer without prejudice.

The regime and protocols of the mandate did not alter the status of the citizens of the territory to which the mandate applied. Neither the Arab or the Jewish population had responsibility for the government or any sovereignty issue.

Finally the concept of "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force" applies to the aggressor and NOT the defender. The external interference was a result of the assault by the Arab countries involved in the invasion. The Armistice between Lebanon and Syria puts the matter in stasis, until a formal peace arrangement is made. The Peace Treaties resolve any action pertaining to the permanent international borders between Israel and the adjacent states of Jordan and Egypt.

It is not the case that Israel is inside Palestine as is often alleged. Quite the contrary.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hossfly]

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo
None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"


It sounds like they are hitting military targets.

Military targets in Jerusalem? I didn't know that.

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"

Isn't that military?

The security could be a watchman at a massage parlor. Why do Palestinians need to attack people in Jerusalem?

 

[Coyote]

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"


It sounds like they are hitting military targets.

Military targets in Jerusalem? I didn't know that.

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"

Isn't that military?

The security could be a watchman at a massage parlor. Why do Palestinians need to attack people in Jerusalem?

The same reason Israeli's attacked British military targets before they were granted Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Squirm squirm little worm it will do you no good, you have been busted for what you are.

So produce the link little worm or squirm done your stinking hole.

You're such a dumbass! Are you actually saying the Nazis didn't blame the Jews?

Here's your link, punk-ass...

People frequently ask why the Jews were the target of the Holocaust or why the Holocaust happened. The first is an easy question to answer. Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

Want more?

From a book on Anne Frank...

ur

It's hard to believe some dumbass would actually argue that the Nazis didn't blame the Jews, but you've proven to the world, you are that dumbass!

KEY CONCEPT: Everyone knew from the first that the Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's problems and they wanted the Jews to leave Germany.

You asked for one link, I gave you three.

Worm out...

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Article 5:

The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian.

Article 6:

The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.​

The Avalon Project The Palestinian National Charter

You're welcome.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

Of course the lying propagandists call attacks on military targets "terrorism."

Well they have to pimp their terrorist propaganda campaign.

 

[Hossfly]

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"


It sounds like they are hitting military targets.

Military targets in Jerusalem? I didn't know that.

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"

Isn't that military?

The security could be a watchman at a massage parlor. Why do Palestinians need to attack people in Jerusalem?

The same reason Israeli's attacked British military targets before they were granted Israel?

There was a shooting war then. Today these people are supposed to be wanting peace. Supposedly.

 

[Coyote]

Squirm squirm little worm it will do you no good, you have been busted for what you are.

So produce the link little worm or squirm done your stinking hole.

You're such a dumbass! Are you actually saying the Nazis didn't blame the Jews?

Here's your link, punk-ass...

People frequently ask why the Jews were the target of the Holocaust or why the Holocaust happened. The first is an easy question to answer. Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

Want more?

From a book on Anne Frank...

ur

It's hard to believe some dumbass would actually argue that the Nazis didn't blame the Jews, but you've proven to the world, you are that dumbass!

KEY CONCEPT: Everyone knew from the first that the Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's problems and they wanted the Jews to leave Germany.

You asked for one link, I gave you three.

Worm out...

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

Of course the lying propagandists call attacks on military targets "terrorism."

Well they have to pimp their terrorist propaganda campaign.

It seems to me that the main distinction made between "freedom fighters" and "terrorists" is the choice of targets. I don't agree with targeting civilians especially children. But this is clearly targeting military members - security forces. In that - what is the difference between what the Palestinians are doing and what the Israeli's did?

 

[Coyote]

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"


It sounds like they are hitting military targets.

Military targets in Jerusalem? I didn't know that.

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"

Isn't that military?

The security could be a watchman at a massage parlor. Why do Palestinians need to attack people in Jerusalem?

The same reason Israeli's attacked British military targets before they were granted Israel?

There was a shooting war then. Today these people are supposed to be wanting peace. Supposedly.

I'm not seeing any difference Hoss. These people want a nation - a homeland. Just like the Jews did.

 

[Hossfly]

Squirm squirm little worm it will do you no good, you have been busted for what you are.

So produce the link little worm or squirm done your stinking hole.

You're such a dumbass! Are you actually saying the Nazis didn't blame the Jews?

Here's your link, punk-ass...

People frequently ask why the Jews were the target of the Holocaust or why the Holocaust happened. The first is an easy question to answer. Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

Want more?

From a book on Anne Frank...

ur

It's hard to believe some dumbass would actually argue that the Nazis didn't blame the Jews, but you've proven to the world, you are that dumbass!

KEY CONCEPT: Everyone knew from the first that the Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's problems and they wanted the Jews to leave Germany.

You asked for one link, I gave you three.

Worm out...

So you're saying the Israelis blame the Palestinian for all the problems in the world ?

Do you realize how stupid your Nazi comparisons are? Get your head out of yo

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

The partition resolution of the General Assembly violates international law in another important respect. It contradicts the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. As Quincy Wright explains in his legal analysis of the Palestine problem, the General Assembly resolution “partitioning Palestine and establishing the state of Israel as demanded by Zionists is difficult to reconcile with this principle. Local hostilities between Zionist and Arab forces deprived the ‘peoples’ in the mandated territory of rights explicitly protected by the Mandate and Article 80 of the Charter without their consent.”[21] Art. 80 (1) – in connection with Art. 77, Par. 1 (a) – of the UN Charter explicitly states that, in regard to a mandated territory, the United Nations provisions on trusteeship must not be interpreted in a way that could “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or peoples” under the regime of a mandate.

As far as the occupation of additional territories in excess of those allocated – though without sufficient authority – by the General Assembly in 1947 is concerned, the universally recognized principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force applies. The general principle of law "ex injuria jus non oritur" is relevant in this context. A claim to a territorial title which originates in an illegal act is invalid. This relates to the Palestinian territories seized in 1948 as well as to those occupied in 1967.[23] Israel’s status in those territories is that of a “belligerent occupant.”

“The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.”

Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

None of this changes the fact that the Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing for Palestine .. You keep posting the same lie over and over and over and over

The Treaty of Lausanne was not supposed to change anything. It merely reiterated customary international law.

Why are you so hot about it?

Hey, Tinmore. That's old news about the Palestinians defending themselves. Here's the new way for them to defend. Looks like things are building up to another ass whupping in Gaza. They must want to hold some more victory parades.


In what may be the beginning of a new wave of terror against Jews, Palestinian terrorists carried out three attacks over the weekend.

By: Aryeh Savir, World Israel News

Mayor Barkat holds the hand of one of the wounded officers as he is evacuated form the scene of the attack. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces in the Jerusalem vicinity over the weekend, just a day after the country celebrated Independence Day.

In the most severe incident, a Palestinian drove his car into a group of police officers on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, moderately wounding a policewoman and lightly wounding two others. The police opened fire on the assailant, but he managed to flee. They launched a manhunt, during which the car used in the attack was recovered, and later the terrorist himself was caught.

The three wounded officers were evacuated to Shaare Zedek hospital in Jerusalem.

Arabs began rioting in the area after the attack, and the unrest spread to other neighborhoods in the capital. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat was on his way to the scene of the attack when Arabs pelted rocks at his car, which was lightly damaged

Jerusalem area rocked by three terror attacks over weekend

Of course the lying propagandists call attacks on military targets "terrorism."

Well they have to pimp their terrorist propaganda campaign.

You're just wasting bandwidth, Tinny Boy. Terror is terror is terror.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne doesn't actually say anything different than what was already enacted. You act like some other higher group wrote the Treaty. The very same people who were instrumental in the drafting of the Treaty of Sevres were the same as those that wrote the Treaty of Lausanne. Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changed any aspect of the Palestine Order in Council or caused the change in the Citizenship Order of 1925.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Article 5:

The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian.

Article 6:

The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.​

The Avalon Project The Palestinian National Charter

You're welcome.

(COMMENT)

FIRST: In fact, the passage in the 1924 Treaty uses spme of the exact same language in the 1922 Order in Council, which came before. Why, because the very same interests wrote both. The Treaty of Lausanne is not the Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine. It is relative to Armenians and Kurds, but not the Palestinians.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SECOND: The The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968, were not law of any sort and even if it were, it was written two decades too late (although it did make me smile). The Palestinian National Charter was written by the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) that elects the Executive Committee (PLO EC).

The Palestinian National Charter Language you cite is what the UNRWA CERI (Consolidate Enrollment Registration Instructions) are derivative of. The PLO, working for the UN in the RWA influenced CERI. That is why it does not match existing IHL.

Remember these are the same people that wrote, in the same document that:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

But as I said, none of this will make a difference in the final analysis. All the remainder of the region will want is power and money. And it is not likely that the Palestinians will be competitive there. And the Levant is a basin of potential wealth. And the Palestinians, the longer they procrastinate and behave in an obstructionist manner, the less likely they will be able to build a thriving and productive nation. No one, event the Arabs, in their right mind want another bunch of barbaric bloodthirsty radicals, jihadist, Islamic Resistance fighters, and fedayeen --- who think they have some special privilege for belligerents, running loose, unsupervised and unrestrained in the Levant; creating even more havoc than ISIS is already.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco et al

I am puzzled by your listing of these points:

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine
• Commando (Feday'ee) action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution.
• The partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time,
• The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.
• The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aimed at the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, or at its internationalization.

Do you believe that these are unusual for a national liberation movement?

The Algiers Charter says much the same things, only in French. Instead of repudiating the Balfour Declaration it repudiates the act making Algeria a "Departemente" (state) of France.

La Charte d Alger

The ANC also adopted violence officially:


"The African National Congress announced its adoption of armed struggle on December 16 1961. It is relevant to quote from the flyer distributed on that day, issued by Umkhonto we Sizwe, announcing that sabotage attacks had been carried out:

"Umkhonto we Sizwe will carry on the struggle for freedom and democracy by new methods, which are necessary to complement the actions of the established national liberation organisations. Umkhonto we Sizwe fully supports the national liberation movement, and our members, jointly and individually, place themselves under the overall political guidance of that movement........ The time comes in the life of any nation when there remain only two choices: submit or fight. That time has now come to South Africa. We shall not submit and we have no choice but to hit back by all means within our power in defence of our people, our future and our freedom.

5. The ANC Stages of Struggle and Policy Foundations 1960-1994 - The O Malley Archives



Why do you hold the Christians and Muslims of Palestine to different standards?

 

[Hossfly]

Military targets in Jerusalem? I didn't know that.

"Palestinians committed three terror attacks against Israeli security forces"

Isn't that military?

The security could be a watchman at a massage parlor. Why do Palestinians need to attack people in Jerusalem?

The same reason Israeli's attacked British military targets before they were granted Israel?

There was a shooting war then. Today these people are supposed to be wanting peace. Supposedly.

I'm not seeing any difference Hoss. These people want a nation - a homeland. Just like the Jews did.

They keep refusing a nation. Because they would have to recognize Israel if they accepted.