Do only Christians go to heaven?

[nicoleivy5]

Are Christians the only ones accepted into heaven? - Interesting read (includes Bible verses)
"Classical evangelical doctrine holds that salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ, and that those without such faith will be condemned to hell. A number of texts are typically cited in support of this position."

So a good person who is an atheist goes to hell, but a Christian who commits crimes and murders people can go to heaven?
Please discuss. Is accepting Jesus Christ the only way to go to Heaven?

 

[The Great Goose]

Only Catholics and you must be born one.

 

[nicoleivy5]

Only Catholics and you must be born one.

I was not born Catholic. Will I go to hell

 

[Andylusion]

Are Christians the only ones accepted into heaven? - Interesting read (includes Bible verses)
"Classical evangelical doctrine holds that salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ, and that those without such faith will be condemned to hell. A number of texts are typically cited in support of this position."

So a good person who is an atheist goes to hell, but a Christian who commits crimes and murders people can go to heaven?
Please discuss. Is accepting Jesus Christ the only way to go to Heaven?

The problem is, 'good person'. Comparatively to whom, are we saying 'good person'?

The fact is, the best of people, is still sinful. Everyone is sinful. Everyone has failed to be good.

We a limited of judgement on what is good, based on what we can see. And people hide who they are, and what they have done. The fact is, there are no truly good people. G-d judges the heart, and can see what we can not.

This is also equally true of Christians. A Christian who has done something wrong, is similarly, impossible for us to see the heart. And the Heart is what G-d judges.

What determines if someone is a Christian, is not if they say "I'm a Christian". Rather, it is whether they follow the teachings of the Bible. More specifically whether they accept they are sinners, and have an evil heart, and repent of their ways, and accept Jesus to save them. That's what savior means.

So can a Christian who has murdered and committed evil acts, be saved, and go to Heaven? Yes, of course. If they repent. If they accept they are evil, and have done wrong. If they submit to Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Can a "good person" who is Atheist be refused Heaven? Sure. If that's what they want. If they don't want to believe in G-d, then you will be separated from G-d.

Heaven is, among other things, an eternity with G-d. If you don't want to be with G-d, and reject his existence, and don't want to have anything to do with him... G-d is not going to force you. You wi'll be allowed to stay out of Heaven, separated from G-d for eternity.

I believe that the final judgement, will be completely fair, and right. If you somehow manage to do nothing significantly wrong, you won't be judges for those things. G-d will not punish you for murder, when you didn't commit murder. But for whatever you do, you will be judged accordingly.

The difference for the Christian, is that Jesus paid that penalty for us. Not because we're better, or worse. But because Jesus loves his people, and accepted that punishment, so we didn't have to. And everyone is offered the option to be his people, by accepting him as Lord.

If anyone refuses, then their desires to not be part of the family of G-d will be honored. G-d will not force you to be part of his family, and accepting forgiveness. And without Jesus taking your punishment for you, then you must accept the punishment yourself.

 

[midcan5]

Native Americans, Africans of Garden of Eden descent, Asians and others such as Polynesians have petitioned God on the basis there are a lot more of them than Christians that they be given first dibs on prime land and position in Heaven. Right now Lucifer and God are appealing to their really supreme court on a ruling. Given the numbers, Christians may find themselves in the nether lands. Dead Christians are asking the dying for support. Fox news will let you all know how the court rules as soon as they get done blaming Hillary for all the ills in the world. More to follow stay tuned.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No one goes to heaven because it doesn't exist

 

[GLASNOST]

Do only Christians go to heaven?

According to Christians .... yes. According to everyone else ..... no.

 

[The Great Goose]

Only Catholics and you must be born one.

I was not born Catholic. Will I go to hell

Yes and so will many Catholics.

 

[GLASNOST]

I was not born Catholic. Will I go to hell

Yes and so will many Catholics.

Priests in particular.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... ya s'posed to believe onna Jesus...

... to get in Heaven."

(Repent, oh repent all ye Bible-hatin', lefty lib'ral, yankee media types an' jihadis!)

 

[HaShev]

Are Christians the only ones accepted into heaven? - Interesting read (includes Bible verses)
"Classical evangelical doctrine holds that salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ, and that those without such faith will be condemned to hell. A number of texts are typically cited in support of this position."

So a good person who is an atheist goes to hell, but a Christian who commits crimes and murders people can go to heaven?
Please discuss. Is accepting Jesus Christ the only way to go to Heaven?

Proving they worship another God since going through YHWH is not good enough.
Of course the term ONLY BEGOTTEN SON is proof of this because In Psalms David is God's begotten thus Jesus can't be the
Only begotten unless they admit his father is Baal, who's only begotten is the
morning star
(admission found in Rev 22:16)

 

[Penelope]

Only Catholics and you must be born one.

We will have our own heaven, which means we will not have to sit and listen to sermons for hours , we'll worship, say a few prayers, and then have our meal and leave.

 

[aris2chat]

In theory, all those who are or moral character or d good deeds and are good in life will go to heaven.
In the end times all those in hell will be raised and go to heaven.
For jews, most are in shoal, a waiting of sort, till they enter heaven, and in the end time all will raise and go to heaven, those in Jerusalem/Israel first.
In Islam:>>Al-Baqarah, verse 62 says the following: "Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - Those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."<<

 

[Andylusion]

No one goes to heaven because it doesn't exist

Prove it?

 

[AVG-JOE]

Every religion needs to believe that theirs is the only way.

It's the only way to justify the cost of being faithful to any particular dogma or ideology.

 

[Campbell]

Are Christians the only ones accepted into heaven? - Interesting read (includes Bible verses)
"Classical evangelical doctrine holds that salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ, and that those without such faith will be condemned to hell. A number of texts are typically cited in support of this position."

So a good person who is an atheist goes to hell, but a Christian who commits crimes and murders people can go to heaven?
Please discuss. Is accepting Jesus Christ the only way to go to Heaven?

Receive Hey Zeus as your personal savior then be sure you ask forgiveness each time you sin. What a crock of shit!

 

[Andylusion]

Every religion needs to believe that theirs is the only way.

It's the only way to justify the cost of being faithful to any particular dogma or ideology.

That's actually not true.

There are in fact numerous faiths that do not believe that only their followers will meet a different end than the rest of the non-believers.

For example, some believe in reincarnation, where you come back to right the wrongs of the past. Many believe that everyone will come back, whether you are part of their faith or not.

Another well known faith, believes that everyone will be judged by g-d at their death, and some will go to Heaven and others Hell, but this isn't determined by faith. So some who don't know anything about this particular faith, will go to Heaven, and those that are of the faith, and practice it religiously will go to Hell.

No one knows, whether they are orthodox believers or complete atheist, where they are going. There's no way to know, until you get there.

Yet there are other cults, that believe that everyone is going to Heaven, it only depends on how long it takes you to get there. They believe that there are different levels of Heaven, or that there is a time-out-box place that people have to go, to in a simplistic version, work their way up to the highest level. How bad you are, determines how long it takes, but everyone is going.

So Hitler and Mother Teresa, are both going to Heaven, only it's going to take Hitler another 3000 years, and Teresa likely just stopped by for 15 seconds, and got back on the elevator up.

Then you have yet another major religion which doesn't have any orthodox belief system, and you are part of the faith, whether you believe or not. If you are born there, or if you die there, you are magically part of the faith no matter what you believe.

Biblical Christianity, and Judaism, is one of only a few belief systems in the world, where they start from the premise that all human kind is flawed, and we are all internally evil, and have done wrong things that separate us from G-d. But G-d gave us a way to escape this separation, by having the debt of the crimes paid for, by someone else who is Jesus the Christ.

But of course, being told that all humanity is inherently evil and flawed, is horribly offensive. This is why you can see university professors openly tell people to be hostile and mocking towards Christians under the guise of "all religions are phony", yet turn right around and openly invite Hindus and Islamic people on the staff of their universities.

Jesus is more offensive than any cult around the world, because all the rest say:
"yes you screwed up but do these three things, and you are fine"
"Yes that was a mistake, but it was an evil spirit that caused you to do it"
"Yes that was a bad move, but you'll fix it when you come back"
"Yes maybe that was a mistake, but as long as you help a little old lady, and give a homeless person a dollar, it cancels each other out"

Christianity is the faith that says "Yes you did evil. It was evil, and you are the cause of that evil, and you have no excuse. You can't earn your way out, you can't balance the scales, you can't fix it, but if you repent, and turn back to the Lord, he will forgive you."

People hate that. Why do you think after the "god is dead" 1970s, that all of a sudden everyone became a victim, and everyone had someone to blame? Nothing was anyone's fault anymore. It's not their fault they got shot, just because they had a gun, and refused to drop it when police showed up... no no it's societies fault. It's racism fault. It's the fault of H-B1 visas that I lost my job. It's discrimination that my pay is lower.

As soon as the people of America turned away from the faith that said "Evil is your fault, and you have no excuse"... now everyone has an excuse for everything.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No one goes to heaven because it doesn't exist

Prove it?

You haven't proven there is a heaven so you first

 

[nicoleivy5]

Every religion needs to believe that theirs is the only way.

It's the only way to justify the cost of being faithful to any particular dogma or ideology.

That's actually not true.

There are in fact numerous faiths that do not believe that only their followers will meet a different end than the rest of the non-believers.

For example, some believe in reincarnation, where you come back to right the wrongs of the past. Many believe that everyone will come back, whether you are part of their faith or not.

Another well known faith, believes that everyone will be judged by g-d at their death, and some will go to Heaven and others Hell, but this isn't determined by faith. So some who don't know anything about this particular faith, will go to Heaven, and those that are of the faith, and practice it religiously will go to Hell.

No one knows, whether they are orthodox believers or complete atheist, where they are going. There's no way to know, until you get there.

Yet there are other cults, that believe that everyone is going to Heaven, it only depends on how long it takes you to get there. They believe that there are different levels of Heaven, or that there is a time-out-box place that people have to go, to in a simplistic version, work their way up to the highest level. How bad you are, determines how long it takes, but everyone is going.

So Hitler and Mother Teresa, are both going to Heaven, only it's going to take Hitler another 3000 years, and Teresa likely just stopped by for 15 seconds, and got back on the elevator up.

Then you have yet another major religion which doesn't have any orthodox belief system, and you are part of the faith, whether you believe or not. If you are born there, or if you die there, you are magically part of the faith no matter what you believe.

Biblical Christianity, and Judaism, is one of only a few belief systems in the world, where they start from the premise that all human kind is flawed, and we are all internally evil, and have done wrong things that separate us from G-d. But G-d gave us a way to escape this separation, by having the debt of the crimes paid for, by someone else who is Jesus the Christ.

But of course, being told that all humanity is inherently evil and flawed, is horribly offensive. This is why you can see university professors openly tell people to be hostile and mocking towards Christians under the guise of "all religions are phony", yet turn right around and openly invite Hindus and Islamic people on the staff of their universities.

Jesus is more offensive than any cult around the world, because all the rest say:
"yes you screwed up but do these three things, and you are fine"
"Yes that was a mistake, but it was an evil spirit that caused you to do it"
"Yes that was a bad move, but you'll fix it when you come back"
"Yes maybe that was a mistake, but as long as you help a little old lady, and give a homeless person a dollar, it cancels each other out"

Christianity is the faith that says "Yes you did evil. It was evil, and you are the cause of that evil, and you have no excuse. You can't earn your way out, you can't balance the scales, you can't fix it, but if you repent, and turn back to the Lord, he will forgive you."

People hate that. Why do you think after the "god is dead" 1970s, that all of a sudden everyone became a victim, and everyone had someone to blame? Nothing was anyone's fault anymore. It's not their fault they got shot, just because they had a gun, and refused to drop it when police showed up... no no it's societies fault. It's racism fault. It's the fault of H-B1 visas that I lost my job. It's discrimination that my pay is lower.

As soon as the people of America turned away from the faith that said "Evil is your fault, and you have no excuse"... now everyone has an excuse for everything.

agreed good post

 

[Andylusion]

No one goes to heaven because it doesn't exist

Prove it?

You haven't proven there is a heaven so you first

Between the two of us, which openly has a belief system of faith?

I'm not standing around trying to claim that I can empirically prove the existence of Heaven, because my belief system is based on faith.

You on the other hand are saying that there is no Heaven, as if it is a provable fact. If it is, then do so.

If you can't, and you are taking it on faith alone that there is no Heaven, which means your view is no more or less valid, than my own view.