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Your words, well they are my premise and/or explains it, so what is it that you don't like about my presentation, because it is to be interpreted exactly upon what you have spoken of it here? Maybe I worded it in a confusing way or something, or is it that people are having a hard time understanding what they may have done in this manor, especially if it turns out that they were wrong for doing so on down the line.No matter what? Does it matter if you think he's qualified or not?
Caroljo,
Speaking as a black man who has voted for candidates who are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, female, and Native American in various local, state and national elections, qualifications count a lot more than race. I can also say that is pretty much true of most of the people I associate with.
The original post would only be true in an environment where people delegate the requirement to think. That is more insulting to an entire group of people than the OP apparently believes his ridiculous premise is an insult to President Obama.
Again, to answer your question. Qualifications are more important than skin color. In fact SOMETIMES qualifications are even more important than party affiliation.
Oh so you think that the issue's remain the same every time an election rolls around ? I mean you make the claim or excuse that blacks vote democratic most always, but why is that if they are voting on the canidate that best suits the issues of the times (regardless of party) and for whom has the best solutions for those issues each election when they say they have the answers ? Did you just fall into your own enslaved democrat trap ?Obama had less support from everyone this time around, and that includes African Americans. However, what baffles me is the notion that Obama got insane levels of support from black voters. African Americans vote democratic, they've voted over 90% for a candidate before, and no that candidate wasn't black.
Seriously, get over it already.
Now we are getting somewhere, so what is it that you think he offered that was better than the republican canidate was offering the nation ?Obama won in 2008 because he was black.
He won in 2012 because he was the better candidate.
Oh so you think that the issue's remain the same every time an election rolls around ? I mean you make the claim or excuse that blacks vote democratic most always, but why is that if they are voting on the canidate that best suits the issues of the times (regardless of party) and has the best solutions for those issues each election when they say they have ? Did you just fall into your own enslaved trap ?Obama had less support from everyone this time around, and that includes African Americans. However, what baffles me is the notion that Obama got insane levels of support from black voters. African Americans vote democratic, they've voted over 90% for a candidate before, and no that candidate wasn't black.
Seriously, get over it already.
to say that he was or should be elected by them, on the basis of his skin color, and that of it being an historic moment/event if he was elected based upon his skin color (i.e. becoming the first Black President in the USA)?
Think about this for a moment.... Barack saw himself winning that first election personally I'm thinking, as to be based upon his education and that of him being an American, and it never being based upon his skin color or should have been to the American voter reagrdless of his skin color,
otherwise to be based upon him being a black man in life in order that he should get the job. He accepted this blackman thing in which was placed upon him, but what does it make him think really of the people who saw it all in this way, and voted for him in this way ? Does he see them as being smart or that of being naieve and ignorant in life in America, because a President should always be hired based upon his education and record in life, in which qualifies him or her for the job, and never should it be based upon the color of ones skin in life.
Somehow this nation must get beyond this skin color thing in life,
because as Martin Luther King once said, it is and never should be about color in America as we are all going into the future, but instead about character, so why did the people run around yelling to the roof tops about color in that 1st election, and what did color mean to them if the election in their mind was won on the premise of color and not that of character, and this I mean if it is found to be lacking there of once a person is looked at for their character found within their job, and not looked at because of their skin color ?
Obama didn't offer anything better than Romney.Now we are getting somewhere, so what is it that you think he offered that was better than the republican canidate was offering the nation ?Obama won in 2008 because he was black.
He won in 2012 because he was the better candidate.
Oh so you think that the issue's remain the same every time an election rolls around ? I mean you make the claim or excuse that blacks vote democratic most always, but why is that if they are voting on the canidate that best suits the issues of the times (regardless of party) and has the best solutions for those issues each election when they say they have ? Did you just fall into your own enslaved trap ?Obama had less support from everyone this time around, and that includes African Americans. However, what baffles me is the notion that Obama got insane levels of support from black voters. African Americans vote democratic, they've voted over 90% for a candidate before, and no that candidate wasn't black.
Seriously, get over it already.
Your words, well they are my premise and/or explains it, so what is it that you don't like about my presentation, because it is to be interpreted exactly upon what you have spoken of it here? Maybe I worded it in a confusing way or something, or is it that people are having a hard time understanding what they may have done in this manor, especially if it turns out that they were wrong for doing so on down the line.Caroljo,
Speaking as a black man who has voted for candidates who are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, female, and Native American in various local, state and national elections, qualifications count a lot more than race. I can also say that is pretty much true of most of the people I associate with.
The original post would only be true in an environment where people delegate the requirement to think. That is more insulting to an entire group of people than the OP apparently believes his ridiculous premise is an insult to President Obama.
Again, to answer your question. Qualifications are more important than skin color. In fact SOMETIMES qualifications are even more important than party affiliation.
Short, sweet and to the point.....
Your original post implies that MOST blacks only voted for President Obama because he is black and implies that they (we) cannot think for ourselves. That is stupid and offensive.
A better question would be..."Did Democrats only vote for President Obama because he's a Democrat?" "Did Republicans only vote for Sen. McCain because he's Republican (and had a hot running mate)??
So much for SHORT, I guess......sorry.
Obama won in 2008 because he was black.
He won in 2012 because he was the better candidate.
Good response here, and you make some very good points on where you stand, and why these points should be adressed and considered always by a party or canidate running.Oh so you think that the issue's remain the same every time an election rolls around ? I mean you make the claim or excuse that blacks vote democratic most always, but why is that if they are voting on the canidate that best suits the issues of the times (regardless of party) and has the best solutions for those issues each election when they say they have ? Did you just fall into your own enslaved trap ?Obama had less support from everyone this time around, and that includes African Americans. However, what baffles me is the notion that Obama got insane levels of support from black voters. African Americans vote democratic, they've voted over 90% for a candidate before, and no that candidate wasn't black.
Seriously, get over it already.
Actually the part in bold is largely incoherent, but I think I get the gist of it.....
A lot of the reason blacks vote largely Democratic (Hispanics and young voters, too so you may want to dig into those demographics and focus less on blacks) is that the Republican Party seems to go out of its way to insult anyone (including large blocs of voters) who don't think like them. There are DOCUMENTED cases of Republicans trying to suppress voting in minority districts. There are active campaigns like the infamous Willie Horton ads by President George Bush (the senior) that attempt to paint blacks in a negative light and simultaneously scare white voters into voting Republicans. Even in this last campaign, I personally know of at least two households in largely black districts that received Robocalls reminding them to vote on Wednesday Nov. 6th. Really? There's the Arizona immigration laws, there's the repudiation of the DREAM Act. The Republican Party appears to be trying hard to piss off the minority voting bloc. Problem was, enough NON-MINORITY voters slipped over to President Obama's side to combine with the minorities that the Republicans shoved over that way to seal the victory.
When the Republican Party decides it's worth investing in a more inclusive, or really, just a less divisive message, you will see less allegiance from minorities to the Democratic Party. For a lot of minorities, it really works out to a lesser of two evils. M, personally, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I find fault with both parties. But I do find that more often than not that it is the Republican Party, especially the Tea Party element, that openly insults me and my intelligence.
Your words, well they are my premise and/or explains it, so what is it that you don't like about my presentation, because it is to be interpreted exactly upon what you have spoken of it here? Maybe I worded it in a confusing way or something, or is it that people are having a hard time understanding what they may have done in this manor, especially if it turns out that they were wrong for doing so on down the line.
Short, sweet and to the point.....
Your original post implies that MOST blacks only voted for President Obama because he is black and implies that they (we) cannot think for ourselves. That is stupid and offensive.
A better question would be..."Did Democrats only vote for President Obama because he's a Democrat?" "Did Republicans only vote for Sen. McCain because he's Republican (and had a hot running mate)??
So much for SHORT, I guess......sorry.
If they (in large or huge numbers) did this in which I am asking and not implying as you say, where as when asked on the street who people were voting for, and I saw a majority of blacks saying Obama again (was it based on him being black still or not), and if so then you are right, it was stupid and offensive in regards to the entire process of electing someone to office or hiring a person for service (imho). The thing is, is that the nation should always explore these things, and find out what happens in them, because this nation is made up of all races who are American, and we all should be represented equally as Americans, and not based upon color or gender ever to be involved in these elections, but have we been having a problem with this, and is it growing in this nation this problem of special interest winning out over the nations best interest for all anymore ?
Yes he did all this, but who was his most targetted audience, and what did he think of them afterwards ?Obama won in 2008 because he was black.
He won in 2012 because he was the better candidate.
President Obama won the 2008 election because:
- He revolutionized the use of electronic media and a strong ground campaign to excite young voters and turn them out at the polls in unprecedented numbers
- He revolutionized the use of electronic media to raise funds at an amazing level, $5 at a time
- Even though VP candidates rarely impact the Presidential Race, people saw through Sarah Palin as the incompetent non-finisher she eventually proved herself to be. (who resigns from a Governor's position to launch a campaign and then not run?)
Palin had zip to due with McCain's defeat.Obama won in 2008 because he was black.
He won in 2012 because he was the better candidate.
President Obama won the 2008 election because:
- He revolutionized the use of electronic media and a strong ground campaign to excite young voters and turn them out at the polls in unprecedented numbers
- He revolutionized the use of electronic media to raise funds at an amazing level, $5 at a time
- Even though VP candidates rarely impact the Presidential Race, people saw through Sarah Palin as the incompetent non-finisher she eventually proved herself to be. (who resigns from a Governor's position to launch a campaign and then not run?)
The premise that I am reffering to is very unique to this President elect, so why try and confuse in this way ?Short, sweet and to the point.....
Your original post implies that MOST blacks only voted for President Obama because he is black and implies that they (we) cannot think for ourselves. That is stupid and offensive.
A better question would be..."Did Democrats only vote for President Obama because he's a Democrat?" "Did Republicans only vote for Sen. McCain because he's Republican (and had a hot running mate)??
So much for SHORT, I guess......sorry.
If they (in large or huge numbers) did this in which I am asking and not implying as you say, where as when asked on the street who people were voting for, and I saw a majority of blacks saying Obama again (was it based on him being black still or not), and if so then you are right, it was stupid and offensive in regards to the entire process of electing someone to office or hiring a person for service (imho). The thing is, is that the nation should always explore these things, and find out what happens in them, because this nation is made up of all races who are American, and we all should be represented equally as Americans, and not based upon color or gender ever to be involved in these elections, but have we been having a problem with this, and is it growing in this nation this problem of special interest winning out over the nations best interest for all anymore ?
See, this is AGAIN evidence of how ridiculous your original premise is. Is the need to ask people whether race played a role in their vote for president only an issue if the person being asked is of the same race as the person they voted for? Should we have asked every white person who voted for Nixon whether or not it was because he was white? Better yet, why wouldn't you ask the 36% of white voters who voted for President Obama why they did not vote for Gov. Romney, especially since he is white like them?
What questions would you have asked of whom when Bill Clinton prevented George Herbert Walker Bush from achieving re-election? VERY patiently awaiting your response to this.
Palin had zip to due with McCain's defeat.Obama won in 2008 because he was black.
He won in 2012 because he was the better candidate.
President Obama won the 2008 election because:
- He revolutionized the use of electronic media and a strong ground campaign to excite young voters and turn them out at the polls in unprecedented numbers
- He revolutionized the use of electronic media to raise funds at an amazing level, $5 at a time
- Even though VP candidates rarely impact the Presidential Race, people saw through Sarah Palin as the incompetent non-finisher she eventually proved herself to be. (who resigns from a Governor's position to launch a campaign and then not run?)
McCain had voted in lock step with Bush 90+ of the time on various issues.
After 8 years people were sick of Bush and weren't going to vote for a Bush clone.
Obama had 2 things going for him.
1) He wasn't Bush
2) He was black
Blacks vote for blacks.
It's a fact of life.
Beagle9,
Your original post STARTED with the words....
Do you realize that it was an insult to Barack Obama...so let's start there. Who are you to determine what should or should not insult Barack Obama? <Still waiting for your response to my Clinton Bush question >
You then go on to ASSUME that black people who voted for him ONLY voted for him because he is black. How would you know? Who told you this? (please don't quote some far-right whack-job....and I say that in fairness because there are a lot of far left whack jobs that I have no use for, too).
So, if your first premise, that President Obama is NOT embarrassed (again....how would YOU know? talk to him lately?) and your second premise in unprovable, then your initial premise is about as viable as an icicle in hell.
Your OP is flawed.
