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Your OP is flawed.
His syntax and grammar are flawed as well. That was incredibly difficult to read.
Maybe not so much an idiot when it comes to the Presidential election, because blacks have broken open and into the lower races a long time ago, and so these races are generally more focused on the bread and butter issues in these areas for many, and it cuts across the lines for many in the states and DC elected positions in which are appointed afterwards, but this Presidential election was different, and the rhetoric leading up to it was different, and the players were different also. Patterns could be seen and people were opening their mouths in ways that they never had before over it.Blacks vote for blacks.
It's a fact of life.
If that were true, Michael Steele and Alan Keyes would have been Maryland Senators. In fact, Steele's white opponent got 74% of the black vote, and Steele got 50% of the white vote. You're an idiot.
CNN.com - Elections 2006
Hey I'm not perect no, but anyone with half a brain can figure out the OP easily...Your OP is flawed.
His syntax and grammar are flawed as well. That was incredibly difficult to read.
Beagle9,
Your original post STARTED with the words....
Do you realize that it was an insult to Barack Obama...so let's start there. Who are you to determine what should or should not insult Barack Obama? <Still waiting for your response to my Clinton Bush question >
I meant to say, but to late to change it now, "Do you realize that it may have been an insult to Barack Obama", so work with that premise if you will.. It is a much better wording, but like I said it is to late to change it now, so onward we all go. Oh and who are you to tell me what I should or should not detemin in a thread or question asked ? Like I said Clinton and the others aren't black, and therefore they cannot fit into this premise or question that I have posed here. It is unique to the situation and you know it.
You then go on to ASSUME that black people who voted for him ONLY voted for him because he is black. How would you know? Who told you this? (please don't quote some far-right whack-job....and I say that in fairness because there are a lot of far left whack jobs that I have no use for, too).
I already told you where I witnessed this from "TV and the news shows where they were out doing surveys prior to the election, and asking many people who they were going to vote for, just like the last election when they did the same, but I was reffering to the last election and wondering if it went on in this election also? It became obvious that there was a pattern seen in all of this, but maybe I was just delusional or naieve when watching this take place.
So, if your first premise, that President Obama is NOT embarrassed (again....how would YOU know? talk to him lately?) and your second premise in unprovable, then your initial premise is about as viable as an icicle in hell.
Ummm, I am having a hard time making sense of your last statement here or what it is inferring actually, or rather I think I know what you are trying to say, in that it is unprovable no matter what the people think, so why even go there right ? Oh well you know how enquring minds are here, we all just want to make sense of it all, so tell us what we want to know, and tell us now dog-gone-it. LOL
beagle9 said:I will stick to what Martin Luther King said in regards to this nations troubles surrounding the content of ones character always overriding ones skin color (in which one day he longed for in this nation), and I will believe this unto the day that I die... No one can argue this premise, no matter how long they try to argue it, because Martin Luther King was spot on when he said this, and it should stand for all Americans in this nation to this very day.
I believe it, but what happened ?Beagle9,
Your original post STARTED with the words....
Do you realize that it was an insult to Barack Obama...so let's start there. Who are you to determine what should or should not insult Barack Obama? <Still waiting for your response to my Clinton Bush question >
I meant to say, but to late to change it now, "Do you realize that it may have been an insult to Barack Obama", so work with that premise if you will.. It is a much better wording, but like I said it is to late to change it now, so onward we all go. Oh and who are you to tell me what I should or should not detemin in a thread or question asked ? Like I said Clinton and the others aren't black, and therefore they cannot fit into this premise or question that I have posed here. It is unique to the situation and you know it.
I already told you where I witnessed this from "TV and the news shows where they were out doing surveys prior to the election, and asking many people who they were going to vote for, just like the last election when they did the same, but I was reffering to the last election and wondering if it went on in this election also? It became obvious that there was a pattern seen in all of this, but maybe I was just delusional or naieve when watching this take place.
Ummm, I am having a hard time making sense of your last statement here or what it is inferring actually, or rather I think I know what you are trying to say, in that it is unprovable no matter what the people think, so why even go there right ? Oh well you know how enquring minds are here, we all just want to make sense of it all, so tell us what we want to know, and tell us now dog-gone-it. LOL
OK....I understand you a bit better, so I will cool the jets a little...
I will still point out that if you truly believe this
beagle9 said:I will stick to what Martin Luther King said in regards to this nations troubles surrounding the content of ones character always overriding ones skin color (in which one day he longed for in this nation), and I will believe this unto the day that I die... No one can argue this premise, no matter how long they try to argue it, because Martin Luther King was spot on when he said this, and it should stand for all Americans in this nation to this very day.
then this whole thread would not even be a question in your mind. And thus the Clinton / Bush question.....that was an election balanced almost completely on the content of two men's character. So why did Clinton (who's character was impinged from the beginning - Whitewater) win?
Hey I'm not perect no, but anyone with half a brain can figure out the OP easily...Your OP is flawed.
His syntax and grammar are flawed as well. That was incredibly difficult to read.
Huh ?Hey I'm not perect no, but anyone with half a brain can figure out the OP easily...His syntax and grammar are flawed as well. That was incredibly difficult to read.
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Your OP is flawed.
His syntax and grammar are flawed as well. That was incredibly difficult to read.
Yeah, but I don't take issue with that. I'm involved in a number of newsgroups where people posting have a first language other than English. I make it a point not to criticize people's command of the English language when so many of us who criticize can ONLY speak English.
Hey I'm not perect no, but anyone with half a brain can figure out the OP easily...Your OP is flawed.
His syntax and grammar are flawed as well. That was incredibly difficult to read.
and ask yourself if it feels clumsy to you. If it does, imagine what those of us unable to climb inside your head feel when they read it.Maybe not so much an idiot when it
Sorry...His syntax and grammar are flawed as well. That was incredibly difficult to read.
Yeah, but I don't take issue with that. I'm involved in a number of newsgroups where people posting have a first language other than English. I make it a point not to criticize people's command of the English language when so many of us who criticize can ONLY speak English.
This doesn't appear to be from a person struggling with the language. Verb tenses are correct, spelling is reasonable as I remember, but the sentence structure is awkward. Using the same words several times in a paragraph is clumsy. It makes your reader wonder if he's lost his place.
I just found it difficult to read
I know...LOL... I'm trying as best I can so I hope you will forgive me..Hey I'm not perect no, but anyone with half a brain can figure out the OP easily...His syntax and grammar are flawed as well. That was incredibly difficult to read.
I'm more than capable of figuring out what you said. The question is, do I want to bother? I believe it was your post (7:27 PM CST)previous to this one I am quoting where you went on about 100 words before you gave us a period. Reread that sentence, the one that begins,and ask yourself if it feels clumsy to you. If it does, imagine what those of us unable to climb inside your head feel when they read it.Maybe not so much an idiot when it
I'm getting the impression that what you have to say is worth reading. I tend to agree with your premise, but Damn!
I know...LOL... I'm trying as best I can so I hope you will forgive me..Hey I'm not perect no, but anyone with half a brain can figure out the OP easily...
I'm more than capable of figuring out what you said. The question is, do I want to bother? I believe it was your post (7:27 PM CST)previous to this one I am quoting where you went on about 100 words before you gave us a period. Reread that sentence, the one that begins,and ask yourself if it feels clumsy to you. If it does, imagine what those of us unable to climb inside your head feel when they read it.Maybe not so much an idiot when it
I'm getting the impression that what you have to say is worth reading. I tend to agree with your premise, but Damn!
Obama won in 2008 because he was black.
He won in 2012 because he was the better candidate.
President Obama won the 2008 election because:
[/QUOTE]Palin had zip to due with McCain's defeat.
- He revolutionized the use of electronic media and a strong ground campaign to excite young voters and turn them out at the polls in unprecedented numbers
- He revolutionized the use of electronic media to raise funds at an amazing level, $5 at a time
- Even though VP candidates rarely impact the Presidential Race, people saw through Sarah Palin as the incompetent non-finisher she eventually proved herself to be. (who resigns from a Governor's position to launch a campaign and then not run?)
McCain had voted in lock step with Bush 90+ of the time on various issues.
After 8 years people were sick of Bush and weren't going to vote for a Bush clone.
Obama had 2 things going for him.
1) He wasn't Bush
2) He was black
Having Miss "I shoot moose from a helicopter and watch Russia from my porch" 2nd in command to potentially the oldest elected president concerned more than a few people.
....
The idiot savant Biden is a perfect example of this truism.
Blacks vote for blacks.
It's a fact of life.
No matter what? Does it matter if you think he's qualified or not?
Caroljo,
Speaking as a black man who has voted for candidates who are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, female, and Native American in various local, state and national elections, qualifications count a lot more than race. I can also say that is pretty much true of most of the people I associate with.
The original post would only be true in an environment where people delegate the requirement to think. That is more insulting to an entire group of people than the OP apparently believes his ridiculous premise is an insult to President Obama.
Again, to answer your question. Qualifications are more important than skin color. In fact SOMETIMES qualifications are even more important than party affiliation.
to say that he was or should be elected by them, on the basis of his skin color, and that of it being an historic moment/event if he was elected based upon his skin color (i.e. becoming the first Black President in the USA)?
Think about this for a moment.... Barack saw himself winning that first election personally I'm thinking, as to be based upon his education and that of him being an American, and it never being based upon his skin color or should have been to the American voter reagrdless of his skin color, otherwise to be based upon him being a black man in life in order that he should get the job. He accepted this blackman thing in which was placed upon him, but what does it make him think really of the people who saw it all in this way, and voted for him in this way ? Does he see them as being smart or that of being naieve and ignorant in life in America, because a President should always be hired based upon his education and record in life, in which qualifies him or her for the job, and never should it be based upon the color of ones skin in life.
Somehow this nation must get beyond this skin color thing in life, because as Martin Luther King once said, it is and never should be about color in America as we are all going into the future, but instead about character, so why did the people run around yelling to the roof tops about color in that 1st election, and what did color mean to them if the election in their mind was won on the premise of color and not that of character, and this I mean if it is found to be lacking there of once a person is looked at for their character found within their job, and not looked at because of their skin color ?
