Dinosaurs & Diamonds

[Old Rocks]

You can find many more articles from peer reviewed scientific journals at this site.

AGW Observer

Real articles by real scientists, not flap yaps by people that have never even seen a science text.

 

[Flanders]

ClimateDepot.com is the website of Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow employee Marc Morano, a conservative global warming denier who previously served as environmental communications director for a vocal political denier of climate change, Republican Sen. James Inhofe. Launched in spring 2009, Climate Depot claimed it would be "the Senate EPW website on steroids," and "the most comprehensive information center on climate news and the related issues of environment and energy."[1

To Old Rocks: All positives.

 

[tjvh]

You can find many more articles from peer reviewed scientific journals at this site.

AGW Observer

Real articles by real scientists, not flap yaps by people that have never even seen a science text.

Like this one? Former “alarmist” scientist says Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) based in false science « Hot Air

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You can find many more articles from peer reviewed scientific journals at this site.

AGW Observer

Real articles by real scientists, not flap yaps by people that have never even seen a science text.

Like this one? Former “alarmist” scientist says Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) based in false science « Hot Air

"We're ready to believe you" -- motto shared by Ghostbusters and the Warmers

 

[westwall]

You can find many more articles from peer reviewed scientific journals at this site.

AGW Observer

Real articles by real scientists, not flap yaps by people that have never even seen a science text.

These are the same peer reviewed "papers" that were reviewed by wives and friends just like that polar bear "study" right? AGW cultists have so perverted the peer review process as to render it meaningless in the field of climatology. Great job on that. Those assholes have set science back decades because of their perfidy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How did abiotic oil cause OR to morph into AGW Guy?

 

[Old Rocks]

You can find many more articles from peer reviewed scientific journals at this site.

AGW Observer

Real articles by real scientists, not flap yaps by people that have never even seen a science text.

These are the same peer reviewed "papers" that were reviewed by wives and friends just like that polar bear "study" right? AGW cultists have so perverted the peer review process as to render it meaningless in the field of climatology. Great job on that. Those assholes have set science back decades because of their perfidy.

Real scientists, with real evidence. Not a pretender on the internet.

Citation: Trenberth, K. E., and J. T. Fasullo (2012), Climate extremes and climate change: The Russian heat wave and other climate extremes of 2010, J. Geophys. Res., 117, D17103, doi:10.1029/2012JD018020.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You can find many more articles from peer reviewed scientific journals at this site.

AGW Observer

Real articles by real scientists, not flap yaps by people that have never even seen a science text.

These are the same peer reviewed "papers" that were reviewed by wives and friends just like that polar bear "study" right? AGW cultists have so perverted the peer review process as to render it meaningless in the field of climatology. Great job on that. Those assholes have set science back decades because of their perfidy.

Real scientists, with real evidence. Not a pretender on the internet.

Citation: Trenberth, K. E., and J. T. Fasullo (2012), Climate extremes and climate change: The Russian heat wave and other climate extremes of 2010, J. Geophys. Res., 117, D17103, doi:10.1029/2012JD018020.

"I'm a scientist. Really."

 

[mamooth]

First, petroleum comes from algae, not land plants or dinosaurs. It's coal that comes from land plants.

We know this beyond any shadow of a doubt, being that some of the same chemical markers are present in both algae and petroleum. The abiotic oil theory fails totally in explaining why such chemical markers are in both algae and petroleum.

Abiotic oil is a crank theory. Many have looked hard for it, and found nothing more than a bare trace of it. Proclaiming that the earth has a near infinite supply of it is contracted by reality, where no one has been able to find any trace of such an infinite supply. The only people you find pushing such an crazy theory are the same effin' retards who deny global warming. Abiotic oil is a political cult belief, just like AGW denialism is.

 

[westwall]

You can find many more articles from peer reviewed scientific journals at this site.

AGW Observer

Real articles by real scientists, not flap yaps by people that have never even seen a science text.

These are the same peer reviewed "papers" that were reviewed by wives and friends just like that polar bear "study" right? AGW cultists have so perverted the peer review process as to render it meaningless in the field of climatology. Great job on that. Those assholes have set science back decades because of their perfidy.

Real scientists, with real evidence. Not a pretender on the internet.

Citation: Trenberth, K. E., and J. T. Fasullo (2012), Climate extremes and climate change: The Russian heat wave and other climate extremes of 2010, J. Geophys. Res., 117, D17103, doi:10.1029/2012JD018020.

Trenberth? TRENBERTH? TRENBERTH?

 

[westwall]

First, petroleum comes from algae, not land plants or dinosaurs. It's coal that comes from land plants.

We know this beyond any shadow of a doubt, being that some of the same chemical markers are present in both algae and petroleum. The abiotic oil theory fails totally in explaining why such chemical markers are in both algae and petroleum.

Abiotic oil is a crank theory. Many have looked hard for it, and found nothing more than a bare trace of it. Proclaiming that the earth has a near infinite supply of it is contracted by reality, where no one has been able to find any trace of such an infinite supply. The only people you find pushing such an crazy theory are the same effin' retards who deny global warming. Abiotic oil is a political cult belief, just like AGW denialism is.

Prove it. The current theories on oil production don't explain a great deal about how and where oil is found. Gold actually drilled a hole in the middle of a coninental craton into pure igneous rock and found trace amounts of oil where the current theory of oil production said none would be found.

Score.......Gold 1, Abiotic Deniers 0

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, they found 'traces' of oil in a deep hole in the craton. Now let's examine that in the context of what an craton it. It is the central, original, continental silicate rock that originally differatiated from the more basic rock that makes up most of the Earth's crust. The cratons have been there a long time, billions of years, and have undergone many rounds of the Wilsonian Cycle of the aggregation and breakup of the continents. So they have many, many fault systems, old and young, in them.

Now, if the Gold Hypothesis were real, wouldn't at least some of these faults be filled with oil? But they are not. And we find oil associated with ocean basin deposits. So much so that they use fossils recovered when drilling to tell them if they are in the right kind of formations.

USING MICROFOSSILS IN PETROLEUM EXPLORATION

WHEN I meet new people and they find out that I'm a paleontologist working for an oil company, the second question they ask (after "What is a paleontologist?") is usually "Why would an oil company hire one?" Most people think of dinosaurs when they think of paleontology, or at the very least trilobites and other invertebrate fossils. However, most of the rock samples available to those engaged in finding and developing hydrocarbon resources are in the form of "cuttings." Cuttings (Baker, 1979) are the small pieces of rock broken up by the drill bit and brought to the surface by the fluid which lubricates the drill bit and removes the cut rock from the bottom of the drill hole. If the bit encounters dinosaur bones or clam shells, they are so broken up in the process as to be almost unusable. Microfossils on the other hand, by virtue of their small size, can be recovered whole. Microfossils also happen to be abundant, especially in marine rocks which are the most common form of sedimentary rock in the crust of the Earth.
Microfossils have many applications to petroleum geology (Fleisher and Lane, in press, Ventress, 1991, LeRoy, 1977). The two most common uses are: biostratigraphy and paleoenvironmental analyses. Biostratigraphy is the differentiation of rock units based upon the fossils which they contain. Paleoenvironmental analysis is the interpretation of the depositional environment in which the rock unit formed, based upon the fossils found within the unit. There are many other uses of fossils besides these, including: paleoclimatology, biogeography, and thermal maturation.


Of course, this is just a real geologist speaking, not an internet possier.

 

[mamooth]

Gold actually drilled a hole in the middle of a coninental craton into pure igneous rock and found trace amounts of oil where the current theory of oil production said none would be found.

No one ever denied that traces of abiotic oil would exist, so you're attacking a strawman.

Many decades of oil exploration have found no significant amounts of abiotic oil anywhere. The "infinite abiotic oil" theory has no real-world evidence to back it up, so the burden of proof is on its backers to come up with such evidence. As in actual significant quantities of abiotic oil.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The US Space program has made a total mockery of the notion of "Fossil fuels"

Here's a photo where the blue areas are lakes of liquid "Fossil fuels". This is on Saturn's Moon Titan, 300 below zero, no pressure cooked velicoraptors either. It's abiotic, it's a natural byproduct of planetary geology and chemistry...just like here on Earth.

Q: Are these "fossil fuels" still on Titan
A: yup
Q: Is there any algae there
A: Nope
Q: Any velicoraptors
A: Nope
Q: Then how did these fossil fuels get on Titan?
A: They don't come from fossil! Doh! It's 300 below 0 there, they can only be abiotic
Q: Denier!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Gold actually drilled a hole in the middle of a coninental craton into pure igneous rock and found trace amounts of oil where the current theory of oil production said none would be found.

No one ever denied that traces of abiotic oil would exist, so you're attacking a strawman.

Many decades of oil exploration have found no significant amounts of abiotic oil anywhere. The "infinite abiotic oil" theory has no real-world evidence to back it up, so the burden of proof is on its backers to come up with such evidence. As in actual significant quantities of abiotic oil.

real world evidence of abiotic hydrocarbons (aka: Fossil fuels) in massive quantities

 

[konradv]

Gold actually drilled a hole in the middle of a coninental craton into pure igneous rock and found trace amounts of oil where the current theory of oil production said none would be found.

No one ever denied that traces of abiotic oil would exist, so you're attacking a strawman.

Many decades of oil exploration have found no significant amounts of abiotic oil anywhere. The "infinite abiotic oil" theory has no real-world evidence to back it up, so the burden of proof is on its backers to come up with such evidence. As in actual significant quantities of abiotic oil.

real world evidence of abiotic hydrocarbons (aka: Fossil fuels) in massive quantities

What's found on on other bodies in the solar system is in no way the same thing as oil found on Earth. It's mostly methane accumulated when they formed. Earthly fossil fuels are a complex mixture of many hydrocarbons, not just methane.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No one ever denied that traces of abiotic oil would exist, so you're attacking a strawman.

Many decades of oil exploration have found no significant amounts of abiotic oil anywhere. The "infinite abiotic oil" theory has no real-world evidence to back it up, so the burden of proof is on its backers to come up with such evidence. As in actual significant quantities of abiotic oil.

real world evidence of abiotic hydrocarbons (aka: Fossil fuels) in massive quantities

What's found on on other bodies in the solar system is in no way the same thing as oil found on Earth. It's mostly methane accumulated when they formed. Earthly fossil fuels are a complex mixture of many hydrocarbons, not just methane.

Earth hydrocarbons are different? Seriously?

What makes Earth based Methane, butane, Ethane and octane different, do they have a velicoraptor molecule attached to them?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"In my opinion, there are some questions that the biotic sources of fossil fuel do not address adequately. A couple of examples: Why is helium found almost exclusively in natural gas deposits? Why are metals such as vanadium and manganese found abundantly in natural gas deposits? If decayed vegetable matter (containing chlorophyll) is the source of fossil fuels, there should be large amounts of magnesium. But there does not appear to be such an excess."

Fossil Fuels and Primordial Methane

Denier!

 

[konradv]

real world evidence of abiotic hydrocarbons (aka: Fossil fuels) in massive quantities

What's found on on other bodies in the solar system is in no way the same thing as oil found on Earth. It's mostly methane accumulated when they formed. Earthly fossil fuels are a complex mixture of many hydrocarbons, not just methane.

Earth hydrocarbons are different? Seriously?

What makes Earth based Methane, butane, Ethane and octane different, do they have a velicoraptor molecule attached to them?

Where's the non-earthly butane, ethane and octane? Have little green men been drilling for it?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What's found on on other bodies in the solar system is in no way the same thing as oil found on Earth. It's mostly methane accumulated when they formed. Earthly fossil fuels are a complex mixture of many hydrocarbons, not just methane.

Earth hydrocarbons are different? Seriously?

What makes Earth based Methane, butane, Ethane and octane different, do they have a velicoraptor molecule attached to them?

Where's the non-earthly butane, ethane and octane? Have little green men been drilling for it?

Um, see the blue lakes on Titan I keep referring to?

They're not methane.