Disgusted With Conservatism, America Was Born Liberal.

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  1. AVG-JOE
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    Disgusted with conservatism, America was born liberal.

    Amazing what one can learn from a history book... check out what it was to be 'liberal' in the worlds power base, Europe, during our first 75 years as a nation.

    Sign me up...


    Their chief opponents were the vested interests of traditional society; the aristocracy, the clergy, and the military, seeking to retain their favored positions. The peasantry was still generally conservative, strongly influenced by the clergy and sometimes by the aristocracy, and not very active in politics.

    The more things change, the more they remain, eh?

    -Joe
     
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    Also:

    "Liberals and Libertarians: Kissing Cousins or Distant Relatives?"

    That question was debated at a January 13 event sponsored by Stanford University's Program in Ethics in Society and the Cato Institute. Boston Review co-editor Joshua Cohen gave these comments.

    In his book Political Liberalism, John Rawls offers a general description of a liberal political outlook. He intends the description to cover views ranging from the classical liberalism of Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman, arguably in the tradition of Locke and Adam Smith, to the more egalitarian liberalism of his own Theory of Justice. Rawls writes, "the content of a liberal political conception of justice is given by three main features:

    1. a specification of basic rights, liberties and opportunities (of a kind familiar from constitutional democratic regimes);

    2. an assignment of special priority to those rights, liberties and opportunities, especially with respect of claims of the general good and perfectionist values; and

    3. measures assuring to all citizens adequate all-purpose means to make effective use of their liberties and opportunities.

    These [three] elements can be understood in different ways, so that there are many variant liberalisms."

    http://bostonreview.net/BRwebonly/cohen2.php
     
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    I thought liberals were a bunch of pinko commies!!

    Get me gun, Ma!! Yargh!!
     
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    I thought conservatives wanted smaller, restricted government and individual freedom of destiny...

    It's amazing the fallacies that can be created in our own minds - (insert your favored Deity here) bless education, eh brother?

    -Joe
     
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    today's "liberals" are about as far away ideologically from Jefferson as Gandhi was from Hitler.

    Classical liberalism is not what is running rampant in Washington right now.

    What Is Classical*Liberalism?

    In short "liberals" of today believe that they should be able to do anything they want with your money but they will allow you to be free to complain about your diminishing economic freedom. After all freedom of speech is a right but economic freedom is a privilege that you don't deserve.
     
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    Sadly, you are right. Both of our mainstream political parties are way to fucking conservative... Fortunately, the voters are becoming educated and education is fomenting true liberalism. The light is being shined on conservative (status quo) thinking.

    I will be tracking the progress of the Libertarians very closely during the next few elections.

    -Joe
     
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    18th century liberalism was in reaction to the dying system of feudal monarchism.

    Neither team, regardless if they call themselves liberals or conservatives, opposes the centralization of power which the 18th century liberals sought to eliminate.

    Oh, they both talk a good game, but their actions speak louder than their words.

    We are basically a nation controlled by an elite group who have reconstituted a system that is leading us back to a feudal system, folks.

    Our leaders won't call themselves kings, of course, but their power will be no less absolute.

    And since both parties reputing to be either conservative or liberal are working toward that end, I have absolutely no reason to think that liberalism or conservatism is really what this nation is all about.

    Sooner or later most of you will wake up.

    Sooner or later most of you will realize that liberal and conservative are meaningless terms when it comes to describing the real game our masters are playing on us.

    MostAmericans already sense this, I think.

    This board is not reflective of the gestalt of the American people, that's for damned sure.
     
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    "Liberals were sometimes contemptuous of the propertyless masses below, forming alliances with them only so far as necessary. Middle-class liberals’ contempt for those below them was often a mask for fear; their contempt of the aristocrats above them was tinged with envy.
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    seems nothing has changed
     
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