Mike Dwight
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YOU ARE READING A CAREFULLY MADE SOUTHERN APOLOGETIC ARGUMENT. THIS ANNOUNCEMENT SAVES CONFUSION i.e. black bashing, Dixie bashing, politics bashing, spamming
I'm sure I'm not the first to know, that slavery, tarrifs, and states rights are Shallow national discussions about the US Civil War, almost all of these alienating or making foreign the Southern effort. All of these causes would be simply Reactionary. The US had slavery. All states had slavery at some point. All the US all were agricultural at some point instead of an industrializing north. all states at some point were from the more Conservative view of Confederated States and confederacy, such as the phrase "Thirteen Colonies" suggests, thirteen states together decided the American Revolution. The Northern States are simply changing or moving away from their original arrangement. Instead, what is required for a proactive war needed proactive imagination and vision from the Southern States. I think the United States could work out a simple Liberal View and Conservative View, but what is required for a War, is something different entirely.
First off, the Confederacy is a confirmable top-level name and label of the United States from 2nd President James Madison up to Abraham Lincoln's predecessor James Buchanan. 2nd President John Adams named the helvatic swiss confederacy or the Batavian Netherlands confederacy as models on the US Articles of Confederation which predate the US constitution. 4th President James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, John Tyler, James K Polk, Franklin Pierce, and probably ALL presidents if I had time for it, moving into James Buchanan and then Abraham Lincoln, made sure to mention a FEW times the state of the Confederacy as it grew in states, as a sure description of our inter-states coalition of the willing. Slavery itself moving to the South doesn't suggest a difference of actual opinion between north or south or cross-purposes. So maybe you can cling that "Slavery was the cause of the War", even when 1 in 5 were slaves in border states or northern states, or that there were some southern Enthusiastic states such as Tennessee with nearly little to Nil slaves entirely. This again is close to a random descriptor of the war. People also, can have reasons to be mean or controlling to each other in this scary and deathly time period full of Bandits for instance, outside of slavery. There were also a few other reasons to be another man's servant, apprenticeships or indentured servitude as slavery was applied in the us Constitution.
I'd like to note James Madison's intimate governmental knowledge of the Confederate Netherlands and Switzerland, because these are Reformed Christian countries. These countries gained native government and church function from overthrow of the Spanish Empire or the Catholic Church for native rights and government.
When people decided to take the path of George Washington, rebellion against all unlimited and indefinite offense to liberties and properties, and of their Fathers and their Fathers' God as was all common parlance in this era and by Confederates, they did so with an active moving objective of self-identification, with these Reformed European powers as a fellowship model, with Democratic liberty values highly regarded.
General Thomas "stonewall" Jackson was a mere lieutenant raised above his rank and a rallying cry during the war and a Lost Cause right at his death. Here are some speculations for Why. Lets look at President Andrew Jackson, who "stonewalled" the British at New Orleans, an evidentially celebrated victory in the South. He also cleared out Native Americans to the West in reference to the best 'interests of these states'. He is a hero from an earlier time, his successor is Thomas "Stonewall Jackson" of no shared relation I'm aware of, both share a Scottish and Presbyterian, or Reformed Christian heritage, such as the Netherlands or Switzerland. Both Anthems of the Confederacy such as "Dixie" are highly regarded but I want to examine the runner-up called the "Bonnie Blue Flag". Bonnie is not made up or used for flair, its a Scottish word which usually is used in Scotland or known abroad to mean dear to ones self and pretty. The Scottish flag itself is Blue and bonnie, and to suggest that it bears a single star, suggests encompassing Democratic and Republican ideals. The Virginian Battle Flag can be discerned from this popular Bonnie Blue Flag tune as it encompassed a cross-shape and more stars into the stainless banner Dixie Flag. This first official use as a government political flag was for Stonewall Jackson's burial. We can tell from almost all official release or sympathetic Confederate songs, an identification with release from universal Catholic, or militaristic control, for the native and local state governments such as in Switzerland, Netherlands, or Scotland, and a Confederacy who was looking for diplomatic Recognition. The Puritans of England decried any sort of Popery, any conforming, or Romanists, which is a safe hatred picked up throughout. The American Eagle which echoes the Roman Eagle should be taken down for the Cross, Citizenship from Roman Republic times is not highly regarded or repeated, rather than the Feudal Subjects of late Medieval Europe, these tend to be true tenants and aspirations from Protestant Reformation times that should change in their system of Government.
P.S. That was my big Protestant Reformation punch line. I do however have an interest in John Brown's raid as is already common in discussions of Actual causes of the war. As I said, it is hard to imagine nearly gangs of bandits roaming around for slaughter such as John Brown who would clash in battle between civilian pro-slave and anti-slave local factions. John Brown would come to take over a government arsenal in Virginia in hopes of arming all slaves to kill the Southern people, which, still fits our once again, vivid imaginations on race and common humanity, no one did join John Brown in shooting up the arsenal or killing blacks or whites or anybody around, and Robert E Lee is the noted marines commander in retaking the Virginian government arsenal before the US civil War. The largest Northern surrender was again at this arsenal, we can see an ongoing awareness nationally about this arsenal taken by rebellious forces to cause indisputable anarchy as an end state. Compare this with Robert E Lee's reasons for surrender at the end of the war, it would prevent guerilla warfare, I would paraphrase, dishonorable conduct.
This IS the religion and Ethics forum, and this impacts BOTH of those. The British Isles religions are Anglican and Presbyterian, what do you think of these religions tending to have very low post-war memberships and extreme liberalizations, what is after about the 1930's , America's new Nationalism and isolation in community from Europe's Christians and denominations, and is this really bringing us closer in any sort of understanding with our own African Americans or is this completely separate? What has our nearly native and insular Methodist, Baptist, and various religions since meant to the Nation or yourself? The North were despised as "Yankees" which, isn't said empty, when the South's nicest homes were stuffed with Victorian goods and religious morals, the UK itself only recently outlawing its nonexistent slave trade. I would coin 1500 to 1900, an age of euro-centrism as a backdrop, that takes MANY forms and not the same everywhere. The Southerners maintained a religious unthinking subjugation in these policies, that Thomas Stonewall Jackson named it as God-ordained slavery, as much as he named the death of every soldier God-appointed timing, with a hatred of any sort of flinching or poor discipline. That was Religious self importance different from the UKs 'white man's safeguarding' and guidance as being necessary empire building, that is still connected, but changed. The reference to the Knightly southern man, a Knight of chivalry, of a Christian medieval institution soldier, whereas british empire enforced little to NO religious enforcement or bias throughout its time and empire. Aggressive Spanish males sought to gain English or Scottish kingdoms through marriage subjugation, very central to their protestant Reformation experience, and these highlight many differences between current North America and South America. There are differences in Protestant to Heathen marriage, catholic to Heathen marriage. There are differences between kingdom marriages or more so race marriages if that was even a topic. Catholic Popes more over, supported those marriages tending to bring together new Holy Roman Empires. German immigrants and Irish immigrants have their peculiarities, but We actually already have Old America's answer to our unmistakable Black and American and European-centrism taught at least when I was in school, was an American state called Liberia. The American Colonization Society offered anyone newly free to the state of Liberia which was only separated some time after the Civil War with generous US grants. I wouldn't wish that current over-thrown state on anybody, but the extremes of segregation such as a Blackland of Blackonia do spark imagination. These ideas manifested among blacks themselves between the competing Marcus Garvey's Universal Negro Improvement Association in 1900's ideological battles or with W E Du Bois' NAACP. Marcus Garvey is popular in Jamaica for some reason.
I'm sure I'm not the first to know, that slavery, tarrifs, and states rights are Shallow national discussions about the US Civil War, almost all of these alienating or making foreign the Southern effort. All of these causes would be simply Reactionary. The US had slavery. All states had slavery at some point. All the US all were agricultural at some point instead of an industrializing north. all states at some point were from the more Conservative view of Confederated States and confederacy, such as the phrase "Thirteen Colonies" suggests, thirteen states together decided the American Revolution. The Northern States are simply changing or moving away from their original arrangement. Instead, what is required for a proactive war needed proactive imagination and vision from the Southern States. I think the United States could work out a simple Liberal View and Conservative View, but what is required for a War, is something different entirely.
First off, the Confederacy is a confirmable top-level name and label of the United States from 2nd President James Madison up to Abraham Lincoln's predecessor James Buchanan. 2nd President John Adams named the helvatic swiss confederacy or the Batavian Netherlands confederacy as models on the US Articles of Confederation which predate the US constitution. 4th President James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, John Tyler, James K Polk, Franklin Pierce, and probably ALL presidents if I had time for it, moving into James Buchanan and then Abraham Lincoln, made sure to mention a FEW times the state of the Confederacy as it grew in states, as a sure description of our inter-states coalition of the willing. Slavery itself moving to the South doesn't suggest a difference of actual opinion between north or south or cross-purposes. So maybe you can cling that "Slavery was the cause of the War", even when 1 in 5 were slaves in border states or northern states, or that there were some southern Enthusiastic states such as Tennessee with nearly little to Nil slaves entirely. This again is close to a random descriptor of the war. People also, can have reasons to be mean or controlling to each other in this scary and deathly time period full of Bandits for instance, outside of slavery. There were also a few other reasons to be another man's servant, apprenticeships or indentured servitude as slavery was applied in the us Constitution.
I'd like to note James Madison's intimate governmental knowledge of the Confederate Netherlands and Switzerland, because these are Reformed Christian countries. These countries gained native government and church function from overthrow of the Spanish Empire or the Catholic Church for native rights and government.
When people decided to take the path of George Washington, rebellion against all unlimited and indefinite offense to liberties and properties, and of their Fathers and their Fathers' God as was all common parlance in this era and by Confederates, they did so with an active moving objective of self-identification, with these Reformed European powers as a fellowship model, with Democratic liberty values highly regarded.
General Thomas "stonewall" Jackson was a mere lieutenant raised above his rank and a rallying cry during the war and a Lost Cause right at his death. Here are some speculations for Why. Lets look at President Andrew Jackson, who "stonewalled" the British at New Orleans, an evidentially celebrated victory in the South. He also cleared out Native Americans to the West in reference to the best 'interests of these states'. He is a hero from an earlier time, his successor is Thomas "Stonewall Jackson" of no shared relation I'm aware of, both share a Scottish and Presbyterian, or Reformed Christian heritage, such as the Netherlands or Switzerland. Both Anthems of the Confederacy such as "Dixie" are highly regarded but I want to examine the runner-up called the "Bonnie Blue Flag". Bonnie is not made up or used for flair, its a Scottish word which usually is used in Scotland or known abroad to mean dear to ones self and pretty. The Scottish flag itself is Blue and bonnie, and to suggest that it bears a single star, suggests encompassing Democratic and Republican ideals. The Virginian Battle Flag can be discerned from this popular Bonnie Blue Flag tune as it encompassed a cross-shape and more stars into the stainless banner Dixie Flag. This first official use as a government political flag was for Stonewall Jackson's burial. We can tell from almost all official release or sympathetic Confederate songs, an identification with release from universal Catholic, or militaristic control, for the native and local state governments such as in Switzerland, Netherlands, or Scotland, and a Confederacy who was looking for diplomatic Recognition. The Puritans of England decried any sort of Popery, any conforming, or Romanists, which is a safe hatred picked up throughout. The American Eagle which echoes the Roman Eagle should be taken down for the Cross, Citizenship from Roman Republic times is not highly regarded or repeated, rather than the Feudal Subjects of late Medieval Europe, these tend to be true tenants and aspirations from Protestant Reformation times that should change in their system of Government.
P.S. That was my big Protestant Reformation punch line. I do however have an interest in John Brown's raid as is already common in discussions of Actual causes of the war. As I said, it is hard to imagine nearly gangs of bandits roaming around for slaughter such as John Brown who would clash in battle between civilian pro-slave and anti-slave local factions. John Brown would come to take over a government arsenal in Virginia in hopes of arming all slaves to kill the Southern people, which, still fits our once again, vivid imaginations on race and common humanity, no one did join John Brown in shooting up the arsenal or killing blacks or whites or anybody around, and Robert E Lee is the noted marines commander in retaking the Virginian government arsenal before the US civil War. The largest Northern surrender was again at this arsenal, we can see an ongoing awareness nationally about this arsenal taken by rebellious forces to cause indisputable anarchy as an end state. Compare this with Robert E Lee's reasons for surrender at the end of the war, it would prevent guerilla warfare, I would paraphrase, dishonorable conduct.
This IS the religion and Ethics forum, and this impacts BOTH of those. The British Isles religions are Anglican and Presbyterian, what do you think of these religions tending to have very low post-war memberships and extreme liberalizations, what is after about the 1930's , America's new Nationalism and isolation in community from Europe's Christians and denominations, and is this really bringing us closer in any sort of understanding with our own African Americans or is this completely separate? What has our nearly native and insular Methodist, Baptist, and various religions since meant to the Nation or yourself? The North were despised as "Yankees" which, isn't said empty, when the South's nicest homes were stuffed with Victorian goods and religious morals, the UK itself only recently outlawing its nonexistent slave trade. I would coin 1500 to 1900, an age of euro-centrism as a backdrop, that takes MANY forms and not the same everywhere. The Southerners maintained a religious unthinking subjugation in these policies, that Thomas Stonewall Jackson named it as God-ordained slavery, as much as he named the death of every soldier God-appointed timing, with a hatred of any sort of flinching or poor discipline. That was Religious self importance different from the UKs 'white man's safeguarding' and guidance as being necessary empire building, that is still connected, but changed. The reference to the Knightly southern man, a Knight of chivalry, of a Christian medieval institution soldier, whereas british empire enforced little to NO religious enforcement or bias throughout its time and empire. Aggressive Spanish males sought to gain English or Scottish kingdoms through marriage subjugation, very central to their protestant Reformation experience, and these highlight many differences between current North America and South America. There are differences in Protestant to Heathen marriage, catholic to Heathen marriage. There are differences between kingdom marriages or more so race marriages if that was even a topic. Catholic Popes more over, supported those marriages tending to bring together new Holy Roman Empires. German immigrants and Irish immigrants have their peculiarities, but We actually already have Old America's answer to our unmistakable Black and American and European-centrism taught at least when I was in school, was an American state called Liberia. The American Colonization Society offered anyone newly free to the state of Liberia which was only separated some time after the Civil War with generous US grants. I wouldn't wish that current over-thrown state on anybody, but the extremes of segregation such as a Blackland of Blackonia do spark imagination. These ideas manifested among blacks themselves between the competing Marcus Garvey's Universal Negro Improvement Association in 1900's ideological battles or with W E Du Bois' NAACP. Marcus Garvey is popular in Jamaica for some reason.
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