Disabled person in real need

[JoeB131]

Congrats, Caveman, you've found the same tired anti-NHS argument that your side always brings up when someone suggests having 50 million uninsured is an awful idea.

Fact is, the UK has a longer life expectency, lower infant mortality rate and spends less per person than we do.

 

[daveman]

Congrats, Caveman, you've found the same tired anti-NHS argument that your side always brings up when someone suggests having 50 million uninsured is an awful idea.

Fact is, the UK has a longer life expectency, lower infant mortality rate and spends less per person than we do.

They're spending less per person because they're killing more of them.

Not that you give a damn about human life. You're a leftist.

 

[auditor0007]

Congrats, Caveman, you've found the same tired anti-NHS argument that your side always brings up when someone suggests having 50 million uninsured is an awful idea.

Fact is, the UK has a longer life expectency, lower infant mortality rate and spends less per person than we do.

They're spending less per person because they're killing more of them.

Not that you give a damn about human life. You're a leftist.

Wrong, and major fail.

 

[JoeB131]

Congrats, Caveman, you've found the same tired anti-NHS argument that your side always brings up when someone suggests having 50 million uninsured is an awful idea.

Fact is, the UK has a longer life expectency, lower infant mortality rate and spends less per person than we do.

They're spending less per person because they're killing more of them.

Not that you give a damn about human life. You're a leftist.

46 million Americans didn't have insurance before ObamaCare and 25 million had inadequate insurance. And the results are obvious.

Spending per person by country-

US- 4,271
UK- 1,675

Spending per person statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

Now, you'd think we'd be getting better results, but not really.

Life expectency by country

US- 77
UK- 79


Life Expectancy At Birth, Years total population statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Health

Hey, how about Infant Mortality.

Infant Mortality: U.S. Ranks 29th

US- 6.9
UK- 5.0

Now, weren't you the one whining about anecdotal evidence a while back. Or was that just you in another thread?

 

[daveman]

Congrats, Caveman, you've found the same tired anti-NHS argument that your side always brings up when someone suggests having 50 million uninsured is an awful idea.

Fact is, the UK has a longer life expectency, lower infant mortality rate and spends less per person than we do.

They're spending less per person because they're killing more of them.

Not that you give a damn about human life. You're a leftist.

46 million Americans didn't have insurance before ObamaCare and 25 million had inadequate insurance. And the results are obvious.

Spending per person by country-

US- 4,271
UK- 1,675

Spending per person statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

Now, you'd think we'd be getting better results, but not really.

Life expectency by country

US- 77
UK- 79


Life Expectancy At Birth, Years total population statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Health

Hey, how about Infant Mortality.

Infant Mortality: U.S. Ranks 29th

US- 6.9
UK- 5.0

Now, weren't you the one whining about anecdotal evidence a while back. Or was that just you in another thread?

Thank you for highlighting yet another failure of Obamacare.

Millions more people are covered, yet the number of health care providers is the same.

What happens to the quality of care?

 

[del]

The services needed by those in need are better delivered locally. It's not the remit of the federal government, nor are is the federal government competent to deliver cost effective, targeted, services. Put the issue on the shoulders of the states, not the idiots in DC.

The only difference is that you'd shift the burden to state government, instead of the federal government. It's still "government assistance," you know. I guess it's not a case of government having no role to play...it's just WHICH government, right?

And, a lot of the states are strapped for cash. Where's the money going to come from?

But, if each state is responsible, then the people of each state can decide for themselves. I have no issue with 'government assistance' as long as it's the choice of those paying for it, not some jackshit wasteful federal government bullshit. These people couldn't organize a 'piss up in a brewery', so why the fuck do people think they are capable of controlling costs in federal programs? History shows us that they can't.

yes, because state bureaucrats are ever so much more efficient.

you must have brown eyes, sandi

 

[del]

Well I'll be DAMNED! Very real, very serious problems for those in need CAN be solved without any intervention by government whatsoever. Who knew?!?!

It's astounding how quickly every talking point and ideological belief by the left is just completely crumbling beneath them...

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Some person helps another person ergo government charity isn't necessary?

Honestly, Rott are you as retarded as your post here suggests you are?

yes, he is, and he's got california girl to keep him company over there on the far left edge of the bell curve.

 

[uscitizen]

They're spending less per person because they're killing more of them.

Not that you give a damn about human life. You're a leftist.

46 million Americans didn't have insurance before ObamaCare and 25 million had inadequate insurance. And the results are obvious.

Spending per person by country-

US- 4,271
UK- 1,675

Spending per person statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

Now, you'd think we'd be getting better results, but not really.

Life expectency by country

US- 77
UK- 79


Life Expectancy At Birth, Years total population statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Health

Hey, how about Infant Mortality.

Infant Mortality: U.S. Ranks 29th

US- 6.9
UK- 5.0

Now, weren't you the one whining about anecdotal evidence a while back. Or was that just you in another thread?

Thank you for highlighting yet another failure of Obamacare.

Millions more people are covered, yet the number of health care providers is the same.

What happens to the quality of care?

Just like every other business has been donig for decades, they whill have to increase productivity.

 

[daveman]

46 million Americans didn't have insurance before ObamaCare and 25 million had inadequate insurance. And the results are obvious.

Spending per person by country-

US- 4,271
UK- 1,675

Spending per person statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

Now, you'd think we'd be getting better results, but not really.

Life expectency by country

US- 77
UK- 79


Life Expectancy At Birth, Years total population statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Health

Hey, how about Infant Mortality.

Infant Mortality: U.S. Ranks 29th

US- 6.9
UK- 5.0

Now, weren't you the one whining about anecdotal evidence a while back. Or was that just you in another thread?

Thank you for highlighting yet another failure of Obamacare.

Millions more people are covered, yet the number of health care providers is the same.

What happens to the quality of care?

Just like every other business has been donig for decades, they whill have to increase productivity.

Are you going to mandate that by threat of government force? If not, then providers aren't going to see any more patients than they are now.

 

[Politico]

Comparing a country with 320 million to one with 62. Alrighty then.

 

[JoeB131]

They're spending less per person because they're killing more of them.

Not that you give a damn about human life. You're a leftist.

46 million Americans didn't have insurance before ObamaCare and 25 million had inadequate insurance. And the results are obvious.

Spending per person by country-

US- 4,271
UK- 1,675

Spending per person statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

Now, you'd think we'd be getting better results, but not really.

Life expectency by country

US- 77
UK- 79


Life Expectancy At Birth, Years total population statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Health

Hey, how about Infant Mortality.

Infant Mortality: U.S. Ranks 29th

US- 6.9
UK- 5.0

Now, weren't you the one whining about anecdotal evidence a while back. Or was that just you in another thread?

Thank you for highlighting yet another failure of Obamacare.

Millions more people are covered, yet the number of health care providers is the same.

What happens to the quality of care?

So first, let's point out, you didn't actually address my point. Folks in the UK spend less per person, but live longer and less of their babies die.

So now your point is that somehow, Obamacare is causing a problem because you might have to share yoru doctor with a poor person (Perish the thought) and you won't get your doctor's full attention.

That works on the assumption that 1) you won't have more doctors and health care providers if everyone is covered (it would probably grow) and 2) They couldn't adapt to the problem.

Fact is, the countries with "socialized medicine" have enough HCP to handle everyone, and their ratio of doctors to patients is about the same as ours.

But let's look at the heartlessness of your statement here. Is your real complaint that you won't get enough attention because some poor person is now getting some, too?

If anything, universal health care would make our system more flexible. You know, poor people seeing general practitioners instead of flooding emergency rooms, to start with. That would be a fantastic savings.

 

[JoeB131]

Thank you for highlighting yet another failure of Obamacare.

Millions more people are covered, yet the number of health care providers is the same.

What happens to the quality of care?

Just like every other business has been donig for decades, they whill have to increase productivity.

Are you going to mandate that by threat of government force? If not, then providers aren't going to see any more patients than they are now.

You mean they are going to ignore their Hippocratic Oaths AND refuse money?

Really?

More likely, they'll hire more RN's and PA's to handle the non-critical stuff.

 

[JoeB131]

Comparing a country with 320 million to one with 62. Alrighty then.

The figures cover statistical/per captia numbers.

But if you want to go there, can you name an industrialized country that has a lower life expectency or higher infant mortality rate than we do?

If you want to argue the "statistical vairance" argument, then simple math would dictate that some samples would be lower.

Unless what the rest of them are doing is quantitatively better.

Before ObamaCare, we had 50 million without insurance and 25 million with inadequate insurance. that's really one out of four. That's people who don't see a doctor unless a problem gets really bad. And some of those people die... which is what brings down our numbers compare to those countries that treat everyone.

 

[daveman]

46 million Americans didn't have insurance before ObamaCare and 25 million had inadequate insurance. And the results are obvious.

Spending per person by country-

US- 4,271
UK- 1,675

Spending per person statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

Now, you'd think we'd be getting better results, but not really.

Life expectency by country

US- 77
UK- 79


Life Expectancy At Birth, Years total population statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Health

Hey, how about Infant Mortality.

Infant Mortality: U.S. Ranks 29th

US- 6.9
UK- 5.0

Now, weren't you the one whining about anecdotal evidence a while back. Or was that just you in another thread?

Thank you for highlighting yet another failure of Obamacare.

Millions more people are covered, yet the number of health care providers is the same.

What happens to the quality of care?

So first, let's point out, you didn't actually address my point. Folks in the UK spend less per person, but live longer and less of their babies die.

So now your point is that somehow, Obamacare is causing a problem because you might have to share yoru doctor with a poor person (Perish the thought) and you won't get your doctor's full attention.

That works on the assumption that 1) you won't have more doctors and health care providers if everyone is covered (it would probably grow) and 2) They couldn't adapt to the problem.

Fact is, the countries with "socialized medicine" have enough HCP to handle everyone, and their ratio of doctors to patients is about the same as ours.

But let's look at the heartlessness of your statement here. Is your real complaint that you won't get enough attention because some poor person is now getting some, too?

If anything, universal health care would make our system more flexible. You know, poor people seeing general practitioners instead of flooding emergency rooms, to start with. That would be a fantastic savings.

So all you have is wishful thinking and unicorn farts.

Typical leftist. Only a nodding acquaintance with reality.

 

[daveman]

Just like every other business has been donig for decades, they whill have to increase productivity.

Are you going to mandate that by threat of government force? If not, then providers aren't going to see any more patients than they are now.

You mean they are going to ignore their Hippocratic Oaths AND refuse money?

Really?

More likely, they'll hire more RN's and PA's to handle the non-critical stuff.

You know there's only so many hours in the day, right? There are only so many exam rooms in each doctor's office.

Obamacare doesn't change that.

 

[JoeB131]

So all you have is wishful thinking and unicorn farts.

Typical leftist. Only a nodding acquaintance with reality.

I noticed you dodged the question again.

Okay, now that you've conceded that the British live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate, even with socialized medicine, your complaint now is that your doctor won't listen to you whine about your old person ailments because they are paying attention to a poor person with a real serious medical condition...

Is that it? Is that what the "Conservative" movement has been reduced to? "I've got mine, screw you?"

 

[JoeB131]

You know there's only so many hours in the day, right? There are only so many exam rooms in each doctor's office.

Obamacare doesn't change that.

I don't know. When I started working at my company, we had a Operations Manager, a Materials Manager, a Production Sceduler and 8 buyers.

Thanks to various kinds of streamlining we've done, we are still doing just as much volume with those first three positions consolidated into one and having 4 buyers instead of 8.

The notion that the medical operation can't find efficiencies is laughable. Every other industry has had to in the last five years.

What we need to get rid of in the medical industry is a lot of what we call muda in manufacturing (Japanese for waste). Redundant testing, redundant record keeping, and so on.

My doctor has three health care providers and three people who are responsible for doing paperwork. That's just whack.

 

[P@triot]

You know there's only so many hours in the day, right? There are only so many exam rooms in each doctor's office.

Obamacare doesn't change that.

I don't know. When I started working at my company, we had a Operations Manager, a Materials Manager, a Production Sceduler and 8 buyers.

Thanks to various kinds of streamlining we've done, we are still doing just as much volume with those first three positions consolidated into one and having 4 buyers instead of 8.

The notion that the medical operation can't find efficiencies is laughable. Every other industry has had to in the last five years.

What we need to get rid of in the medical industry is a lot of what we call muda in manufacturing (Japanese for waste). Redundant testing, redundant record keeping, and so on.

My doctor has three health care providers and three people who are responsible for doing paperwork. That's just whack.

You can't spell as well as the average 6 year old, but you're going to tell physician's how the medical field should be run? God, you are as arrogant as you are ignorant...

 

[JoeB131]

You can't spell as well as the average 6 year old, but you're going to tell physician's how the medical field should be run? God, you are as arrogant as you are ignorant...

Big Fonts and Spelling Nazi...

You are hitting all the "I've got butthurt from losing arguments" memes today, guy.

 

[daveman]

So all you have is wishful thinking and unicorn farts.

Typical leftist. Only a nodding acquaintance with reality.

I noticed you dodged the question again.

Okay, now that you've conceded that the British live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate, even with socialized medicine, your complaint now is that your doctor won't listen to you whine about your old person ailments because they are paying attention to a poor person with a real serious medical condition...

Is that it? Is that what the "Conservative" movement has been reduced to? "I've got mine, screw you?"

When you dismiss the very real horror stories coming from Britain about the NHS as "propaganda", you have no credibility crowing about their achievements.

But you might get lucky. Obamacare might cover your chronic headuptheass as a pre-existing condition.