Divided, We Stand?

[Pete7469]

United we will stand once the left is defeated and it's elites take refuge with the euroweenies.

You don't find "common ground" with a rapist and offer head, unless you're a moron, because you're still going to get fucked.

You don't acquiesce to a home invader, offer to give them half your shit as long as they leave your cash behind. You shoot them in the fuckin face for kicking down your door or they're going to take all your shit.

Personally, I'm content with the division. The longer the bed wetters squeal, the more they annoy people. The more violent they get, the sooner they go to prison or suffer the consequences of Acute Victim Selection Failure and are retroactively aborted. The more they riot and destroy shit, the more they turn off decent people who will deliberately avoid voting democrook.

Once the DNC is marginalized effectively enough, the sooner we will recover. It requires conflict to win.


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[Pete7469]

Insults never change anyone's opinion. In fact, they tend to do the opposite.

BULLSHIT.

Ridicule is a weapon. The left used it effectively for decades to undermine the culture and tradition of the country. They made people uncomfortable or even embarrassed to speak their minds. Now that they've gone full retard, all of a sudden Saul's rule isn't working for them, but it's working for their enemies.

Now, liberals look stupid, they always have been, but no one called them out. They should be embarrassed when a small horde of hideous hags and faggots with no hope in hell of reproducing are protesting for the "right" to kill babies. They should be embarrassed when one of their newest cults of personality says cow farts are going to kill us in 12 years and that she has just discovered garbage disposals. They should have been embarrassed decades ago by the fact that not only did Ted Kennedy not go to prison like anyone else would have, he stayed in the senate.

It's only now that people have access to the internet that 3 channels of redundant leftist agitprop can't completely manipulate public opinion.

 

[Flopper]

Instead, it seems, we are recklessly tugging at the thread that holds us together. Today, liberals and conservatives barricade themselves in digital citadels where some media, with calculated bias, assure their viewers that what they already believe is correct.

It seems to me that no one today knows any history at all. I mean DEEP history, the kind you only get by living it. I was born in 1946. I clearly remember living on an army air base where soldiers and their new boomer families were forced to live cause there just wasn't enough housing. Try and imagine this.... A United States with no leftards. Got that? I mean NO lefties like we got today. EVERYBODY in this country had just spent years of their lives, and the lives of their family and friends, literally, not virtually, but litterally, hundreds of thousands of your friends and family died in the fight for the freedom of the rest of the world.

This is very clear to me, even all these years later. A leftard of today would have been, and I'm sure the few that voiced their opinions, were beaten senseless or simply disappeared. People were never seen again, the story was, "Oh, he moved to texas, got a good job" or some such. How would anyone know? No one had a cell phone, no one searched very hard. No internet, e-mail, no nothing.

So, liberals, especially the mad rabid tards we see today, ARE hard communists who think they are good Americans, and they are so wrong. They don't know what an American is.

This is what I am and I will NEVER change

I think what is clear to you is that life was far different then. We had less technology. People were more dependent on family by necessity. Except for the military, hardly anyone traveled abroad. Most people lived and died in the state they were born in. In fact, a rather large percent of the population never left the state of their birth.

We weren't concerned about racial, religious, or sexual bias because we believed it right and property. Women belonged in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant and obedient to their husband because that was her lot in life. Blacks were on the lowest rung of society because they were inferior, everybody knew that. If Darwin was right, then it was blacks that came from monkeys which what white teens called them. Christian didn't associate with Jews because they didn't believe in Jesus. The disabled which were called handicapped were forced to be dependent on the family. Homosexuals were locked away or they pretend they were heterosexual. Unwed mothers were shunned by the community denied jobs and education and the child was label as illegitimate on the birth certificate to insure that the sins of the mother carry forward to the child.

The changes brought about by WWII were the driving force behind the demand for equal treatment in society. American black soldiers after serving their country came home unwilling to conform to the old ways. During the war women experience the workplace as never before, doing responsible jobs with good pay and then promptly dismissed at end of the war. Disable veterans came home wanting good jobs, freedom of access and to escape from being a burden to their family. The religious and racial persecution and atrocities of the Nazis caused Americans to question religious and racial persecution. The liberals you're speaking of were men and women of all races, religions, demanding to be treated as individuals, judged on their merits.

BTW, I was there in the forties. I was born just before the war and was in elementary school in 1946 and a teen in 50's. I saw blacks thrown off the bus because they were sitting to close to front of the bus. I saw public water fountains and swimming pools closed because the city thought blacks would use them. When I was in high school, I was told I couldn't date a girl because she wasn't our kind of people, a code for being a Jew. My Mom worked in an office doing the work of men and making half the wages. One of the fun things kids did in those days was drive through black neighborhoods, call someone over to the car and throw a bottle of piss in their face. Those were really the good days. Thank God they are gone forever.

 

[Flopper]

Insults never change anyone's opinion. In fact, they tend to do the opposite.

BULLSHIT.

Ridicule is a weapon. The left used it effectively for decades to undermine the culture and tradition of the country. They made people uncomfortable or even embarrassed to speak their minds. Now that they've gone full retard, all of a sudden Saul's rule isn't working for them, but it's working for their enemies.

Now, liberals look stupid, they always have been, but no one called them out. They should be embarrassed when a small horde of hideous hags and faggots with no hope in hell of reproducing are protesting for the "right" to kill babies. They should be embarrassed when one of their newest cults of personality says cow farts are going to kill us in 12 years and that she has just discovered garbage disposals. They should have been embarrassed decades ago by the fact that not only did Ted Kennedy not go to prison like anyone else would have, he stayed in the senate.

It's only now that people have access to the internet that 3 channels of redundant leftist agitprop can't completely manipulate public opinion.

You don't change anyone's opinion by insulting them. It either ends the discussion are just produces more insults.

 

[Silver Blooded]

You’re right, it is a sad state we are in. Politics is almost entirely about winning elections and dirty campaigning unfortunately has proven to be the most effective tactic. We the people have become drama hungry puppets being fed by trolls. Don’t know how it changes but I hope something can change our course

It begins in places just like this. We may post because we won't to change hearts and mind but what we really do is build walls between us such that the opposition hears only what confirms their position. What we should be doing is creating threads that are more neutral where ideas can be shared and agreements can be reached. And secondly, we should use techniques that actually work. Calling someone a stupid idiot will never change their opinion and will just derail the thread.

Do discussions on USMB of race, religion, abortion, climate change, illegal immigration, etc change the minds of the opposition? I think not and that's because posters are far more interesting in stating their own opinion than actually changing the opinions of others.

You’re right, most of what goes on here is trolling and fighting. I’ve engaged in some good debates which have caused me to rethink my positions and/or learn events and history that I wasn’t aware of. I’ve also been guilty of engaging in ugly attacking ways. In the end, we are all responsible for how we engage and we all need to better

Yes, having civil discussions is nice, but nowhere near as fun as calling someone you don't know a fucking moron because they think making the 1% pay for everything will fix our country.

 

[Slade3200]

You’re right, it is a sad state we are in. Politics is almost entirely about winning elections and dirty campaigning unfortunately has proven to be the most effective tactic. We the people have become drama hungry puppets being fed by trolls. Don’t know how it changes but I hope something can change our course

It begins in places just like this. We may post because we won't to change hearts and mind but what we really do is build walls between us such that the opposition hears only what confirms their position. What we should be doing is creating threads that are more neutral where ideas can be shared and agreements can be reached. And secondly, we should use techniques that actually work. Calling someone a stupid idiot will never change their opinion and will just derail the thread.

Do discussions on USMB of race, religion, abortion, climate change, illegal immigration, etc change the minds of the opposition? I think not and that's because posters are far more interesting in stating their own opinion than actually changing the opinions of others.

You’re right, most of what goes on here is trolling and fighting. I’ve engaged in some good debates which have caused me to rethink my positions and/or learn events and history that I wasn’t aware of. I’ve also been guilty of engaging in ugly attacking ways. In the end, we are all responsible for how we engage and we all need to better

Yes, having civil discussions is nice, but nowhere near as fun as calling someone you don't know a fucking moron because they think making the 1% pay for everything will fix our country.

And calling somebody you don’t know a moron is useful in what way besides providing a false sense of superiority to compensate for deep rooted insecurities?

 

[Silver Blooded]

You’re right, it is a sad state we are in. Politics is almost entirely about winning elections and dirty campaigning unfortunately has proven to be the most effective tactic. We the people have become drama hungry puppets being fed by trolls. Don’t know how it changes but I hope something can change our course

It begins in places just like this. We may post because we won't to change hearts and mind but what we really do is build walls between us such that the opposition hears only what confirms their position. What we should be doing is creating threads that are more neutral where ideas can be shared and agreements can be reached. And secondly, we should use techniques that actually work. Calling someone a stupid idiot will never change their opinion and will just derail the thread.

Do discussions on USMB of race, religion, abortion, climate change, illegal immigration, etc change the minds of the opposition? I think not and that's because posters are far more interesting in stating their own opinion than actually changing the opinions of others.

You’re right, most of what goes on here is trolling and fighting. I’ve engaged in some good debates which have caused me to rethink my positions and/or learn events and history that I wasn’t aware of. I’ve also been guilty of engaging in ugly attacking ways. In the end, we are all responsible for how we engage and we all need to better

Yes, having civil discussions is nice, but nowhere near as fun as calling someone you don't know a fucking moron because they think making the 1% pay for everything will fix our country.

And calling somebody you don’t know a moron is useful in what way besides providing a false sense of superiority to compensate for deep rooted insecurities?

Who gives a fuck whether it's useful? I said it was fun. It's fun to argue and beat people in arguments and debates. Trying to better ourselves won't fix this divide, unless the entire country is in agreements, and since that won't happen, I might as well use it to have some fun arguing with people on the internet.

 

[yowsa]

We can have a boatload of fun after Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper and Yates are indicted. Let's stay serious until then.

 

[Mac1958]

Worse, it's a self-inflicted wound. No one is forcing us to behave this way. Ego and tribalism.

So you believe Republicans should unit with Dims to destroy the country?

Absolutely. I think destroying the country would be really cool 'n stuff.
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You must if you believe we should unite with the people intent on doing it.

I believe we need as many people who are capable of collaboration and innovation as possible.

Collaboration & Innovation means creating great new things. Like our Constitution.

Those who lack that capacity can just keep screaming like frustrated children.
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[Theowl32]

Worse, it's a self-inflicted wound. No one is forcing us to behave this way.

Ego and tribalism.
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Ignorant asshole.

You may not know this, you socialist ass, but this country is actually supposed to be and always has been divided.

The ACTUAL PROBLEM is we have not had ANY true OPPOSITION PARTY in over 30 years. Only check pants republicans who mostly assumed their position as punching bags. While our stupid heads are shifting left and right, they were always in locked rooms passing around the loot to and getting loot from special interests.

You idiots don't get it. Never did, never will.

The moronic public who think peace, and love and holding hands is the way it is supposed to be, get a clue.

Know this. When both sides are in unison and "bipartisanship" is the reality, we the people are getting screwed.

 

[dblack]

Instead, it seems, we are recklessly tugging at the thread that holds us together. Today, liberals and conservatives barricade themselves in digital citadels where some media, with calculated bias, assure their viewers that what they already believe is correct.

It seems to me that no one today knows any history at all. I mean DEEP history, the kind you only get by living it. I was born in 1946. I clearly remember living on an army air base where soldiers and their new boomer families were forced to live cause there just wasn't enough housing. Try and imagine this.... A United States with no leftards. Got that? I mean NO lefties like we got today. EVERYBODY in this country had just spent years of their lives, and the lives of their family and friends, literally, not virtually, but litterally, hundreds of thousands of your friends and family died in the fight for the freedom of the rest of the world.

This is very clear to me, even all these years later. A leftard of today would have been, and I'm sure the few that voiced their opinions, were beaten senseless or simply disappeared. People were never seen again, the story was, "Oh, he moved to texas, got a good job" or some such. How would anyone know? No one had a cell phone, no one searched very hard. No internet, e-mail, no nothing.

So, liberals, especially the mad rabid tards we see today, ARE hard communists who think they are good Americans, and they are so wrong. They don't know what an American is.

This is what I am and I will NEVER change

Yes.... five miles, in the snow, every morning. Uphill both ways. Gotcha.

 

[Mac1958]

Worse, it's a self-inflicted wound. No one is forcing us to behave this way.

Ego and tribalism.
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Ignorant asshole.

You may not know this, you socialist ass, but this country is actually supposed to be and always has been divided.

The ACTUAL PROBLEM is we have not had ANY true OPPOSITION PARTY in over 30 years. Only check pants republicans who mostly assumed their position as punching bags. While our stupid heads are shifting left and right, they were always in locked rooms passing around the loot to special interests.

You idiots don't get it. Never did, never will.

The moronic public who think peace, and love and holding hands is the way it is supposed to be, get a clue.

Know this. When both sides are in unison and "bipartisanship" is the reality, we the people are getting screwed.

Okay, Rambo, I'm sure you're right.
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[CrusaderFrank]

How many stars in the American flag?

Fifty, you say? I'm not sure. If there were fifty, then citizens of liberal states and conservative states would join in common purpose on the blue field which is, after all, called, "the union."

Instead, it seems, we are recklessly tugging at the thread that holds us together. Today, liberals and conservatives barricade themselves in digital citadels where some media, with calculated bias, assure their viewers that what they already believe is correct. If we wall ourselves in castles of confirming information, I fear a new Cold War. This time, a cold civil war.

Given this danger, why do both parties promote almost nothing but divisive scandals? Because it is so much easier than health insurance or immigration reform. Taking on actual challenges would require work, and listening, and thought, and union.

"Divided, we stand"? Scott Pelley on our American flag, and our common purpose - CBS News

The last Administration wanted to "fundamentally transform" America, let's start with that hmmmkay?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How many stars in the American flag?

Fifty, you say? I'm not sure. If there were fifty, then citizens of liberal states and conservative states would join in common purpose on the blue field which is, after all, called, "the union."

Instead, it seems, we are recklessly tugging at the thread that holds us together. Today, liberals and conservatives barricade themselves in digital citadels where some media, with calculated bias, assure their viewers that what they already believe is correct. If we wall ourselves in castles of confirming information, I fear a new Cold War. This time, a cold civil war.

Given this danger, why do both parties promote almost nothing but divisive scandals? Because it is so much easier than health insurance or immigration reform. Taking on actual challenges would require work, and listening, and thought, and union.

"Divided, we stand"? Scott Pelley on our American flag, and our common purpose - CBS News

Nice sentiment, but either Pelley is dense as hell, or simply does not understand the nature of those who covet power for its own sake.

One does not normally unite with an enemy striving to fundamentally change the country into a model that has failed wherever forced.

The Democratic Party is no longer American, and must be driven from political authority.

There are 34 other political parties out there. It's not as if they are not expendable.

You might not know it bk but Putin is the real head of your party

Show us on the doll where Putin touched you to make you change your vote

 

[dblack]

How many stars in the American flag?

Fifty, you say? I'm not sure. If there were fifty, then citizens of liberal states and conservative states would join in common purpose on the blue field which is, after all, called, "the union."

Instead, it seems, we are recklessly tugging at the thread that holds us together. Today, liberals and conservatives barricade themselves in digital citadels where some media, with calculated bias, assure their viewers that what they already believe is correct. If we wall ourselves in castles of confirming information, I fear a new Cold War. This time, a cold civil war.

Given this danger, why do both parties promote almost nothing but divisive scandals? Because it is so much easier than health insurance or immigration reform. Taking on actual challenges would require work, and listening, and thought, and union.

"Divided, we stand"? Scott Pelley on our American flag, and our common purpose - CBS News

Nice sentiment, but either Pelley is dense as hell, or simply does not understand the nature of those who covet power for its own sake.

One does not normally unite with an enemy striving to fundamentally change the country into a model that has failed wherever forced.

The Democratic Party is no longer American, and must be driven from political authority.

There are 34 other political parties out there. It's not as if they are not expendable.

You might not know it bk but Putin is the real head of your party

Show us on the doll where Putin touched you to make you change your vote

The Russian thing is easier than admitting they've lost touch with American voters.

 

[Correll]

How many stars in the American flag?

Fifty, you say? I'm not sure. If there were fifty, then citizens of liberal states and conservative states would join in common purpose on the blue field which is, after all, called, "the union."

Instead, it seems, we are recklessly tugging at the thread that holds us together. Today, liberals and conservatives barricade themselves in digital citadels where some media, with calculated bias, assure their viewers that what they already believe is correct. If we wall ourselves in castles of confirming information, I fear a new Cold War. This time, a cold civil war.

Given this danger, why do both parties promote almost nothing but divisive scandals? Because it is so much easier than health insurance or immigration reform. Taking on actual challenges would require work, and listening, and thought, and union.

"Divided, we stand"? Scott Pelley on our American flag, and our common purpose - CBS News

Are you prepared to grant that those who oppose you politically, might be motivated by a valid difference of opinion, instead of EVULNESS?

 

[McRocket]

How many stars in the American flag?

Fifty, you say? I'm not sure. If there were fifty, then citizens of liberal states and conservative states would join in common purpose on the blue field which is, after all, called, "the union."

Instead, it seems, we are recklessly tugging at the thread that holds us together. Today, liberals and conservatives barricade themselves in digital citadels where some media, with calculated bias, assure their viewers that what they already believe is correct. If we wall ourselves in castles of confirming information, I fear a new Cold War. This time, a cold civil war.

Given this danger, why do both parties promote almost nothing but divisive scandals? Because it is so much easier than health insurance or immigration reform. Taking on actual challenges would require work, and listening, and thought, and union.

"Divided, we stand"? Scott Pelley on our American flag, and our common purpose - CBS News

Basically true but over-dramatic.

Jeez...everyone goes through phases, even countries.

And look around America - nationalism and extremism are on the rise in most of the West (especially Europe).

And there are set, logical reasons for it. Human DNA didn't suddenly just go all wonky.

And there are set, logical reasons why it will almost certainly (though not 100% certainly), eventually will pass. And humanity might even end up better for it in the end.

My major concern is how much 'damage' will there be before western humanity comes out the other side?

I just wish people would spend more time analyzing the reasons (which, again, should be relatively obvious to most, IMO - free market destruction/wealth inequality acceleration via government/central bank wealth protection/market domination in almost every major economic power and post-9/11, Western MASSIVE/cowardly overreaction to terrorism) with an open mind and less time over-dramatizing everything.

Okay, America/Europe are having problems right well. Well duh...this started years ago. Now, how to fix/mitigate the problems...not just endlessly describing them.

 

[dblack]

How many stars in the American flag?

Fifty, you say? I'm not sure. If there were fifty, then citizens of liberal states and conservative states would join in common purpose on the blue field which is, after all, called, "the union."

Instead, it seems, we are recklessly tugging at the thread that holds us together. Today, liberals and conservatives barricade themselves in digital citadels where some media, with calculated bias, assure their viewers that what they already believe is correct. If we wall ourselves in castles of confirming information, I fear a new Cold War. This time, a cold civil war.

Given this danger, why do both parties promote almost nothing but divisive scandals? Because it is so much easier than health insurance or immigration reform. Taking on actual challenges would require work, and listening, and thought, and union.

"Divided, we stand"? Scott Pelley on our American flag, and our common purpose - CBS News

Are you prepared to grant that those who oppose you politically, might be motivated by a valid difference of opinion, instead of EVULNESS?

That's CRAZY TALK!

 

[Correll]

Worse, it's a self-inflicted wound. No one is forcing us to behave this way.

Ego and tribalism.
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Are you willing to grant that those that oppose you politically might do so because of a valid difference of opinion?

 

[dblack]

My major concern is how much 'damage' will there be before western humanity comes out the other side?

Ayup.