Do Libertarians support pit bull and chicken fighting?

[The Rabbi]

It is the Narco-libertarian dodge: They aren't for torturing animals but they don't want laws that would prevent or punish it.

 

[Ravi]

True. The issue is your argument and it's a fairly commonly used tactic. A person with idology x cheats on their spouse, which then becomes an indictiment of the ideology as oppossed to a character flaw of the individual. It's really quite lame.

Well then, what exactly do you mean by stewardship of the environment (I think you are the one that brought this up)?

Requiring oil companies to drill relief wells along with the main well?
Requiring people to cut down on light pollution during turtle nesting season?
Outlawing DDT?
Outlawing force-feeding cows corn?

Those are all under "stewardship" and if you object to those why would you object to cock fights and dog fights?

Because they encompass different realms. The OP presumed that propery rights are sacrisanct and that whatever a peson owns, no mater what it is, he/she can do with as they please. I again still think that is a premise that needs some further testing.

I did bring up the stewardship idea becuase i would consider animals part of the environment. Admittedly I'm not up on the official libertarian stance on that, maybe there isn't one or maybe I don't care. My instinct tells me though that libertarians are probably not for raping and pillaging the environment and the animals contained therein.

Fair enough. I'm not so sure, though.

 

[manifold]

They[libertarians] aren't for torturing animals but they don't want laws that would prevent or punish it.

Bullshit.

 

[The Rabbi]

They[libertarians] aren't for torturing animals but they don't want laws that would prevent or punish it.

Bullshit.

So narco libertarians are in favor of torturing animals? Is that what you mean to say?

 

[Modbert]

True. The issue is your argument and it's a fairly commonly used tactic. A person with idology x cheats on their spouse, which then becomes an indictiment of the ideology as oppossed to a character flaw of the individual. It's really quite lame.

Though it is certainly hilarious when all those "family values" Republicans turn out to be screwing a mistress or even better, another guy while proclaiming how wrong Homosexuality is.

 

[manifold]

So narco libertarians are in favor of torturing animals? Is that what you mean to say?

I've never heard of narco libertarians. In fact i'm pretty sure you made it up.

But libertarians are not in favor of torturing animals. And it's pretty idiotic to suggest that they are.

 

[JimH52]

I have come to the conclusion that Libertarians hold beliefs that are diametrically opposed to each other.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I have come to the conclusion that Libertarians hold beliefs that are diametrically opposed to each other.

I have come to the conclusion that you know very little about libertarians or our beliefs.

 

[The Rabbi]

So narco libertarians are in favor of torturing animals? Is that what you mean to say?

I've never heard of narco libertarians. In fact i'm pretty sure you made it up.

But libertarians are not in favor of torturing animals. And it's pretty idiotic to suggest that they are.

So they are in favor of rules restricting how one can use his animal?

 

[midcan5]

Learn about libertarianism.

Why I Am Not a Libertarian
Why is libertarianism wrong?
Critiques Of Libertarianism: So You Want To Discuss Libertarianism....
The American Conservative -- Marxism of the Right

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Now that Michael Vick is out of prison, perhaps we can have a conversation as to why he was arrested in the first place. I take the position that animals are private property and that as long as Michael Vick peaceably acquired the dogs, it's nobody's right to tell him what he can and cannot do with his possessions.

Defending the Undefendable: Michael Vick, Dog Killer by Todd Steinberg

 

[The Rabbi]

Yup.
Did I not predict that as the narco-libertarian response or what?
Kill, baby, kill.

 

[Ravi]

Now that Michael Vick is out of prison, perhaps we can have a conversation as to why he was arrested in the first place. I take the position that animals are private property and that as long as Michael Vick peaceably acquired the dogs, it's nobody's right to tell him what he can and cannot do with his possessions.

Defending the Undefendable: Michael Vick, Dog Killer by Todd Steinberg

Thanks for being honest.

 

[kwc57]

So narco libertarians are in favor of torturing animals? Is that what you mean to say?

I've never heard of narco libertarians. In fact i'm pretty sure you made it up.

But libertarians are not in favor of torturing animals. And it's pretty idiotic to suggest that they are.

He did make it up. He is a socialist-conservative who wants big gubmint to control what you put in your body.

 

[uscitizen]

So narco libertarians are in favor of torturing animals? Is that what you mean to say?

I've never heard of narco libertarians. In fact i'm pretty sure you made it up.

But libertarians are not in favor of torturing animals. And it's pretty idiotic to suggest that they are.

they are however against laws punishing those who torture animals.

 

[kwc57]

So narco libertarians are in favor of torturing animals? Is that what you mean to say?

I've never heard of narco libertarians. In fact i'm pretty sure you made it up.

But libertarians are not in favor of torturing animals. And it's pretty idiotic to suggest that they are.

they are however against laws punishing those who torture animals.

Prove it. Give us some written examples.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

There both disgusting.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Now that Michael Vick is out of prison, perhaps we can have a conversation as to why he was arrested in the first place. I take the position that animals are private property and that as long as Michael Vick peaceably acquired the dogs, it's nobody's right to tell him what he can and cannot do with his possessions.

Defending the Undefendable: Michael Vick, Dog Killer by Todd Steinberg

Thanks for being honest.

So you think the other libertarians are being dishonest about their views in this thread?

 

[HUGGY]

Dishonest? Ya in the sense that they fall short of admitting that they are selfish and short sighted. Dishonest that they know some projects take the full participation of americans even for our very survival but stupidly lay claim to their ideoligy over the good and preservation of us all. If they were honest they would stop using public services such as water and sewer and fire and police and refuse to pay taxes. They could just telephone their non-libertarian friends to log on to the internet and bitch for them because of course this is a shared funtion of our society.

 

[Bern80]

Dishonest? Ya in the sense that they fall short of admitting that they are selfish and short sighted. Dishonest that they know some projects take the full participation of americans even for our very survival but stupidly lay claim to their ideoligy over the good and preservation of us all. If they were honest they would stop using public services such as water and sewer and fire and police and refuse to pay taxes. They could just telephone their non-libertarian friends to log on to the internet and bitch for them because of course this is a shared funtion of our society.

The only one here being dishonest here is you. Just because libertarians think taxes are too high does not mean they are for no taxes. Just because they want a more limited government, doesn't mean they think there is no role for government in society.