Do Conservatives Fan The Flames Of Poverty?

I don't include food in the national security list. Let the states who still tax for their local needs figure that one out.

I want control of
1.Water
2.Power
3.Energy
4.Transportation
5.Oil
6.military
7.All entry points

And all of these are dependent on citizens voluntarily funding them. If you don't want water and the Military, you don't fund them. So the National Security list is up to Americans to control as individuals from their pocket books. But control still remains with the federal government, even if not funded. A state cannot take over the military or water.

I added housing to the list. Some sort of housing to take people out of the elements, not tract houses.



Hammurbi (1750 BC). Just the idea that all human beings are entitled to their dignity. Some items are for military reasons, such as oil, and only oil on federal land, your land.




The president & Congress continue to legislate, but the power $$$$ is money, they lack the ability to act without the people. If you president wants to start a war, he has to come directly to you and ask for money to raise an Army. You decide if you fund his war with your ATM card. Whatever you fund, cannot be put in any slush-fund. It must be used for your intended purpose. If it is not used in six months, it is refunded into your ATM account, meaning, there was not enough enthused people to go to war.

Furthermore, by this token, would you be for paying into social security being optional in the real world?

If I have compassion for seniors who served America, probably. You have to remember, by eliminating the IRS & DC, you will have more money than you know what to do with, and you can afford to be charitable if you wish. You have eliminated foreign aid, Israel, air bases, military, welfare, etc. Plus you have completely deregulated, which lowers the price on produce, etc. You will have gasoline for a $1.00 a gallon. Farmers & citizens should have next to nothing in energy bills. We make an electric highway (glass highway) for 100-200+ mph computerized travel, no accidents, no adverse environment (dust, rain, hail, snow, nada) . 300 nuclear plants coupled to the grid & 300 desaltination units pumping fresh water inland to create more farm lands and communities in deserts. Which means more jobs and less poverty for a whole lot of people. No controls on corporations, they either survive or they fail and someone comes along to replace them.

"Raise an Army?"

Who defends us until the need for an Army is on the news?
 
"Raise an Army?"

Who defends us until the need for an Army is on the news?

You are the $$$Power$$$ of government to fund what you chose. If you want to fund a standing military, you can fund it. If your President & you want to go to war, You can fund it. No one can stop you from funding the military.
 
You and your ilk are not talking pitching in... you are talking forced redistribution at the hands of government for your feelings of charity... generous when it comes to the monies of others

See what I mean, the tire is flat, so you bitch about the delay. You don't take off the hubcap, or lug nuts, or flat tire, etc. You want to wait until the job is done by others, and then want to be the first to hop back in the car. I pity you............LO! They next time they call a war, be in the front of the fucking line.

I have been. you ignorant fuck... I, as well as many others on here who oppose your shit, are war veterans

I am not complaining about degrees of leak... I don't wait for something to be done by others, that is your liberal or progressive waiting for GOVERNMENT to do it for them at the expense of another... I am complaining about forced redistribution over voluntary and willful charity

Epic fail, troll
 
all that sounds nice in theory, and i appreciate civility coming out of you for once...there are a few problems.The problem is there are no restraints. You say the people have the power, but how? The people have a voice but they do not have the tools. The government will forsake this, and move on their own in claim they are working for the people, because the people are just a mass that needs to be controlled and dictated.

Power = $$$ Without cash DC will have to shut down. No writing blank checks. The legislature & the President LOSE the ability to spend. That shifts directly to you and your ATM card. They go about business wrting laws and legislation, BUT the cannot fund it. They have to stick the legislation on the Internet & media sources, HR 10, then you read the bill to fix the lights on the Capital building, X-Amount needed. And you say, yeah I like that, I will kick in a hundred to brighten up the place. You go to local Federal machine, punch in HR 10, insert your ATM card and send them a $100 on HR 10. If they get the x-Amount donated within 6 months, they get the light fix. If not, they send you back your $100 dollars to your account.

Without an IRS, all federal collections & taxes cease. You fund whatever legislation you feel like funding.

The reason government won't take control, is because you are going to control government before setting the plan in motion. You have to open the constitution by convention. That requires loyalists of the AVG Party to have majority in the states and congress. They will be voted in, because they are going to work for free, and exist by our donations. Once the AVG plan is working, congressmen will no longer be funded, and will survive by donations. That will raise the patriotism of those that serve us.


You are describing a system that has been tried many times in many parts of the world and has failed catastrophically each time...im sorry man but it just doesn't work, no matter how nice it sounds its not practical...on top of it all...who pays for it if 80% of the economy is controlled by government? That is the big question.

Actually, there is only one country I know of that uses it, that is no taxes, and they survive ok. Government will never reach 80%. It will only reach what is voluntarily funded. Everything else like National forests and stuff will shut down if they are not funded.

I tell you why I think it will work. Because I hear thousands of Americans saying, "Why do I have to pay for X?" OK, this way they don't have to pay for X, or anything else they don't like. They like riding on the glass highway doing 200+ to work with a coffee cup in hand and their news paper, they will be able to fund it along with other like thinkers.

It is not a scary as it sounds. You will be paying far less, and will think more about your government, and be involved more, taking your responsibility to heart. We tried to let fat cats run it for us, and they have failed, failed failed. So we run it ourselves.

Here is a link to the AVG Party blog I started. I mentioned I do not want any part of runing anything or anybody. The idea needs leaders like Ron Paul if he will take the leap.

All Volunteer Government Party (AVGP)

hmm its like a weird type of libertarianism...ill have to look up this AVG youre a part of just to be more aware of it. i still think it sound impractical but appreciate you taking the time to explain it.
 
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Hitting your crack ball early tonight. You did get my answer, correct? Maybe you are having flashbacks. I haven't denied I lean socialist on most things, especially when it comes to humanity. I do want partial government control, that being all National Security items needed to protect Americans. I could give a shit about control by me, I want you to take responsibility for yourself and your country. Where does that leave you pussy?:lol:

Wow an actual honest response, minus the insults. to answer your question I am a pure blood 100% libertarian. freedom for the individual, and very small limited government are what harasses the potential of the human being, in my opinion.
now then...

So, where would you draw the line then?

Would you say that government should provide food to the masses as well?

I don't include food in the national security list. Let the states who still tax for their local needs figure that one out.

I want control of
1.Water
2.Power
3.Energy
4.Transportation
5.Oil
6.military
7.All entry points
8.Housing

And all of these are dependent on citizens voluntarily funding them. If you don't want water and the Military, you don't fund them. So the National Security list is up to Americans to control as individuals from their pocket books. But control still remains with the federal government, even if not funded. A state cannot take over the military or water.

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So, you're saying that Government should be dependent on citizens voluntarily funding them.

How does the idea of electing citizen representatives meet in one place on occasion, then deciding whether or not to fund government grab you?
 
"Raise an Army?"

Who defends us until the need for an Army is on the news?

You are the $$$Power$$$ of government to fund what you chose. If you want to fund a standing military, you can fund it. If your President & you want to go to war, You can fund it. No one can stop you from funding the military.

I don't think this al-la carte option would work out well for you, but I'd be fine with it.
 
"Raise an Army?"

Who defends us until the need for an Army is on the news?

You are the $$$Power$$$ of government to fund what you chose. If you want to fund a standing military, you can fund it. If your President & you want to go to war, You can fund it. No one can stop you from funding the military.

I don't think this al-la carte option would work out well for you, but I'd be fine with it.

It would make an interesting academic question, that I feel certain some pointy headed prof has floated in an online survey......

What if your W-4 included a list of 100 Government Departments toward which you wanted your taxes spent. You just fill in a blank with %, so if I wanted 100% of my personal income tax to go toward the Dept of Defense, it would.

Another employee may want only 50% to go toward the DoD, and 20% to Interior, and 30% to the Department of Erotic OctoArt.....

...and so forth, and so on.....etc., etc.
 
Approx number of black Americans in this country -> 25 million

Approx percentage of black Americans living in poverty -> 24%

Approx number of Americans living in Poverty -> 36 million

What that says is that many more Americans live in poverty than the entire number of blacks in this country.

thank the democrat poverty pimps and LBJ for that.
Thank the systematic destruction of the nuclear family due to the war on poverty.
thank entitlements that promote sloth instead of responsibility.

You know what the cause of those numbers are (if true, you didnt give a link)...and the cause is left wing ideology and the liberal poverty pimps.

You and your ilk are not just part of the problem, you are the problem.
Support and advocate responsibility and you will see more successful people.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX864fXR1A0]YouTube - Black Conservatives Blast Al Sharpton Protesters in DC 8/28[/ame]

Democratic solutions:

Training and education.

Republican solutions:

Starve them or they'll "BREED".
 
Approx number of black Americans in this country -> 25 million

Approx percentage of black Americans living in poverty -> 24%

Approx number of Americans living in Poverty -> 36 million

What that says is that many more Americans live in poverty than the entire number of blacks in this country.

thank the democrat poverty pimps and LBJ for that.
Thank the systematic destruction of the nuclear family due to the war on poverty.
thank entitlements that promote sloth instead of responsibility.

You know what the cause of those numbers are (if true, you didnt give a link)...and the cause is left wing ideology and the liberal poverty pimps.

You and your ilk are not just part of the problem, you are the problem.
Support and advocate responsibility and you will see more successful people.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX864fXR1A0]YouTube - Black Conservatives Blast Al Sharpton Protesters in DC 8/28[/ame]

Democratic solutions:

Training and education.

Republican solutions:

Starve them or they'll "BREED".

lol you remind me of my nephew when he was like...4 in that you love making stuff up. :)
 
Main causes of poverty:

*Depression/Mental illness,
*No job.
*Bad wages.

Current government policy (robin hood tax system):

*Ignore the depressed/people with a mental illness.
*Throw money at poor people and hope they go away (handouts).
*Offer the poor government subsidized jobs (which drag the economy down).

Result:

*Less poverty (but it remains)
*Increasing (and unsustainable) social welfare costs like in Japan, France/Western Europe.
*Inefficient economy.
*More crime because of hopelessness linked to welfare dependency (most criminals are unemployed).

Better alternative:
*Send the depressed/people with a mental illness to get help i.e. so they can rejoin the work force and don't go around committing crime or becoming terrorists.
*Voluntary taxation (you only pay tax for the government services you use).
*Steer education towards getting people jobs.
*Reputation index as an incentive for good working conditions (consumers and employees rate companies performance and how they treat their workforce). So companies that give their employees poor wages and run the company badly get penalized on the share-market and in the community (bad reputation means business i.e. consumers run away from them).
*Public list of the unemployed distributed to businesses (with their skills, former occupations,etc).
*Set up non for profit organizations to work with government and businesses to create jobs.
 
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Main causes of poverty:

*Depression/Mental illness,
*No job.
*Bad wages.

Current government policy (robin hood tax system):

*Ignore the depressed/people with a mental illness.
*Throw money at poor people and hope they go away (handouts).
*Offer the poor government subsidized jobs (which drag the economy down).

Result:

*Less poverty (but it remains)
*Increasing (and unsustainable) social welfare costs like in Japan, France/Western Europe.
*Inefficient economy.
*More crime because of hopelessness linked to welfare dependency (most criminals are unemployed).

Better alternative:
*Send the depressed/people with a mental illness to get help i.e. so they can rejoin the work force and don't go around committing crime or becoming terrorists.
*Voluntary taxation (you only pay tax for the government services you use).
*Steer education towards getting people jobs.
*Reputation index as an incentive for good working conditions (consumers and employees rate companies performance and how they treat their workforce). So companies that give their employees poor wages and run the company badly get penalized on the share-market (bad reputation means business runs away from them).


Or, we could send all the poor to New Zealand.

Fresh air and sheering sheep do wonders to heal Melancholia.
 
Main causes of poverty:

*Depression/Mental illness,
*No job.
*Bad wages.

Current government policy (robin hood tax system):

*Ignore the depressed/people with a mental illness.
*Throw money at poor people and hope they go away (handouts).
*Offer the poor government subsidized jobs (which drag the economy down).

Result:

*Less poverty (but it remains)
*Increasing (and unsustainable) social welfare costs like in Japan, France/Western Europe.
*Inefficient economy.
*More crime because of hopelessness linked to welfare dependency (most criminals are unemployed).

Better alternative:
*Send the depressed/people with a mental illness to get help i.e. so they can rejoin the work force and don't go around committing crime or becoming terrorists.
*Voluntary taxation (you only pay tax for the government services you use).
*Steer education towards getting people jobs.
*Reputation index as an incentive for good working conditions (consumers and employees rate companies performance and how they treat their workforce). So companies that give their employees poor wages and run the company badly get penalized on the share-market (bad reputation means business runs away from them).


Or, we could send all the poor to New Zealand.

Fresh air and sheering sheep do wonders to heal Melancholia.
Timaru Multi-Ethnic Council claims migrant abuse still exists

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By Graeme Stilwell on Mon, 17 Aug 2009News: Farming | Migrant Workers

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Timaru Multi-Ethnic Council executive member Kate Elsen (left) says the abuse of migrant workers on farms is still going on and presents a social responsibility for everyone. Mrs Elsen is pictured with council vice chairperson Kate Wright, also of Timaru. Photo by Graeme Stilwell.

Timaru Multi-Ethnic Council publicity officer Kate Elsen claims abuse of migrants is an ongoing issue on some Mid Canterbury farms. She claims assertions that the New Zealand dairy industry is desperately short of workers mask the real reason migrant workers are in demand here - cheap labour and unofficial rates well below the minimum adult wage traded off against opportunities to be in this country.
Now that tougher times have reduced job opportunities, any unchanged demand for migrants would be viewed cynically by organisations established to protect migrants' rights, she said.
"Why can't New Zealanders be employed? Simple.
"New Zealanders would be more outspoken about terms and conditions on some of these farms," Mrs Elsen, of Timaru, said.
"And if there are so many unemployed New Zealanders, as we are told by some politicians, and we see these lovely ads on television about dairying careers being an opportunity to grow, gain qualifications and be part of an exciting career, why are they not being taken up by New Zealanders? Mrs Elsen believes it is probably only a minority of farms where abuse is allegedly occurring, but does not believe the feelings of some in the industry who say the issue today is nowhere near the concerns of a couple of years ago.
"I don't believe it.
"It would be a miracle if the issues of two years ago had suddenly disappeared.
"I believe there are still cases where a farmer has worked an under-the-table arrangement playing on the fact the some migrant workers are so desperate to stay here and ultimately gain residency they are prepared to put up with sub-standard working conditions to achieve that. "New Zealand farmers need to get into the real world and pay real wages, but the only way they are going to be held to account for that is by employing New Zealand workers," Mrs Elsen said.
"In my eyes, they are no different to the New Zealand industries that send their manufacturing work offshore to China to find cheap labour."
Mrs Elsen says the alleged abuse of migrant workers on farms presents a social responsibility for everyone.
"Farms have many visitors.
"There are family visits, business calls by farm industry representatives, stock agents, stock truck drivers, vets, school bus drivers, etc.
"Sub-standard accommodation and tough living conditions are not hard to spot, she said.
"Broken windows on out-buildings, people who are cold, children that have to walk miles to get to a school bus, children being left to walk unprotected along busy highways and without hazard clothing, wives of migrant workers who seem afraid to speak and shy away from contact are signs."
They could do this anonymously and in complete confidence, she said.
The role of the community and the effectiveness of intervention was demonstrated by a 2007 Mid Canterbury case in which she had been involved.
By chance, she had shared a north-bound bus ride with a Filipino worker.
She said the man was treated rudely by the bus driver in relation to his bus fare.
She became involved, paid the man's fare, and kept in touch with the worker.
"When I learned that he was cold and unhappy, I loaded my 4WD with blankets, jackets, coats, food and toys and as much as I could cram into my car that day.
"As I approached his house on the Mid Canterbury farm he was employed on, he ran out and asked me to hide my vehicle from the farm manager.
"I remember seeing a cracked window with a sheet over it.
"It had been broken for months.
"I found a totally inadequately equipped kitchen and one chair for what would later be a family of four.
"Bedding and clothing was sparse.
"The Filipino man was very shy and very frightened of rocking the boat."

Timaru Multi-Ethnic Council claims migrant abuse still exists | Otago Daily Times Online News Keep Up to Date Local, National New Zealand & International News


Wouldn't be so sure. :lol:
 
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Timaru Multi-Ethnic Council publicity officer Kate Elsen claims abuse of migrants is an ongoing issue on some Mid Canterbury farms. She claims assertions that the New Zealand dairy industry is desperately short of workers mask the real reason migrant workers are in demand here - cheap labour and unofficial rates well below the minimum adult wage traded off against opportunities to be in this country.

Day-um.


Them Messkins Swum a long way to pick a kiwi.
 

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